The danger of democracy is that it might elect a treasonous bitch who would start World War III on purpose and sell her country to foreigners.
The real reason the banks supported Hillary and not Trump is that Hillary like Obama will bail out the Banks when the world economy blows up. They're scared of Trump because he may actually say no to them. Cook falls in the same club as Bush I&II, Clinton, and Obama as supporters of the new world order. Modern day progressive accept Globalism in return for acceptance of social liberalism but not economic liberalism that would include trade protectionism. This is the true reason why the elitist media is parroting the lines of the global corporatists on fair labor issues like immigration (including H1B visas) and the border wall.
How fascinating. Cook has 1 vote. There are about 100 million voters who vote. So there are 99,999,999 voters who aren't Tim Cook. We need to focus hard on what matters to those 99,999,999 voters.
It might be more intelligent for Tim Cook to remain absolutely silent on political issues.
Your attitude is what promulgates the autocratic tendencies of the elites. The electorate is ignorant and uncommitted... that is, unfit to govern themselves. You elites alone are able to govern, pat the peasants on the head, and promise them you will take care of them. But then your ilk has been promising that stuff for millennia. Never happens. Well, as one liberal news commentator admitted, the ‘ignorant and uncommitted’ electorate has tossed a stick of dynamite into Washington with the fuse already lit and a message attached that reads “Fuck Off!'
The job is not even 10% done. Until 'the will of the people' means just that there is work to do. There are members of the congress and senate that are bought and paid for by big business. The same goes for the states and even down to city and town councils. Until the whole electorial system is changes to stop the 'you fund my campagn' and 'I will force through a bill to enable your new plant that will pollute the river' or similar. The amount of money spent on elections is more than the GDP of some countries. This is clearly unsustainable. Then there are the crazy laws that have been enacted for the benefit of certain busineses. Want to go 'off grid' in Florida? Go to jail, do not pass go. You can't do it legally. Why? Big business. "We the people" has to mean something. It is up to the people to make it mean what the people who wrote the constitution meant it to be.
I see the benefits of globalisation but can't support Cook on it. It creates greater potential for negative global consequences, things in our arrogance we assume won't happen. Even the shipping of bees around the US to pollinate crops makes me nervous—that seems like a disaster waiting to happen (why not develop a sustainable crop variety to encourage bee population year round?). Also, through globalisation there is a reduction in the uniqueness of different cultures, and I think it's arrogant to assume those losses are inconsequential.
There are also consequences of non-globalization, as we see with the slowly sinking ship of the British economy.
And there are even dangers in democracy, if the electorate is ignorant and uncommitted to the principles of that form of government, as we saw in Egypt and other Arab Spring disasters, and we may be seeing in the US right now.
Your attitude is what promulgates the autocratic tendencies of the elites. The electorate is ignorant and uncommitted... that is, unfit to govern themselves. You elites alone are able to govern, pat the peasants on the head, and promise them you will take care of them. But then your ilk has been promising that stuff for millennia. Never happens. Well, as one liberal news commentator admitted, the ‘ignorant and uncommitted’ electorate has tossed a stick of dynamite into Washington with the fuse already lit and a message attached that reads “Fuck Off!'
It's not the "elite" that will pay the costs of the outcome of this past election. They will be OK.
There is big misunderstanding about globalization. It is everything but natural trend. It's internationalization, international cooperation, that world needs. Under that trend economics serves society. Under globalization society serves economical interests.
looks like there is plenty of room for improvement.
Oh, absolutely. I should've been less vague. The reason for the current scores is the point of contention. I agree that they're absolutely embarrassing.
mikethemartian said: It's not the "elite" that will pay the costs of the outcome of this past election. They will be OK.
What costs, though? We've been paying the price for the globalists' lack of vision for over a century now. How can isolationism cost the people of the United States? (Note that a specific nation was named)
When Lenin came into power the first thing that was done was the imprison the intellectuals and highly educated or "elite" of the present US administration would label them.
To establish his own, yes. Commies committed genocide on the native, actual Russians simply because they were Russian and Christian. Communism has literally never been a “movement of the people.” It is a movement of A people.
If you think that the common person has the time, interest or ability to study economic, environmental and social issues and then implement laws and or programs in response to this information then you are sadly being misled.
I don’t care about time. That they don’t have the time is why we send representatives to an assembly to do this for us. I don’t care about interest. If they don’t have the interest, they shouldn’t be allowed to vote in the first place. THAT’S WHY THE REPUBLIC WAS EXPRESSLY ESTABLISHED WITH LIMITED FRANCHISE and needs to return to it. I don’t care about ability. That they don’t have the ability is why they take what time they can to LEARN ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DO, judge them against one another, and determine which is best to send in representation to the aforementioned assembly.
These things are meaningless, because either you take the time to put in the interest or you lose not only your ability to complain about the situation, you should ALSO LOSE YOUR ABILITY TO VOTE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Democracy has always destroyed nations.
So called "elites" have their positions because they earned them
As a matter of course (in generality), or on a case-by-case basis? Surely you don’t mean to say that everyone in power is there legitimately.
and we should all be grateful to those that dedicate years or study and practice to attain those credentials.
I’m grateful to those with actual credentials and who aren’t traitors.
The US is positioning itself for the biggest brain drain in its history.
Guess who’s responsible for that. It rhymes with “my feets.”
Great teachers will retrain to work in the private sector to make a living wage rather than struggle as a public school teacher.
1. Private schools pay teachers less than public schools. This charter bullshit is going to destroy education if Pence gets his way. 2. Fuck the ‘living wage’ dialectic.
Our children's education will sink even further down the ladder of in comparison to other wester nations.
Be very, VERY, VERY careful now. Otherwise I’ll have to respond to this with facts that will hurt your feelings.
All this because "elites" are considered enemies of the state.
Nah.
There was time when I thought people who followed technology websites like this one were intelligent and somewhat sensible, not prone to believing in fringe fantasies, perhaps somewhat worldly if not by actual experience at the very least through books or shared stories from those that have. What I have learned is disheartening when I google their usernames and find they contribute to blogs such as this one: ZeroHedge. A blog for the aluminum hat wearing set who live in opposite world and for the most part leave comments endlessly day after day. Constantly on the attack and making a point by dismantling others comments by taking sentence out of context and embroidering "new meaning" to those fragments. People that do not create but only destroy. People with little tolerance and filled of fear for those that are not like them.
Sigh. Nothing like verifying Americans can be as parochial as any Ukrainian kulak, Mongolian herder or UK Midlands Brexiteer. I figured out there's more to gain for our species when I decided I'm a citizen of Earth -- not a city or state, clan or ethnicity. Old fashioned enough to understand I have more in common with folks working to feed themselves and family, advance lifestyles with better health and education - in any other nation - than I might ever wish to have with the politicians, pundits and profiteers running economic life in my home patch.
That was over 60 years ago. Never voted for creeps like Nixon, Reagan or Trump. Rarely encountered leading Democrats "on my side" for longer than an election cycle or two. The leaders of many of the trade unions I joined and worked to improve were often as easily bought off by useless promises and/or dollar$ as any state politician. At the same time, I was fortunate enough to march alongside women and men of all colors and convictions with lifetime commitments to change. Ready to risk their lives in dissent. Just as ready to understand solidarity is as global as shares in software startups and likely to be more rewarding to an ethical conscience.
Yup. Long-winded as ever. Just saying, look over your country's favorite wall, your neighborhood's barrio boundary, you might discover some enjoyable new food for your belly - or heart and mind.
Thank you Comrade eider. We need morally virtuous people like you to educate the proletariat on the benefits of a one world government where they can serve the common collective against the imperial capitalists like Cook. Why should some folks have iPhones when others are struggling? As you have said, we need to march together to shut down the factories that are producing this inequality and convert the means of production, which belongs to all of us, to the needs of the workers. "To each according to their needs", and no one needs iPhones, iMacs, or cell phones at all when we can be meeting and conversing at the union hall as you have done. Let us know how to get your future communiques as you will undoubtedly be ridding yourself of all of these trappings of capitalism and exploitation of the workers.
I see the benefits of globalisation but can't support Cook on it. It creates greater potential for negative global consequences, things in our arrogance we assume won't happen. Even the shipping of bees around the US to pollinate crops makes me nervous—that seems like a disaster waiting to happen (why not develop a sustainable crop variety to encourage bee population year round?). Also, through globalisation there is a reduction in the uniqueness of different cultures, and I think it's arrogant to assume those losses are inconsequential.
There are also consequences of non-globalization, as we see with the slowly sinking ship of the British economy.
And there are even dangers in democracy, if the electorate is ignorant and uncommitted to the principles of that form of government, as we saw in Egypt and other Arab Spring disasters, and we may be seeing in the US right now.
Your attitude is what promulgates the autocratic tendencies of the elites. The electorate is ignorant and uncommitted... that is, unfit to govern themselves. You elites alone are able to govern, pat the peasants on the head, and promise them you will take care of them. But then your ilk has been promising that stuff for millennia. Never happens. Well, as one liberal news commentator admitted, the ‘ignorant and uncommitted’ electorate has tossed a stick of dynamite into Washington with the fuse already lit and a message attached that reads “Fuck Off!'
When Lenin came into power the first thing that was done was the imprison the intellectuals and highly educated or "elite" of the present US administration would label them. If you think that the common person has the time, interest or ability to study economic, environmental and social issues and then implement laws and or programs in response to this information then you are sadly being misled. Do you want your doctor to treat you which has not spent years studying medicine? Do you want little trained architects to build a bridge you travel across each day? So called "elites" have their positions because they earned them and we should all be grateful to those that dedicate years or study and practice to attain those credentials.
The US is positioning itself for the biggest brain drain in its history. Schools will suffer tremendously in the coming years as funds dry up. Great teachers will retrain to work in the private sector to make a living wage rather than struggle as a public school teacher. Our children's education will sink even further down the ladder of in comparison to other wester nations. All this because "elites" are considered enemies of the state.
Not sure why you think that was a reply to me. I merely said that some empirically minded economists had started to revise their opinions on globalisation.
There was time when I thought people who followed technology websites like this one were intelligent and somewhat sensible, not prone to believing in fringe fantasies,
So your argument is where?
ZeroHedge. A blog for the aluminum hat wearing set who live in opposite world
So prove it wrong. Are you seriously pretending that Keynesianism works?
People that do not create but only destroy. People with little tolerance and filled of fear for those that are not like them.
How about you refute what I said or keep your libel to yourself, okay? You don't get to shitpost without being called out on it, and you don't get to say you're right without any fact to back it.
Great for the world... China has no freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no freedom of press, political dissenters "disappear" so yeah, great job Tim...
Great for the world... China has no freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no freedom of press, political dissenters "disappear" so yeah, great job Tim...
It's Tim's job to defend Apple's interests, so there's nothing particularly wrong with his statement. Apple's customers are everywhere.
I see the benefits of globalisation but can't support Cook on it. It creates greater potential for negative global consequences, things in our arrogance we assume won't happen. Even the shipping of bees around the US to pollinate crops makes me nervous—that seems like a disaster waiting to happen (why not develop a sustainable crop variety to encourage bee population year round?). Also, through globalisation there is a reduction in the uniqueness of different cultures, and I think it's arrogant to assume those losses are inconsequential.
There are also consequences of non-globalization, as we see with the slowly sinking ship of the British economy.
And there are even dangers in democracy, if the electorate is ignorant and uncommitted to the principles of that form of government, as we saw in Egypt and other Arab Spring disasters, and we may be seeing in the US right now.
The US is NOT a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. But you are correct in that our electorate, on both sides, seem uncommitted to preserving the Constitution as it was written and try to interpret it in their own ways which is very bad.
A very wide ranging thread. Please endure this long comment, there is a payoff, if just in a reason to deride this commenter. Which is welcomed if deserved.
As mentioned by others, Tim Cook is a man on the wire at all times. Even some Apple lovers here seem to not understand his dilemma. Haters include some among Apple users, Apple haters and anti liberal governments at home and abroad. No winners in his job, when even people whom enjoy the luxury of free speech, open tech, unlimited liberties comparatively to other countries still bad mouth a successful representative of that freedom, in Cook and Apple when they go into the opposing den. Clearly, he must defend the health and prosperity of his company, which means he speaks a different language to different audiences, remains flexible to the inflexible barriers to Apple. And throughout, at least to my eye and ear, he acts as a worthy role model on the world stage, and as a proper corporate representative and citizen of the United States. The people, business and entrepreneur types and authoritarian governments learn from the determination and patience of a liberal icon like Cook in their midst, even when it isn't immediately apparent.
One other major factor not directly mentioned in this thread which has had a major impact and influence on low educational achievement in the US and the problems encompassed in globalization began several decades ago, mid 1970's.
Once thought to to be a 'crazy conspiracy theory', the Concept of Trilateralism actually took hold and has in an almost monopolistic fashion, taken over important aspects of US lifestyle, education and economic globalization theory. This is also true to a lesser extent in other Trilateral nations and in the present lack of cohesion and stability in international relations as a whole.
Lowering of educational standards in the US was one of the main goals of the Trilateralists, under the theory that a less educated electorate will be less able to understand and disagree/refuse the issues and consequences of transnational corporate domination and all factors of globalization and importantly less able, prepared and motivated to vote for a truly representative leader. If you include gerrymandering and the disenfranchisement of many traditionally Democratic leaning members of the electorate, it is amazing, center right Democratic candidates like Clinton and Obama were able to win national elections, even though the economic and social leanings in a majority of the voting age members of society favor the more generally identified democratic issues and planks.
Trilateralism is not a conspiracy theory it became a conspiracy reality. The greatest example of their success was the election of 1980. Three candidates were in contention Democratic candidates Carter/Mondale, Republicans Reagan/Bush and for one of the few times in modern Presidential Elections, an independent candidate considered a legitimate contender, John Anderson.
As many know, all three contenders in 1980 were Trilateralists. In essence, in supposedly, the most open and democratic election system in modern times, people had no choice other than a candidate from the Trilateral Commission.
How many Trilateralist existed at the time? Western Europe, Japan and US Canada was considered the Trilateral world. Approximately 600 millions people in those countries at the time, and only 360 people were hand picked as Trilateralist, as representatives for 600 millions people. In the US, the dominant member nation of the Trilateral world, we had 80 members on the Commission. So 80 members for 280 million folks. That's a hell of a conspiracy. In 1976, the first election that the Trilateralist came into ascendancy, President Carters Administration had 16 top members of his Administration as Trilateralists. President, V. president, Sec of State/Defense/Treasury/UN Ambassador and many other top officials. Between the Carter/Reagan/GHWBush period Trilateralism dominated American Foreign and Domestic Policy including the considerable dumbing down of the educational standards of American classrooms.
So, to the present, these folks run the show, because the Trilateralists, the political theory they subscribe to and globalization as a whole was theorized and institutionalized by the think tank off shoots scholars and policies from those rightist institutions. Two that stand out are the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute.
the important difference in our situation now is that this political/economic theory cum present reality is now in the hands of a completely unethical illiberal Presidential/Congressional leadership, and some would say, Russian influenced government. In any case our present government is not a benevolent government, so the current incarnation can be expected to be more Authoritarian with an even more militaristic and economically dominating bent here and abroad.
So give Cook and Apple a break, we are witnessing the breakdown of the modern nation state system and economic status quo. Where it all lands, nobody knows!
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/
looks like there is plenty of room for improvement.
It might be more intelligent for Tim Cook to remain absolutely silent on political issues.
There are members of the congress and senate that are bought and paid for by big business. The same goes for the states and even down to city and town councils. Until the whole electorial system is changes to stop the 'you fund my campagn' and 'I will force through a bill to enable your new plant that will pollute the river' or similar.
The amount of money spent on elections is more than the GDP of some countries. This is clearly unsustainable.
Then there are the crazy laws that have been enacted for the benefit of certain busineses. Want to go 'off grid' in Florida? Go to jail, do not pass go. You can't do it legally. Why? Big business.
"We the people" has to mean something. It is up to the people to make it mean what the people who wrote the constitution meant it to be.
Globalization Rules! -Billionaire
So prove it wrong. Are you seriously pretending that Keynesianism works?
How about you refute what I said or keep your libel to yourself, okay? You don't get to shitpost without being called out on it, and you don't get to say you're right without any fact to back it.
Even if no jobs are repatriated, building the customer base in China is still going to benefit TUSA.
As mentioned by others, Tim Cook is a man on the wire at all times. Even some Apple lovers here seem to not understand his dilemma. Haters include some among Apple users, Apple haters and anti liberal governments at home and abroad. No winners in his job, when even people whom enjoy the luxury of free speech, open tech, unlimited liberties comparatively to other countries still bad mouth a successful representative of that freedom, in Cook and Apple when they go into the opposing den.
Clearly, he must defend the health and prosperity of his company, which means he speaks a different language to different audiences, remains flexible to the inflexible barriers to Apple. And throughout, at least to my eye and ear, he acts as a worthy role model on the world stage, and as a proper corporate representative and citizen of the United States. The people, business and entrepreneur types and authoritarian governments learn from the determination and patience of a liberal icon like Cook in their midst, even when it isn't immediately apparent.
One other major factor not directly mentioned in this thread which has had a major impact and influence on low educational achievement in the US and the problems encompassed in globalization began several decades ago, mid 1970's.
Once thought to to be a 'crazy conspiracy theory', the Concept of Trilateralism actually took hold and has in an almost monopolistic fashion, taken over important aspects of US lifestyle, education and economic globalization theory. This is also true to a lesser extent in other Trilateral nations and in the present lack of cohesion and stability in international relations as a whole.
Lowering of educational standards in the US was one of the main goals of the Trilateralists, under the theory that a less educated electorate will be less able to understand and disagree/refuse the issues and consequences of transnational corporate domination and all factors of globalization and importantly less able, prepared and motivated to vote for a truly representative leader. If you include gerrymandering and the disenfranchisement of many traditionally Democratic leaning members of the electorate, it is amazing, center right Democratic candidates like Clinton and Obama were able to win national elections, even though the economic and social leanings in a majority of the voting age members of society favor the more generally identified democratic issues and planks.
Trilateralism is not a conspiracy theory it became a conspiracy reality. The greatest example of their success was the election of 1980. Three candidates were in contention Democratic candidates Carter/Mondale, Republicans Reagan/Bush and for one of the few times in modern Presidential Elections, an independent candidate considered a legitimate contender, John Anderson.
As many know, all three contenders in 1980 were Trilateralists. In essence, in supposedly, the most open and democratic election system in modern times, people had no choice other than a candidate from the Trilateral Commission.
How many Trilateralist existed at the time? Western Europe, Japan and US Canada was considered the Trilateral world. Approximately 600 millions people in those countries at the time, and only 360 people were hand picked as Trilateralist, as representatives for 600 millions people.
In the US, the dominant member nation of the Trilateral world, we had 80 members on the Commission. So 80 members for 280 million folks. That's a hell of a conspiracy. In 1976, the first election that the Trilateralist came into ascendancy, President Carters Administration had 16 top members of his Administration as Trilateralists. President, V. president, Sec of State/Defense/Treasury/UN Ambassador and many other top officials. Between the Carter/Reagan/GHWBush period Trilateralism dominated American Foreign and Domestic Policy including the considerable dumbing down of the educational standards of American classrooms.
So, to the present, these folks run the show, because the Trilateralists, the political theory they subscribe to and globalization as a whole was theorized and institutionalized by the think tank off shoots scholars and policies from those rightist institutions. Two that stand out are the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute.
the important difference in our situation now is that this political/economic theory cum present reality is now in the hands of a completely unethical illiberal Presidential/Congressional leadership, and some would say, Russian influenced government. In any case our present government is not a benevolent government, so the current incarnation can be expected to be more Authoritarian with an even more militaristic and economically dominating bent here and abroad.
So give Cook and Apple a break, we are witnessing the breakdown of the modern nation state system and economic status quo. Where it all lands, nobody knows!