You're wrong about the four speakers not worth a mention Mike. It's a big deal to some and a healthy clip better than 2-speakered iPad when in all-in-one situations—which Marco Arment would tell you for his Overcast stats is most people most of the time. Never mind facts though when you can just blame readers. And while you mentioned P3 you didn't mention True Tone.
"Your mileage, and agreement, may vary." We keep the forums open for discussions like this. Because I didn't (and still don't) think that the quad-speakers equals much of anything, doesn't mean that you all don't.
You're welcome to feel that I'm wrong -- I do, and have, made corrections! But -- I continue to stand by what's here, as-is.
Does the iPad Pro have 16Bit, 24Bit, or 32Bit DAC. Does it support HiRes audio files? Granted the speakers sound like they are an improvement over the Air2 but they're not stand alone speakers.
The 12.9 has the Cirrus Logic 338S1213. The Pro 9.7 has no such beast, and appears to use something belonging to the (inferior) CS42L family. On my 12.9, the audio is as crisp and clear as the little speakers can crank out, but on the family's 9.7 Pro, it's... gruff, and lacks the tonality of the larger pro. I can't tell the difference between the two speakers on the Air 2, versus the four on the 9.7 without using carefully selected tracks utilizing quadrophonic sound - and neither can the array of folk that I've been gathering for half a decade to test things like this.
Regarding the audio on the new iPad -- it's probably more in line with the Air family. We'll see how it goes, and we'll address real-world performance when we get ours.
Thanks! I appreciate it. I hope Apple continues to improve the Audio in their iPads Apple has always been a leader in increasing display technology.
Right now I always have to carry a windows laptop to remote in to may company's systems. Hoping for iOS to add mouse support on the iPad Pro. I think they will some day (wish it was this year) but it will probably be further down the future. Someday I will upgrade from my Air 2 just don't know when.
Don't worry about that jerk. I always find your news stories great.
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop.
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
Its because the Pencil is a pointing device that I think it would be relatively easy for Apple to add mouse support to the iPad. Apple has already release the smart connector keyboard for the iPad. Using a mouse for pointing when typing seems just more natural, more normal that stopping to be picking up and dropping then pencil.
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
Its because the Pencil is a pointing device that I think it would be relatively easy for Apple to add mouse support to the iPad. Apple has already release the smart connector keyboard for the iPad. Using a mouse for pointing when typing seems just more natural, more normal that stopping to be picking up and dropping then pencil.
Funny how so many want mouse support for the iPad for use with a keyboard, as they don't want to raise arm to touch the screen....
...but also demand that Apple build a touch screen Mac, as they say touching the screen is more natural than using the mouse / trackpad
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
Its because the Pencil is a pointing device that I think it would be relatively easy for Apple to add mouse support to the iPad. Apple has already release the smart connector keyboard for the iPad. Using a mouse for pointing when typing seems just more natural, more normal that stopping to be picking up and dropping then pencil.
IMO, a kb [cover] with built-in trackpad would be preferable to a mouse:
more logical -- if you require a mouse, you, likely, require a kb
more productive -- both hands stay on the kb
more portable -- fewer bits to keep track of and carry around
no additional connector/charger needed
smaller footprint when you're out and about -- e.g. airplane tray table
useable on your lap or the couch -- tho, for some uses, a lap mouse is an interesting idea
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
Its because the Pencil is a pointing device that I think it would be relatively easy for Apple to add mouse support to the iPad. Apple has already release the smart connector keyboard for the iPad. Using a mouse for pointing when typing seems just more natural, more normal that stopping to be picking up and dropping then pencil.
You're tapping into a fundamental problem with iOS -- editing text is a crap experience on it. Simple typing of a text, or quick e-mail is a no brainier: iOS is perfect for that. But anything more and it starts to fail for serious document creation, especially when heavy editing is needed. Fingers are just too big, and the OS just too unreliable to make quick and easy corrections. Touching the screen breaks down for such intricate tasks, whereas for other functions touching beats a mouse hands down. This is why there is seemingly a desire to use a PC when it comes to spreadsheets, and documents, etc., even though all of those things can be done on iOS -- but it's not as efficient. Apple seems to be capitalizing on this by offering both iPads and Macs rather than developing a true hybrid (the iPP doesn't count).
frankly I'm not even sure why there's a debate here -- give the customer what they want, and the tools to use their products in the best, and most appropriate way, given the task. Touch the screen when necessary, use a mouse or trackpad when warranted (and add some arrow keys too). I understand why OSX hasn't incorporated touch screens yet on devices that run it, as it really isn't an effective touch screen experience yet. But I also understand the desire of the customer to see those worlds merge as soon as possible. Since iOS is optimized for Touch, then adding traditional desktop tools to iOS seems to be a no brainer, especially for the reasons stated above. While I'm not saying this is the motivation, it would definitely cut into to Mac sales by doing so. The pencil is a step in the right direction, but it's still not the most efficient tool for document manipulation, despite mimicking every other function of a mouse or trackpad.
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
Its because the Pencil is a pointing device that I think it would be relatively easy for Apple to add mouse support to the iPad. Apple has already release the smart connector keyboard for the iPad. Using a mouse for pointing when typing seems just more natural, more normal that stopping to be picking up and dropping then pencil.
You're tapping into a fundamental problem with iOS -- editing text is a crap experience on it.
The Mac is 3x better for this kind of thing and way more productive a device. iOS may never be as productive as the Mac, ever, and that will still be fine.
How do we know the new iPad doesn't have a laminated display? And if it does not, why does it not? And no mention of the True Tone display, better camera and four speakers.
Fair enough on the lam display. Not on other points. I laid them out in plain English too.
We did address DCI-P3. I didn't address the speaker situation, because if you're relying on the speakers on your iPad to give you audio, you're probably doing something wrong.
That's absurd. Video in bed is a prime use case and speakers are relevant to that. With older ipads it is/was hard to hear a show or movie.
Just because it was overlooked doesn't mean we're doing it wrong.
Oddly, I have never had a problem with video in bed on any generation iPad. I stand by what I wrote about, and what I didn't. You've read enough of my stuff to know that if I'm called out on something that I straight-out missed and believe that I should have included after it getting pointed out, I issue a mea culpa, and fix it. I still don't see a big need to do so.
Your mileage, and agreement, may vary.
How strange, considering the low output from older ipads.
Again, depending on onboard speakers to give us audio in no way means anyone is "doing it wrong". Absurd claim.
I think the choice is clear. Do you need an Apple Pencil or the color gamut for your work as an artist? Do you want handwritten notes? Buy a Pro. Everyone else should buy an iPad and save the scratch.
The world of people who can use an IPad as a "laptop replacement" is small and is largely populated by retirees, small children and people who just surf the web and never use a complicated spreadsheet. The lower price iPad opens that world up and also keeps it as a more viable choice to buy for kids. Though giving up on the mini basically cedes that to Amazon where $50 gets you a crap-in-comparison tablet that is actually amazing because you can hand it to a four-year-old and not care.
Most of us are not tech writers with access to the bleeding edge. The new iPad is going to be a nice replacement for those with an original iPad, 2,3,4 or maybe Air who are thinking "It is time for a new one do i still need... $329. OK let me just explain this to the wife in a way that makes it sound important. I should use the old iPad more to make it look like I need one."
Normal people cannot justify an $800-$1,000 iPad (either base or all in with keyboard and pencil) when you can now grab a MacBook Air for the same price or a MacBook for just a few hundred more. Meanwhile for a growing segment of the population that just browses the Web and uses Facebook the phone works just fine.
I just hope Apple wakes up, either adds more true multitasking and power abilities to the Pro's or concedes they are not laptops, they cannot grow the mac business charging more and more for less and they find a way to bring Mac prices down to reality so they can grow the user base and be more than an iPhone company for years to come.
They are losing the top part of the market who don't want toy computers and the bottom part that can get a $300 Windows laptop a couple of minutes after ogling the nice MacBooks hidden in the corner of Best Buy.
I have an iPad Air 2 and if you all you are doing is watching movies/tv/web surfing/or email it's a great machine. And I think that this new iPad is also a great machine that will hopefully get people into pads.
As great of a machine that the iPadPro may be for artists with the Pencil. Its' not going to motivate me to upgrade. If they add mouse support to the Pro then I will definitely upgrade. Apple needs to expand the reach of the Pro to more users.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
Its because the Pencil is a pointing device that I think it would be relatively easy for Apple to add mouse support to the iPad. Apple has already release the smart connector keyboard for the iPad. Using a mouse for pointing when typing seems just more natural, more normal that stopping to be picking up and dropping then pencil.
You're tapping into a fundamental problem with iOS -- editing text is a crap experience on it.
The Mac is 3x better for this kind of thing and way more productive a device. iOS may never be as productive as the Mac, ever, and that will still be fine.
I agree which is why I don't understand the line 'iPad Pro was Apple's intention to replace Mac'. Rather, and more precisely, it is an alternative for Mac. It's an option for people who think a Mac is rather overkill for their line of works or for a specific task as an addition to Mac. I own an iMac and an iPad. Though I love the 27 inch screen, sometimes I just need iPad to quickly write an email while having a full screen spreadsheets on my iMac.
I'm holding out for a refresh of the 12.9" Pro before I make any decisions on upgrading from my Air 2. Obviously, the new iPad isn't worth a consideration, as the gains would be minimal, and some aspects are a step backwards.
It's not an upgrade for Air 2 owners, no, but this iPad is targeted at iPad 2/3/4/Air owners and education. After buying a new Mac I really didn't feel like shelling out $800+ tax for a 9.7" iPad Pro 128GB with AC+ to replace my Air I bought at launch, but I'll be happy to drop $520, especially since I can trade in my old one at Best Buy and get out the door for just over $300 on the actual hardware.
This is exactly how I feel. My wife got the Pro last year for work (and yes, the Pencil has more uses than just drawing, people *eyeroll*) but I don't need that capability. I have a 3 which is getting old and slow (plus it has the old 30-pin) and this $329 model has finally enticed me. I will be upgrading in a couple months.
I'm holding out for a refresh of the 12.9" Pro before I make any decisions on upgrading from my Air 2. Obviously, the new iPad isn't worth a consideration, as the gains would be minimal, and some aspects are a step backwards.
It's not an upgrade for Air 2 owners, no, but this iPad is targeted at iPad 2/3/4/Air owners and education. After buying a new Mac I really didn't feel like shelling out $800+ tax for a 9.7" iPad Pro 128GB with AC+ to replace my Air I bought at launch, but I'll be happy to drop $520, especially since I can trade in my old one at Best Buy and get out the door for just over $300 on the actual hardware.
This is exactly how I feel. My wife got the Pro last year for work (and yes, the Pencil has more uses than just drawing, people *eyeroll*) but I don't need that capability. I have a 3 which is getting old and slow (plus it has the old 30-pin) and this $329 model has finally enticed me. I will be upgrading in a couple months.
I'm in the same situation as you, and even though the iPad 3 is seemingly getting slower with each successive iOS update, I still find it incredibly productive and useful for my needs. Battery life is still pretty incredible considering its age. 30-pin dock isn't really an issue at all. However, I'm not interested in spending money just because I might have it to spend. I'm more than a little put off by the fact that the new iPad is a significant step backward from the Air 2 in terms of user interface. It's hard to believe the Mini 4 actually has a better display than the new iPad. While the new iPad certainly serves a purpose as an entry level device for first time iPad buyers, and maybe a reasonable upgrade for those coming from the iPad 2, I'm not really onboard with it from the 3 or 4, to say nothing of the Air. I'm already living without a laminated display so that's not a big deal, but what does have me excited is TrueTone display. And for sure, I'd love to have improved screen quality in general. So doing away with the laminated display is one of those decisions that leaves me scratching my head. I'm sure Apple will sell a ton of these, but now that the iPad 3 is stuck at iOS 9, I'm certainly not going to rush out buy a new iPad until I'm truly left behind with software features that Apple stops supporting, or introduces new software features I must have. My next iPad will do more than my current iPad, offer a better user experience, and not just be faster.
I'm holding out for a refresh of the 12.9" Pro before I make any decisions on upgrading from my Air 2. Obviously, the new iPad isn't worth a consideration, as the gains would be minimal, and some aspects are a step backwards.
Agreed - not really a good upgrade if you already have an Air1 or Air2 - for those if you want more, get a Pro (or wait, it's not like those are slow for normal uses).
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Right now I always have to carry a windows laptop to remote in to may company's systems. Hoping for iOS to add mouse support on the iPad Pro. I think they will some day (wish it was this year) but it will probably be further down the future. Someday I will upgrade from my Air 2 just don't know when.
Don't worry about that jerk. I always find your news stories great.
Just want to point something out here. The Pencil is a pointing device. Like the mouse or trackpad on your "Desktop" computer it can be used for fine selection that your fat finger is not capable of doing. This make the iPad Pro a much more capable device for a lot more than just "artists". And along with a keyboard, it becomes just as useful as any laptop. People can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason their "computers" are better is because of the devices used to interact with them and it's the same reason Apple does not sell Macs with touch screens.
...but also demand that Apple build a touch screen Mac, as they say touching the screen is more natural than using the mouse / trackpad
frankly I'm not even sure why there's a debate here -- give the customer what they want, and the tools to use their products in the best, and most appropriate way, given the task. Touch the screen when necessary, use a mouse or trackpad when warranted (and add some arrow keys too). I understand why OSX hasn't incorporated touch screens yet on devices that run it, as it really isn't an effective touch screen experience yet. But I also understand the desire of the customer to see those worlds merge as soon as possible. Since iOS is optimized for Touch, then adding traditional desktop tools to iOS seems to be a no brainer, especially for the reasons stated above. While I'm not saying this is the motivation, it would definitely cut into to Mac sales by doing so. The pencil is a step in the right direction, but it's still not the most efficient tool for document manipulation, despite mimicking every other function of a mouse or trackpad.
Again, depending on onboard speakers to give us audio in no way means anyone is "doing it wrong". Absurd claim.