In two-pronged attack, Microsoft intros low-end Windows 10 S, high-end $999+ Surface Lapto...

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  • Reply 21 of 81
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,186member
    Microsoft for whatever reason seems to think they can compete in the "premium" market like Apple does. I don't know a single person who thinks Microsoft as a premium brand. They're going to be fighting a losing battle, especially in the educational market. If someone is going to spend $999 on a computer, you might as well get a Mac which is far easier to manage and less costlier in the end, with a better resale value as well. We turn our Apple products in after 4 or so years and get a credit back on them toward the purchase of replacements. It works out very well and depending on what you're turning back in, you can get quite a bit. Our PCs...well they get recycled because they're worthless. 
    watto_cobracornchip
  • Reply 22 of 81
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,297member
    lkrupp said:
    Schools are ditching iPads for $200 ChromeBooks and this thing is supposedly aimed at the educational market? What the hell is going on here? And what about the AI trolls who are always bitching about MacBooks with the same amount of RAM and storage? This sounds really gefickt to me.
    It was a confused event.  Microsoft was billing it as an education event. So naturally people are assuming k-12 and a chromebook competitor. Instead they announce a laptop designed to compete with the MacBook or MacBook Air not a chrome book.  It's like they didn't think they could have an event just to announce the laptop so they threw some education stuff in there to try and make it a complete event. People talk about Apple's sometimes confusing naming conventions. Here we have Surface Pro, Surface Book and now Surface Laptop. How is that not confusing?
    firelockcornchip
  • Reply 23 of 81
    FatmanFatman Posts: 513member
     ... as the revenue and monopoly of Win OS continues to decay.
    watto_cobracornchip
  • Reply 24 of 81
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 988member
    macxpress said:
    Okay, but we just purchased HP ProBook x360's for $494 with 13" screen, 4GB of RAM, and 128GB SSDs in our school...why would I spend $999 for essentially something that does the same thing? In the end, its still a Windows hybrid laptop/tablet. I don't get this? It also I don't think has a network jack on it which is essential for management purposes when the HP does. 
    This new MS machine is not a hybrid, just a plain old laptop. One that can't run any software besides what is on the MS store. I have no idea what is actually on the MS store, maybe there is something useful but to me this machine sounds like Windows RC all over again. Didn't they learn the first time???

    - From MS Store specs page:
    • Two full-size USB 3.0
    • Headset jack
    • Mini Displayport
    • Surface Connect
    No USB-C is interesting. 
    edited May 2017
  • Reply 25 of 81
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    jkichline said:
    I am hopeful that Apple will come out with a laptop designed around the A10 or A11 processor that beats these specs and outperforms Intel Core i5/i7processors too.  I think that will allow them to further reduce costs (no need to buy expensive chips from Intel) and have a huge App Store at their disposal.  Really it's minor software to support iOS, a bit more to support Mac OS but Apple has been heading that way and has the ability to do so.
    Are you promoting for Google Chrome?  Do you know iOS does not support mouse? 
  • Reply 26 of 81
    teaearlegreyhotteaearlegreyhot Posts: 1,000member
    This MS announcement is forward-looking.  What is the expected ship date, please?
    cornchip
  • Reply 27 of 81
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,108member
    Perfect timing for Microsoft to catch up to Apple as it clumsily stumbles with MBP.
    Last time Microsoft tried to pull such a stunt with Jobs, he brought out the iPhone, then smacked them up-the-head with the iPad.
    cornchip
  • Reply 28 of 81
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    lkrupp said:
    Schools are ditching iPads for $200 ChromeBooks and this thing is supposedly aimed at the educational market? What the hell is going on here? And what about the AI trolls who are always bitching about MacBooks with the same amount of RAM and storage? This sounds really gefickt to me.
    It was a confused event.  Microsoft was billing it as an education event. So naturally people are assuming k-12 and a chromebook competitor. Instead they announce a laptop designed to compete with the MacBook or MacBook Air not a chrome book.  It's like they didn't think they could have an event just to announce the laptop so they threw some education stuff in there to try and make it a complete event. People talk about Apple's sometimes confusing naming conventions. Here we have Surface Pro, Surface Book and now Surface Laptop. How is that not confusing?
    Microsoft makes handsome profits selling OS and software.  Google makes high profit margin selling ads.  Apple makes money selling high quality reliable hardware.  These are the essential differentiators of these three conglomerates.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 81
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,108member
    Their mouse lays flat for travel:
    https://youtu.be/kkwSh2q-1yE
    ravnorodom
  • Reply 30 of 81
    gumbigumbi Posts: 148member
    lkrupp said:
    Schools are ditching iPads for $200 ChromeBooks and this thing is supposedly aimed at the educational market? What the hell is going on here? And what about the AI trolls who are always bitching about MacBooks with the same amount of RAM and storage? This sounds really gefickt to me.
    It was a confused event.  Microsoft was billing it as an education event. So naturally people are assuming k-12 and a chromebook competitor. Instead they announce a laptop designed to compete with the MacBook or MacBook Air not a chrome book.  It's like they didn't think they could have an event just to announce the laptop so they threw some education stuff in there to try and make it a complete event. People talk about Apple's sometimes confusing naming conventions. Here we have Surface Pro, Surface Book and now Surface Laptop. How is that not confusing?

    No it wasn't.   Windows 10s is what they are targeting at K-12.  The Surface Laptop is not targeted at that market at all - there are several hardware vendors that are making the hardware for that market - starting at the $189 price point. 

    It's typical, but, apple users have NO clue as to what Windows 10s is.  Windows 10s IS Windows 10 Pro with a couple of modifications - mainly involving startup, locking it to the windows store (a feature that is actually in Windows 10 Creators Update), and it can't be managed through on premise AD.  Windows 10s is meant to be managed by cloud by a cloud based MDM solution (Intune for education being the main one).  The point of windows 10s is to compete with ChromeOS - cheap hardware and easy to manage.  Most American school districts have very little in the way of funds for IT, so can't spend money on expensive devices and device management.  This is why Chromebooks are so popular in this market - and are eroding both Apple's and Microsoft's market share in that area (if you look at the actual numbers it has much more harm to Apple then MS at this point, but, it's only a matter of time before it starts really hurting MS as well).   What Windows 10 s gives them is a secure easily managed and restricted environment with the ability to easily switch profiles.  

    Being locked to the Windows store in that environment is not really a hindrance -  its a safety and performance feature.  It seems to be little realized, but, even Win32 desktop applications can be made available to the Windows store via the Centennial bridge.   There are a number of those applications on the store today - Adobe Photoshop Elements 15 being one example.  Full Microsoft Office will also soon becoming to the Windows store as was announced today along with the Spotify desktop application.

    gatorguysmaceslinavon b7
  • Reply 31 of 81
    eglasheeneglasheen Posts: 45member
    It was painful watching Panos use the pen on this laptop. Who the hell wants to do that more than once? He even had to hold the screen steady.

    Here is what I do not understand. Laptops are yesterday. Why invest in yesterday's news. 

    This was incredibly boring...
    watto_cobracornchip
  • Reply 32 of 81
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
    Microsoft "Surface" messaging:
    - Surface Pro, which is a tablet that is promoted as a laptop (keyboard, kickstand, ability to dock).  With keyboard, pen, and dock, it comes to $1,140 USD.
    - Surface Book, which is a laptop promoted as a "the ultimate laptop", with the detachable screen for tablet-like use, with a starting price of $1500 USD.
    - Surface Laptop, which is advertised as a laptop.  Starts at $999.

    So if you want a laptop, which one should you get?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 81
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
    Protests in the streets about the non-user-upgradable parts?
    Strangely...I doubt it.  No doubt very high praise in terms of "innovation" for a device that is essentially copying the MB Air, and adding a touch screen.
    watto_cobracornchip
  • Reply 34 of 81
    Andy1984Andy1984 Posts: 8member
    I'm sorry but is it at all possible for Microsoft to release anything without copying Apple? That whole video was literally the same intro video for the 2016 MacBook Pro, even down to the clip with the colored powders on the screen. Come on! Can't you do anything without copying Apple, Microsoft??? Not even a simple intro video???? 
    dewmewatto_cobracornchip
  • Reply 35 of 81
    I'm very unhappy that I'm unable to buy a denim computer. Maybe StitchFix will be able to do something in this area?  Get ready to cross Centennial Bridge.  Cheers!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 81
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,328member
    Microsoft's offerings are now so, so fucking confusing.
    pscooter63watto_cobracornchip
  • Reply 37 of 81
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,186member
    hexclock said:
    macxpress said:
    Okay, but we just purchased HP ProBook x360's for $494 with 13" screen, 4GB of RAM, and 128GB SSDs in our school...why would I spend $999 for essentially something that does the same thing? In the end, its still a Windows hybrid laptop/tablet. I don't get this? It also I don't think has a network jack on it which is essential for management purposes when the HP does. 
    This new MS machine is not a hybrid, just a plain old laptop. One that can't run any software besides what is on the MS store. I have no idea what is actually on the MS store, maybe there is something useful but to me this machine sounds like Windows RC all over again. Didn't they learn the first time???

    - From MS Store specs page:
    • Two full-size USB 3.0
    • Headset jack
    • Mini Displayport
    • Surface Connect
    No USB-C is interesting. 
    Great! Makes my purchase even better! I'd like to see in the long run how many districts pick this up. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 81
    thedbathedba Posts: 667member
    brucemc said:
    Microsoft "Surface" messaging:
    - Surface Pro, which is a tablet that is promoted as a laptop (keyboard, kickstand, ability to dock).  With keyboard, pen, and dock, it comes to $1,140 USD.
    - Surface Book, which is a laptop promoted as a "the ultimate laptop", with the detachable screen for tablet-like use, with a starting price of $1500 USD.
    - Surface Laptop, which is advertised as a laptop.  Starts at $999.

    So if you want a laptop, which one should you get?
    Surface Pro (tablet wannabe but really small PC chained to its Windows legacy) --> iPad Pro competitor (pure tablet)
    Surface Book (wants to compete as a high end laptop, sucks as a tablet)  --> Macbook Pro competitor (high end laptop)
    Surface Laptop (small lightweight laptop with touchscreen) --> Macbook competitor (very lightweight laptop for those who don't want iPad) 
    ObjectiveTechFan
  • Reply 39 of 81
    gumbigumbi Posts: 148member
    macxpress said:
    hexclock said:
    macxpress said:
    Okay, but we just purchased HP ProBook x360's for $494 with 13" screen, 4GB of RAM, and 128GB SSDs in our school...why would I spend $999 for essentially something that does the same thing? In the end, its still a Windows hybrid laptop/tablet. I don't get this? It also I don't think has a network jack on it which is essential for management purposes when the HP does. 
    This new MS machine is not a hybrid, just a plain old laptop. One that can't run any software besides what is on the MS store. I have no idea what is actually on the MS store, maybe there is something useful but to me this machine sounds like Windows RC all over again. Didn't they learn the first time???

    - From MS Store specs page:
    • Two full-size USB 3.0
    • Headset jack
    • Mini Displayport
    • Surface Connect
    No USB-C is interesting. 
    Great! Makes my purchase even better! I'd like to see in the long run how many districts pick this up. 

    None will - just as none picked up Googles Chromebook Pixel.  What they might be interested in is the much cheaper laptops coming - starting at $189.
  • Reply 40 of 81
    eglasheeneglasheen Posts: 45member
    slurpy said:
    Microsoft's offerings are now so, so fucking confusing.

    Ever try Office 365?

    watto_cobra
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