Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
At some point you might be at least half-right. Or maybe not. Doesn't that same opinion get repeated here every month, and for as long as I can remember? STAGEFRIGHT!! The malware that wasn't.
The Android malware scarefest gets repeated so many times by either people that really have no idea of what's really happening in the first place, basing their knowledge on some headline they saw, or promoted by those with a vested interest in FUD-ing Android for monetary gain. (ie security software vendors, "professional friends of a competitor", blogs looking for click revenue, etc). Not knowing any better is forgivable. We don't all have the time for or interest in reading a whole lot. Knowing the truth but purposefully writing otherwise is another story altogether.
There's lots of reason to love iOS and Apple. We read about them every day here at AI. Creating imaginary reasons shouldn't be necessary.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Ah, the old "I haven't heard of any incidents so they must not be happening" argument. How do you know? Do you think malware is advertising "Hey, I just installed myself onto your device. Don't worry, I'll sit here in the background and won't cause any trouble." Just because WannaCry is asking for money, and therefore is highly visible, doesn't mean that all malware does this. Most of it just sits there and collects data, hoping to find something useful. This is how things like credit card fraud or identity theft happen. Months later when someone discovers fraud, do you think they connect the dots to that time they ordered something online on their mobile device?
Windows XP was terrible for this. I myself never had any issues, but family members did. I would go update their computer for them or install some new software and wonder why it was so slow or why a certain home page would come up when starting a browser. Turns out they had a virus and they weren't even aware of it. This is how it is with most people - they don't even know something is wrong.
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
It has been that way for last 5-6 years!!! Can you please point out to a huge security disaster which has impacted millions of Android users in the last 5-6 years?
Not millions but in The Netherlands there is a TV show about scams and they talked about ransomeware on PC and smartphone and all the infected phones whre androids. And this was in The Netherlands only. So who knows how many there are worldwide?
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Which metrics (in numbers, not headings) are you ready to?
There's a high end and a low end but also a middle ground which has seen massive growth in Q1.
High end (premium) is normally $400 and up and you mentioned $50 units for the low end but as we don't know the metrics you are referring to, we don't know if the middle ground could sway the numbers or if you have already included those users in your metrics.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
It has been that way for last 5-6 years!!! Can you please point out to a huge security disaster which has impacted millions of Android users in the last 5-6 years?
Not millions but in The Netherlands there is a TV show about scams and they talked about ransomeware on PC and smartphone and all the infected phones whre androids. And this was in The Netherlands only. So who knows how many there are worldwide?
If you search "iPhone ransomware" you can find report where only the iPhone is mentioned. Ransomware is platform agnostic. It requires a little help from users. A TV program that didn't show a picture of an iPhone is hardly evidence that only Android users can be impacted by it.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Ah, the old "I haven't heard of any incidents so they must not be happening" argument. How do you know? Do you think malware is advertising "Hey, I just installed myself onto your device. Don't worry, I'll sit here in the background and won't cause any trouble." Just because WannaCry is asking for money, and therefore is highly visible, doesn't mean that all malware does this. Most of it just sits there and collects data, hoping to find something useful. This is how things like credit card fraud or identity theft happen. Months later when someone discovers fraud, do you think they connect the dots to that time they ordered something online on their mobile device?
Windows XP was terrible for this. I myself never had any issues, but family members did. I would go update their computer for them or install some new software and wonder why it was so slow or why a certain home page would come up when starting a browser. Turns out they had a virus and they weren't even aware of it. This is how it is with most people - they don't even know something is wrong.
All this time debating with you over the years and I never realized you were a religious person. Don't ever lose faith sir. It can happen. It MUST happen. Really.
The fracturing of Android is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Samsung and Apple are going to dominate high end hardware and components.
Good luck to Google in keeping Android from being usurped by Samsung or displaced as Samsung moves to the same vertically integrated model that Apple functions on.
The Android apologists are now comical. They argue over irrelevant metrics while Samsung continues its all out assault in displacing Google as the owner of the second major mobile OS platform.
So where are the Android handset manufacturers going to buy their OLED panels with Apple and Samsung now taking up the entire supply where Samsung's OLED division cannot meet the demand for the next several years? Oh that's right, argue over the superiority of LCD again after taking Apple to task over the same issue. This time it will be the iPhone sporting the OLED panel and the next Pixel will likely back on LCD. Perhaps Apple could strike a deal with Samsung for their Isocell image sensor, crippling Sony's competitiveness, further locking out the Android OEMs access to other cutting edge components.
The Chinese OEMs are in panic mode and scrambling hard. Google itself cannot meet the demand for its own Pixel due to supply constraints regarding OLED panels. They are turning to LG as a result. LG may not even be able to deliver them in a timely fashion. Samsung is now a generation ahead of LG in manufacturing the panels. Samsung's panels will perform better for lower cost. And Samsung is ramping up awfully fast, meaning even better pricing for themselves and Apple.
It is really not looking good for any one competing with Samsung much less Apple. Android fragmentation is irrelevant. Superior hardware is where it's all at. And no one does it better than Samsung and Apple.
The fracturing of Android is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Samsung and Apple are going to dominate high end hardware and components.
Good luck to Google in keeping Android from being usurped by Samsung or displaced as Samsung moves to the same vertically integrated model that Apple functions on.
The Android apologists are now comical. They argue over irrelevant metrics while Samsung continues its all out assault in displacing Google as the owner of the second major mobile OS platform.
So where are the Android handset manufacturers going to buy their OLED panels with Apple and Samsung now taking up the entire supply where Samsung's OLED division cannot meet the demand for the next several years? Oh that's right, argue over the superiority of LCD again after taking Apple to task over the same issue. This time it will be the iPhone sporting the OLED panel and the next Pixel will likely back on LCD. Perhaps Apple could strike a deal with Samsung for their Isocell image sensor, crippling Sony's competitiveness, further locking out the Android OEMs access to other cutting edge components.
The Chinese OEMs are in panic mode and scrambling hard. Google itself cannot meet the demand for its own Pixel due to supply constraints regarding OLED panels. They are turning to LG as a result. LG may not even be able to deliver them in a timely fashion. Samsung is now a generation ahead of LG in manufacturing the panels. Samsung's panels will perform better for lower cost. And Samsung is ramping up awfully fast, meaning even better pricing for themselves and Apple.
It is really not looking good for any one competing with Samsung much less Apple. Android fragmentation is irrelevant. Superior hardware is where it's all at. And no one does it better than Samsung and Apple.
You are at it again!!! Samsung is NOT developing Tizen even to the level what Microsoft was developing Windows Phone to be. And we all know the fate of Windows Phone OS. It won't be long before Samsung abandons Tizen for smartphones, much like they abandoned Bada.
Regarding Pixel 2nd generation, they are NOT planning to sell 10 million of them even in 1 year. May be their target itself would b 2-3 million of them over a period of 6 months (with no availability for the next 6 months - talk about perfect planning (for failure that is), you cannot beat google to it with Nexus/Pixel availability), that's all. For that quantity, LG can easily provide them whenever required.
Yet another point - Even if Pixels do not come with OLED displays, the world (Android or real world) is NOT going to end as you think it would be. It is just one of the high-end phones in Android world, NOT the ONLY ONE that matters. Success or lack of it does NOT mean anything to the android world.
What is interesting about all of this, Google created its only problem. It was not like the competition was doing things which forced Google to respond in the way they did. Google did not have to take this path, but they did it by choice not because the market push them this way.
Apple had one strategy which was to sell a premium phone to anyone who want to afford it. Google strategy was put their OS and cyber stocking software on as many phones as possible. They achieved that, but their partner control how that was achieved. Their partner were only interested in selling as many cheap phones as possible and did not care which version was on the phone, they did not make any money on the software or apps on the phone.
But Google can say they have more eyes on their products, but failed to profit from those eyes. However, many all those users in 50 yrs when they have enough money will buy a premium product which Google will capitalize from.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
It has been that way for last 5-6 years!!! Can you please point out to a huge security disaster which has impacted millions of Android users in the last 5-6 years?
Not millions but in The Netherlands there is a TV show about scams and they talked about ransomeware on PC and smartphone and all the infected phones whre androids. And this was in The Netherlands only. So who knows how many there are worldwide?
If you search "iPhone ransomware" you can find report where only the iPhone is mentioned. Ransomware is platform agnostic. It requires a little help from users. A TV program that didn't show a picture of an iPhone is hardly evidence that only Android users can be impacted by it.
Well they asked for victims it and they only got response from Android folks.. But hey i don't give a shit. I don't even take you seriously after all these years of defending Google and Android.
You can pick on Android all day for its fragmented ecosystem, but that ecosystem has 2 Billion active devices. That's better than 1 Android device for every 4 people on Earth.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
It has been that way for last 5-6 years!!! Can you please point out to a huge security disaster which has impacted millions of Android users in the last 5-6 years?
Yes! You really don't get it, do you? The huge frikkin' security disaster which has impacted millions of Android users in the last 5-6 years is called ANDROID OS.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Wrong! The security and vulnerability for Android users is called ANDROID OS. Google is the one sucking up all your data and selling all it knows about you to the highest bidder.
Android OS has normalised spyware so people think it's what an OS is all about. Private it ain't. Security? hahaha... especially all those old versions of Android that will never get security updates.
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
1. Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 edge, S7 Active
2. HTC 10
3. LG G5
4. Sony Xperia X Premium, XZ
5. One Plus 3, 3T
6. Xiaomi MI 5, 5s
7. TCL Blackberry DTEK 60
8. Google Pixel, Pixel XL
9. Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
10. Moto Z/Z Force
11. Huawei Mate 9
12. Huawei P9/P9 Plus
13. LG V20
14. Huawei Honor 8
15. Vivo XPlay 6
16. Xiaomi MI Note 2
17. Lenovo Zuk Z2
You can add the LG G6, Samsung S8/S8 Plus, HTC U11, ZTE Axon 7, Xiaomi Mi6...
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Wrong! The security and vulnerability for Android users is called ANDROID OS. Google is the one sucking up all your data and selling all it knows about you to the highest bidder.
Android OS has normalised spyware so people think it's what an OS is all about. Private it ain't. Security? hahaha... especially all those old versions of Android that will never get security updates.
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The Android malware scarefest gets repeated so many times by either people that really have no idea of what's really happening in the first place, basing their knowledge on some headline they saw, or promoted by those with a vested interest in FUD-ing Android for monetary gain. (ie security software vendors, "professional friends of a competitor", blogs looking for click revenue, etc). Not knowing any better is forgivable. We don't all have the time for or interest in reading a whole lot. Knowing the truth but purposefully writing otherwise is another story altogether.
There's lots of reason to love iOS and Apple. We read about them every day here at AI. Creating imaginary reasons shouldn't be necessary.
Ah, the old "I haven't heard of any incidents so they must not be happening" argument. How do you know? Do you think malware is advertising "Hey, I just installed myself onto your device. Don't worry, I'll sit here in the background and won't cause any trouble." Just because WannaCry is asking for money, and therefore is highly visible, doesn't mean that all malware does this. Most of it just sits there and collects data, hoping to find something useful. This is how things like credit card fraud or identity theft happen. Months later when someone discovers fraud, do you think they connect the dots to that time they ordered something online on their mobile device?
Windows XP was terrible for this. I myself never had any issues, but family members did. I would go update their computer for them or install some new software and wonder why it was so slow or why a certain home page would come up when starting a browser. Turns out they had a virus and they weren't even aware of it. This is how it is with most people - they don't even know something is wrong.
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
1. Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 edge, S7 Active
2. HTC 10
3. LG G5
4. Sony Xperia X Premium, XZ
5. One Plus 3, 3T
6. Xiaomi MI 5, 5s
7. TCL Blackberry DTEK 60
8. Google Pixel, Pixel XL
9. Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
10. Moto Z/Z Force
11. Huawei Mate 9
12. Huawei P9/P9 Plus
13. LG V20
14. Huawei Honor 8
15. Vivo XPlay 6
16. Xiaomi MI Note 2
17. Lenovo Zuk Z2
Not millions but in The Netherlands there is a TV show about scams and they talked about ransomeware on PC and smartphone and all the infected phones whre androids. And this was in The Netherlands only. So who knows how many there are worldwide?
https://opgelicht.avrotros.nl/hulp/vraag-antwoord/item/8125/
There's a high end and a low end but also a middle ground which has seen massive growth in Q1.
High end (premium) is normally $400 and up and you mentioned $50 units for the low end but as we don't know the metrics you are referring to, we don't know if the middle ground could sway the numbers or if you have already included those users in your metrics.
A TV program that didn't show a picture of an iPhone is hardly evidence that only Android users can be impacted by it.
Don't ever lose faith sir. It can happen. It MUST happen. Really.
Someday you might actually be right.
Maybe...
Someday.
Good luck to Google in keeping Android from being usurped by Samsung or displaced as Samsung moves to the same vertically integrated model that Apple functions on.
The Android apologists are now comical. They argue over irrelevant metrics while Samsung continues its all out assault in displacing Google as the owner of the second major mobile OS platform.
So where are the Android handset manufacturers going to buy their OLED panels with Apple and Samsung now taking up the entire supply where Samsung's OLED division cannot meet the demand for the next several years? Oh that's right, argue over the superiority of LCD again after taking Apple to task over the same issue. This time it will be the iPhone sporting the OLED panel and the next Pixel will likely back on LCD. Perhaps Apple could strike a deal with Samsung for their Isocell image sensor, crippling Sony's competitiveness, further locking out the Android OEMs access to other cutting edge components.
The Chinese OEMs are in panic mode and scrambling hard. Google itself cannot meet the demand for its own Pixel due to supply constraints regarding OLED panels. They are turning to LG as a result. LG may not even be able to deliver them in a timely fashion. Samsung is now a generation ahead of LG in manufacturing the panels. Samsung's panels will perform better for lower cost. And Samsung is ramping up awfully fast, meaning even better pricing for themselves and Apple.
https://news.googply.com/2017/04/10/google-looks-to-lg-for-pixel-oled-screens-after-apples-big-order-with-samsung/
It is really not looking good for any one competing with Samsung much less Apple. Android fragmentation is irrelevant. Superior hardware is where it's all at. And no one does it better than Samsung and Apple.
You are at it again!!! Samsung is NOT developing Tizen even to the level what Microsoft was developing Windows Phone to be. And we all know the fate of Windows Phone OS. It won't be long before Samsung abandons Tizen for smartphones, much like they abandoned Bada.
Regarding Pixel 2nd generation, they are NOT planning to sell 10 million of them even in 1 year. May be their target itself would b 2-3 million of them over a period of 6 months (with no availability for the next 6 months - talk about perfect planning (for failure that is), you cannot beat google to it with Nexus/Pixel availability), that's all. For that quantity, LG can easily provide them whenever required.
Yet another point - Even if Pixels do not come with OLED displays, the world (Android or real world) is NOT going to end as you think it would be. It is just one of the high-end phones in Android world, NOT the ONLY ONE that matters. Success or lack of it does NOT mean anything to the android world.
What is interesting about all of this, Google created its only problem. It was not like the competition was doing things which forced Google to respond in the way they did. Google did not have to take this path, but they did it by choice not because the market push them this way.
Apple had one strategy which was to sell a premium phone to anyone who want to afford it. Google strategy was put their OS and cyber stocking software on as many phones as possible. They achieved that, but their partner control how that was achieved. Their partner were only interested in selling as many cheap phones as possible and did not care which version was on the phone, they did not make any money on the software or apps on the phone.
But Google can say they have more eyes on their products, but failed to profit from those eyes. However, many all those users in 50 yrs when they have enough money will buy a premium product which Google will capitalize from.
Well they asked for victims it and they only got response from Android folks.. But hey i don't give a shit. I don't even take you seriously after all these years of defending Google and Android.
Android OS has normalised spyware so people think it's what an OS is all about. Private it ain't. Security? hahaha... especially all those old versions of Android that will never get security updates.