What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
1. Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 edge, S7 Active
2. HTC 10
3. LG G5
4. Sony Xperia X Premium, XZ
5. One Plus 3, 3T
6. Xiaomi MI 5, 5s
7. TCL Blackberry DTEK 60
8. Google Pixel, Pixel XL
9. Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
10. Moto Z/Z Force
11. Huawei Mate 9
12. Huawei P9/P9 Plus
13. LG V20
14. Huawei Honor 8
15. Vivo XPlay 6
16. Xiaomi MI Note 2
17. Lenovo Zuk Z2
You can add the LG G6, Samsung S8/S8 Plus, HTC U11, ZTE Axon 7, Xiaomi Mi6...
Except for ZTE Axon 7, all the devices are released in 2017. I clearly mentioned 2016 in the year.
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
1. Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 edge, S7 Active
2. HTC 10
3. LG G5
4. Sony Xperia X Premium, XZ
5. One Plus 3, 3T
6. Xiaomi MI 5, 5s
7. TCL Blackberry DTEK 60
8. Google Pixel, Pixel XL
9. Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
10. Moto Z/Z Force
11. Huawei Mate 9
12. Huawei P9/P9 Plus
13. LG V20
14. Huawei Honor 8
15. Vivo XPlay 6
16. Xiaomi MI Note 2
17. Lenovo Zuk Z2
You can add the LG G6, Samsung S8/S8 Plus, HTC U11, ZTE Axon 7, Xiaomi Mi6...
Except for ZTE Axon 7, all the devices are released in 2017. I clearly mentioned 2016 in the year.
Yes sir you did, but the OP wasn't restricting it to 2016. I wasn't trying to offend you, simply adding more information to the excellent list you began.
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
1. Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 edge, S7 Active
2. HTC 10
3. LG G5
4. Sony Xperia X Premium, XZ
5. One Plus 3, 3T
6. Xiaomi MI 5, 5s
7. TCL Blackberry DTEK 60
8. Google Pixel, Pixel XL
9. Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
10. Moto Z/Z Force
11. Huawei Mate 9
12. Huawei P9/P9 Plus
13. LG V20
14. Huawei Honor 8
15. Vivo XPlay 6
16. Xiaomi MI Note 2
17. Lenovo Zuk Z2
You can add the LG G6, Samsung S8/S8 Plus, HTC U11, ZTE Axon 7, Xiaomi Mi6...
Except for ZTE Axon 7, all the devices are released in 2017. I clearly mentioned 2016 in the year.
Yes sir you did, but the OP wasn't restricting it to 2016. I wasn't trying to offend you, simply adding more information to the excellent list you began.
Agreed. Then I can add the below devices to the list.
Platform consistency is critical for app development. It's akin to the console vs. PC model. When console game developers know they have x million users on an identically spec'd hardware platform and can deliver an identical experience to that audience they invest (and conserve resources that otherwise would be spent tweaking drivers, multi resolutions, optimizing for specific graphics hardware, etc). By the end of this year the iPhone base of active handsets will nearly all be 64bit, capable of running iOS 11 (and the majority of devices will be updated to the latest software), with very capable and consistent memory, screens, graphics, CPU & IO subsystems. This will provide a ripe platform for great app development. Whereas the fragmented Android market will consist of significantly different OS versions, different CPUs, graphic subsystems and capabilities, memory, screen resolutions, etc. Just like PCs that have many different hardware vendors - Android will have software compatibility issues, endless updates, and different user experiences depending on the device.
That's great for developers and will save them some time and money but they will still be writing for Android and dealing with the issues all the same.
Q1-17 saw the $400+ handset market shrink but the same period saw the $300-399 segment grow by nearly 50%.
This coincides with some Android manufacturers selling higher numbers of premium and the so-called 'affordable premium' phones.
It seems that there has been an injection of capable phones onto the market and by definition, very few of them were iOS phones. That, combined with the relatively small iOS share should see many developers pursuing Android development in spite of the drawbacks of having to deal with the issues resulting from different hardware, bugs etc.
The Q1 numbers might just be a blip but they could also be a trend and India especially is showing great potential in the mid tier zones.
Yeah, Eric Schmidt predicted that 5 year ago and it still hasn't happened.
Developers aren't going to flock to the platform that makes them a fraction of the money they get from iOS. Despite this "injection of capable phones", iOS still leads in all metrics that matter by a factor of 4-6x (depending on what you're measuring).
It's absolutely embarrassing that Android can have so many devices yet not be able to monetize them as well as Apple. They truly are the McDonalds of mobile.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Ah, the old "I haven't heard of any incidents so they must not be happening" argument. How do you know? Do you think malware is advertising "Hey, I just installed myself onto your device. Don't worry, I'll sit here in the background and won't cause any trouble." Just because WannaCry is asking for money, and therefore is highly visible, doesn't mean that all malware does this. Most of it just sits there and collects data, hoping to find something useful. This is how things like credit card fraud or identity theft happen. Months later when someone discovers fraud, do you think they connect the dots to that time they ordered something online on their mobile device?
Windows XP was terrible for this. I myself never had any issues, but family members did. I would go update their computer for them or install some new software and wonder why it was so slow or why a certain home page would come up when starting a browser. Turns out they had a virus and they weren't even aware of it. This is how it is with most people - they don't even know something is wrong.
All this time debating with you over the years and I never realized you were a religious person. Don't ever lose faith sir. It can happen. It MUST happen. Really.
Someday you might actually be right.
Maybe...
Someday.
At least I tell the truth, unlike others on this site who intentionally word their statements (lies) to not quite sound so obviously like a lie.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Ah, the old "I haven't heard of any incidents so they must not be happening" argument. How do you know? Do you think malware is advertising "Hey, I just installed myself onto your device. Don't worry, I'll sit here in the background and won't cause any trouble." Just because WannaCry is asking for money, and therefore is highly visible, doesn't mean that all malware does this. Most of it just sits there and collects data, hoping to find something useful. This is how things like credit card fraud or identity theft happen. Months later when someone discovers fraud, do you think they connect the dots to that time they ordered something online on their mobile device?
Windows XP was terrible for this. I myself never had any issues, but family members did. I would go update their computer for them or install some new software and wonder why it was so slow or why a certain home page would come up when starting a browser. Turns out they had a virus and they weren't even aware of it. This is how it is with most people - they don't even know something is wrong.
All this time debating with you over the years and I never realized you were a religious person. Don't ever lose faith sir. It can happen. It MUST happen. Really.
Someday you might actually be right.
Maybe...
Someday.
At least I tell the truth, unlike others on this site who intentionally word their statements (lies) to not quite sound so obviously like a lie.
Platform consistency is critical for app development. It's akin to the console vs. PC model. When console game developers know they have x million users on an identically spec'd hardware platform and can deliver an identical experience to that audience they invest (and conserve resources that otherwise would be spent tweaking drivers, multi resolutions, optimizing for specific graphics hardware, etc). By the end of this year the iPhone base of active handsets will nearly all be 64bit, capable of running iOS 11 (and the majority of devices will be updated to the latest software), with very capable and consistent memory, screens, graphics, CPU & IO subsystems. This will provide a ripe platform for great app development. Whereas the fragmented Android market will consist of significantly different OS versions, different CPUs, graphic subsystems and capabilities, memory, screen resolutions, etc. Just like PCs that have many different hardware vendors - Android will have software compatibility issues, endless updates, and different user experiences depending on the device.
That's great for developers and will save them some time and money but they will still be writing for Android and dealing with the issues all the same.
Q1-17 saw the $400+ handset market shrink but the same period saw the $300-399 segment grow by nearly 50%.
This coincides with some Android manufacturers selling higher numbers of premium and the so-called 'affordable premium' phones.
It seems that there has been an injection of capable phones onto the market and by definition, very few of them were iOS phones. That, combined with the relatively small iOS share should see many developers pursuing Android development in spite of the drawbacks of having to deal with the issues resulting from different hardware, bugs etc.
The Q1 numbers might just be a blip but they could also be a trend and India especially is showing great potential in the mid tier zones.
Yeah, Eric Schmidt predicted that 5 year ago and it still hasn't happened.
Developers aren't going to flock to the platform that makes them a fraction of the money they get from iOS. Despite this "injection of capable phones", iOS still leads in all metrics that matter by a factor of 4-6x (depending on what you're measuring).
It's absolutely embarrassing that Android can have so many devices yet not be able to monetize them as well as Apple. They truly are the McDonalds of mobile.
Who knows?
The analysis showed a slow down at the very low end and at the top end while the affordable premium went through the roof. Putting absolute numbers aside for a moment, it is definitely a plus for Android manufacturers. This current quarter is typically slow but towards the end of the year we are likely to see some of the fiercest competition ever in the mid to high end. And not just great phones that ship in low volume due to manufacturing limitations but phones from manufacturers that are able to ship in huge volume. If consumers see that they can get great phones without paying a fortune, the Q117 situation might even pick up steam.
Developers don't need to flock to Android. They are already there.
As for monetising Android, Google does very well and monetises iOS too. As for profits, well people try to manufacturer without making a loss and most do well enough out of it. App stores are also doing well.
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
1. Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 edge, S7 Active
2. HTC 10
3. LG G5
4. Sony Xperia X Premium, XZ
5. One Plus 3, 3T
6. Xiaomi MI 5, 5s
7. TCL Blackberry DTEK 60
8. Google Pixel, Pixel XL
9. Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
10. Moto Z/Z Force
11. Huawei Mate 9
12. Huawei P9/P9 Plus
13. LG V20
14. Huawei Honor 8
15. Vivo XPlay 6
16. Xiaomi MI Note 2
17. Lenovo Zuk Z2
You can add the LG G6, Samsung S8/S8 Plus, HTC U11, ZTE Axon 7, Xiaomi Mi6...
Except for ZTE Axon 7, all the devices are released in 2017. I clearly mentioned 2016 in the year.
Yes sir you did, but the OP wasn't restricting it to 2016. I wasn't trying to offend you, simply adding more information to the excellent list you began.
Agreed. Then I can add the below devices to the list.
18. ZTE Axon 7
19. ZTE Nubia 9
20. Huawei Honor Magic
21. Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+/S8 Active
22. HTC U Ultra
23. HTU U11
24. LG G6
25. Sony Xperia XZs
26. Sony Xperia XZ Premium
27. Xiaomi MI 6
28. One Plus 5 (About to be released)
29. Moto Z2/Z2 Force (About to be released)
30. Huawei Honor 9
Okay, great. Now you can tally sales numbers to actually make your point.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
At some point you might be at least half-right. Or maybe not. Doesn't that same opinion get repeated here every month, and for as long as I can remember? STAGEFRIGHT!! The malware that wasn't.
I was under the impression that the main reason nothing much happened was BECAUSE everybody scrambled - I mean, I couldn't use MMS for weeks because my cellular provider had completely locked down the service until they figured out how to block the attack vector.
Sort of like with Y2k - it was hugely anticlimactic, but only because millions of people were in total overdrive where you couldn't see them.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
It has been that way for last 5-6 years!!! Can you please point out to a huge security disaster which has impacted millions of Android users in the last 5-6 years?
Not millions but in The Netherlands there is a TV show about scams and they talked about ransomeware on PC and smartphone and all the infected phones whre androids. And this was in The Netherlands only. So who knows how many there are worldwide?
If you search "iPhone ransomware" you can find report where only the iPhone is mentioned. Ransomware is platform agnostic. It requires a little help from users. A TV program that didn't show a picture of an iPhone is hardly evidence that only Android users can be impacted by it.
Ransomware is "platform-agnostic"??? What bullshit is this?
Ransomware isn't some stupid pop-up dialog in a browser that can be eliminated by relaunching the browser and closing the tab before it loads.
Ransomware is software that needs to run on the device, and that requires access to the hardware in order to encrypt data. There is absolutely nothing "platform-agnostic" about it.
The single instance of ransomware on iOS only affected jailbroken devices. There is no ransomware for any stock iOS.
What I can't really see for Google in the Future is that with AR def going to become mainstream and very useful in the next few year, Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has. There really not that many Premium Android phones being sold with good specs to push the tech forward, and this is going to be more and more of a problem for Android. I really think this is why Google has to come back out with The Pixel last year. They really do need there own high end phone to sell well or I just do see a way out for them. Samsung as well is not selling many premium phones either, although from the articles and the media you would think the S7 or S8 sell in iPhone numbers when in reality its not even close
I think you're underestimating the number of capable Android handsets being sold across multiple vendors. While one single one may pale in comparison to Apple overall numbers, add up the sales of highly-spec'd smartphones from dozens of Android OEM's and I think there may actually be MORE "premium" hardware (even if not premium-priced) Android smartphones being sold than there are very-recent Apple iPhones.
Highly doubt it. iPhone outsells Samsung flagships by almost 4:1. And Samsung is the number one vendor of Android flagships.
One of hundreds...
Then it should be easy for you to list, say, 20 devices?
I'm curious why iOS dominates Android in usage metrics that coincide with those using a high-end device (App downloads/revenues, online/mobile shopping revenues, banking/payments). There's a correlation between the capabilities of a device (high-end vs low-end) and the metrics I mentioned. We all know people buying $50 phones aren't spending money on Apps or content. So if there were as many (or more, as you claim) higher end Android devices, then how come they aren't showing up in any real-world metrics?
Even I can list 20 devices, but I also believe they all don't add up to iPhones sales in a month/quarter/year, so it is not worth it. As I have said earlier, my guess is about 2:1 in favor of iphones. Agreed with you on all other points.
Edit: Never mind, here is the list for you with list of high-end devices (high end SoCs like SD 820/821, Kirin 950/960) launched in 2016.
1. Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 edge, S7 Active
2. HTC 10
3. LG G5
4. Sony Xperia X Premium, XZ
5. One Plus 3, 3T
6. Xiaomi MI 5, 5s
7. TCL Blackberry DTEK 60
8. Google Pixel, Pixel XL
9. Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
10. Moto Z/Z Force
11. Huawei Mate 9
12. Huawei P9/P9 Plus
13. LG V20
14. Huawei Honor 8
15. Vivo XPlay 6
16. Xiaomi MI Note 2
17. Lenovo Zuk Z2
You can add the LG G6, Samsung S8/S8 Plus, HTC U11, ZTE Axon 7, Xiaomi Mi6...
Except for ZTE Axon 7, all the devices are released in 2017. I clearly mentioned 2016 in the year.
Yes sir you did, but the OP wasn't restricting it to 2016. I wasn't trying to offend you, simply adding more information to the excellent list you began.
Agreed. Then I can add the below devices to the list.
18. ZTE Axon 7
19. ZTE Nubia 9
20. Huawei Honor Magic
21. Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+/S8 Active
22. HTC U Ultra
23. HTU U11
24. LG G6
25. Sony Xperia XZs
26. Sony Xperia XZ Premium
27. Xiaomi MI 6
28. One Plus 5 (About to be released)
29. Moto Z2/Z2 Force (About to be released)
30. Huawei Honor 9
Okay, great. Now you can tally sales numbers to actually make your point.
This was the original point:
"Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has."
Gatorguy then originally said that tallying up the premium hardware but not necessarily premium price Android phones might leave more capable Android phones than iPhones.
One point was an absolute, the other a possibility. He later clarified his comments.
Then the 20 phones list popped up.
I don't know if the information is available to tally up the numbers on the listed phones and don't know which way things would go.
Either way, if we want to ask someone to give real numbers, then the onus should be on the person that made the absolute statement.
I doubt anyone would deny that the final figure would be very high, though.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Wrong! The security and vulnerability for Android users is called ANDROID OS. Google is the one sucking up all your data and selling all it knows about you to the highest bidder.
Android OS has normalised spyware so people think it's what an OS is all about. Private it ain't. Security? hahaha... especially all those old versions of Android that will never get security updates.
And exactly what data does Google sell?
Google sells ads. Google knows which ads appeal to which types of user. In selling ads to people, Google is effectively selling information about its users that it has gleaned from all of their online activity, their searches, phone usage, app usage, even physical world movements via GPS, Google Lens imagery, etc etc etc.
Google presumably isn't selling personally identifiable data about YOU to me.
But to naively suggest Google isn't selling effectively selling all the user data it can to make money is like telling me that cats don't like to chase or that Windows doesn't get viruses.
Fractured installed base easy prey for malware, viri and hacking. A huge security disaster for Android users is an inevitability...
Yet we don’t hear much about Android users getting pwned do we? When have we heard about a WannaCry style attack on Android users that resulted in carnage? Plenty of reports about this or that vulnerability that could result in such an attack but nothing major has actually happened. Look, I’m a rabid iOS fanboy but even I can understand that a lot of this security and vulnerability FUD about Android just hasn’t happened... yet. Same goes for iOS.
Wrong! The security and vulnerability for Android users is called ANDROID OS. Google is the one sucking up all your data and selling all it knows about you to the highest bidder.
Android OS has normalised spyware so people think it's what an OS is all about. Private it ain't. Security? hahaha... especially all those old versions of Android that will never get security updates.
And exactly what data does Google sell?
Google sells ads. Google knows which ads appeal to which types of user. In selling ads to people, Google is effectively selling information about its users that it has gleaned from all of their online activity, their searches, phone usage, app usage, even physical world movements via GPS, Google Lens imagery, etc etc etc.
Google presumably isn't selling personally identifiable data about YOU to me.
But to naively suggest Google isn't selling effectively selling all the user data it can to make money is like telling me that cats don't like to chase or that Windows doesn't get viruses.
Thank Goodness that after several years they decided not to sell a whole lot more thru their previous effort to sell their users (iAD). Yeah they weren't very good at selling data but it wasn't for a lack of trying, right?
You might re-think your idea that an ad placement is the same as selling your data, much like credit bureaus, banks and insurers actually do. I suspect most people can tell the difference even if you'd like not to depending on who you are discussing, and I guarantee one way to rile up Apple users is to tell them Apple is selling user data.
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Except for ZTE Axon 7, all the devices are released in 2017. I clearly mentioned 2016 in the year.
Agreed. Then I can add the below devices to the list.
18. ZTE Axon 7
19. ZTE Nubia 9
20. Huawei Honor Magic
21. Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+/S8 Active
22. HTC U Ultra
23. HTU U11
24. LG G6
25. Sony Xperia XZs
26. Sony Xperia XZ Premium
27. Xiaomi MI 6
28. One Plus 5 (About to be released)
29. Moto Z2/Z2 Force (About to be released)
30. Huawei Honor 9
Yeah, Eric Schmidt predicted that 5 year ago and it still hasn't happened.
Developers aren't going to flock to the platform that makes them a fraction of the money they get from iOS. Despite this "injection of capable phones", iOS still leads in all metrics that matter by a factor of 4-6x (depending on what you're measuring).
It's absolutely embarrassing that Android can have so many devices yet not be able to monetize them as well as Apple. They truly are the McDonalds of mobile.
At least I tell the truth, unlike others on this site who intentionally word their statements (lies) to not quite sound so obviously like a lie.
The analysis showed a slow down at the very low end and at the top end while the affordable premium went through the roof. Putting absolute numbers aside for a moment, it is definitely a plus for Android manufacturers. This current quarter is typically slow but towards the end of the year we are likely to see some of the fiercest competition ever in the mid to high end. And not just great phones that ship in low volume due to manufacturing limitations but phones from manufacturers that are able to ship in huge volume. If consumers see that they can get great phones without paying a fortune, the Q117 situation might even pick up steam.
Developers don't need to flock to Android. They are already there.
As for monetising Android, Google does very well and monetises iOS too. As for profits, well people try to manufacturer without making a loss and most do well enough out of it. App stores are also doing well.
Sort of like with Y2k - it was hugely anticlimactic, but only because millions of people were in total overdrive where you couldn't see them.
Ransomware isn't some stupid pop-up dialog in a browser that can be eliminated by relaunching the browser and closing the tab before it loads.
Ransomware is software that needs to run on the device, and that requires access to the hardware in order to encrypt data. There is absolutely nothing "platform-agnostic" about it.
The single instance of ransomware on iOS only affected jailbroken devices. There is no ransomware for any stock iOS.
At all.
"Android just doesn't have the premium phones in numbers like Apple has."
Gatorguy then originally said that tallying up the premium hardware but not necessarily premium price Android phones might leave more capable Android phones than iPhones.
One point was an absolute, the other a possibility. He later clarified his comments.
Then the 20 phones list popped up.
I don't know if the information is available to tally up the numbers on the listed phones and don't know which way things would go.
Either way, if we want to ask someone to give real numbers, then the onus should be on the person that made the absolute statement.
I doubt anyone would deny that the final figure would be very high, though.
Google presumably isn't selling personally identifiable data about YOU to me.
But to naively suggest Google isn't selling effectively selling all the user data it can to make money is like telling me that cats don't like to chase or that Windows doesn't get viruses.
Good luck with that.
https://searchads.apple.com/how-it-works/
Thank Goodness that after several years they decided not to sell a whole lot more thru their previous effort to sell their users (iAD). Yeah they weren't very good at selling data but it wasn't for a lack of trying, right?
You might re-think your idea that an ad placement is the same as selling your data, much like credit bureaus, banks and insurers actually do. I suspect most people can tell the difference even if you'd like not to depending on who you are discussing, and I guarantee one way to rile up Apple users is to tell them Apple is selling user data.