Wow, thats brutal. Looks like the Note 8 is set at a lower resolution? If not, thats embarrassing.
And whats all this FUD about Android cameras "surpassing" the iPhone in the last couple years, and that Apple is now "behind"? All bullshit, as usual.
Wow the 8+ image stabilization appears to be far superior to the Galaxy.
Indeed. Galaxy Note 8 looks like a in-progress earthquake in comparison.
Don't care for Consumer Reports, DisplayMate or DxO tests, regardless of whether an Apple device gets good or bad reviews.
But knowing how many Android fanboys/Apple haters are going to be livid over this kinda makes me smile. Combine this with the benchmark tests of the A11 and the nerds be ragin' hard tonight.
Dxomark is likely much better today since they updated the test procedures and metrics.
The previous test pretty much ignored computational imaging with multiple image sensors. They are in the process of retesting many devices, and finally got around to testing the iPhone 7 Plus.
They days of large aperture, single sensor smartphones topping dxomark is pretty much over.
If you understood how DxO makes it's living you might better appreciate why they don't test every camera, and why some seem to get more attention than others.
HINT: DxO sells "consulting services" and related camera optimization software called DxO Analyzer. If a camera manufacturer follows their advice, tweaking their camera software here and there it follows that it should do very well on the DxOMark score since it's based on what is suggested in DxOAnalyzer.
I brought that up when the Pixel topped last year's ratings so I'm not suddenly turning on them or changing any opinion I previously offered when Apple was NOT on the top of their rankings.
What exactly does this have to do with my comments?
Apple, nor any other manufacturer for that matter, would have known of the new test procedures, since they didn't exist prior to a few days before the new iPhone announcements. Manufacturers would have been building their imaging systems based on their own internal development and testing.
It has everything to do with your comments. DxOAnalyzer is meant to maximize the DxOMark test scores and utilizing whatever test equipment/procedures DxO deems important. That's why they are paid by camera/smartphone companies for their consulting services, making recommendations on how to best optimize results matched to their test equipment.
By the way if they did not test the iPhone7 Plus last year it was most likely because Apple made the choice of not submitting it for testing rather than they "didn't get around to it". If Apple felt published results for the 7Plus were important they would have paid DxO to test and Dxo would have done so.
Did you miss that fact that there is a new procedure?
"So how much have Apple sponsored you to change your ratings towards zoom and bokeh? Such convenient timing."
"If Apple was sponsoring them they wouldn't have waited nearly a year to review the iPhone 7 Plus, and they wouldn't have changed their methodology from one that ties the 7 Plus and the Pixel to one that favours the Pixel over the 7 Plus. If anything it seems like Google sponsored them to keep the Pixel at the top of the ratings for months while they casually ignoring the 7 Plus for almost a year."
It even explains why the iPhone 7 Plus was one of the first to be tested with it.
Dxomark is likely much better today since they updated the test procedures and metrics.
The previous test pretty much ignored computational imaging with multiple image sensors. They are in the process of retesting many devices, and finally got around to testing the iPhone 7 Plus.
They days of large aperture, single sensor smartphones topping dxomark is pretty much over.
If you understood how DxO makes it's living you might better appreciate why they don't test every camera, and why some seem to get more attention than others.
HINT: DxO sells "consulting services" and related camera optimization software called DxO Analyzer. If a camera manufacturer follows their advice, tweaking their camera software here and there it follows that it should do very well on the DxOMark score since it's based on what is suggested in DxOAnalyzer.
I brought that up when the Pixel topped last year's ratings so I'm not suddenly turning on them or changing any opinion I previously offered when Apple was NOT on the top of their rankings.
What exactly does this have to do with my comments?
Apple, nor any other manufacturer for that matter, would have known of the new test procedures, since they didn't exist prior to a few days before the new iPhone announcements. Manufacturers would have been building their imaging systems based on their own internal development and testing.
It has everything to do with your comments. DxOAnalyzer is meant to maximize the DxOMark test scores and utilizing whatever test equipment/procedures DxO deems important. That's why they are paid by camera/smartphone companies for their consulting services, making recommendations on how to best optimize results matched to their test equipment.
By the way if they did not test the iPhone7 Plus last year it was most likely because Apple made the choice of not submitting it for testing rather than they "didn't get around to it". If Apple felt published results for the 7Plus were important they would have paid DxO to test and Dxo would have done so.
Did you miss that fact that there is a new procedure?
"So how much have Apple sponsored you to change your ratings towards zoom and bokeh? Such convenient timing."
"If Apple was sponsoring them they wouldn't have waited nearly a year to review the iPhone 7 Plus, and they wouldn't have changed their methodology from one that ties the 7 Plus and the Pixel to one that favours the Pixel over the 7 Plus. If anything it seems like Google sponsored them to keep the Pixel at the top of the ratings for months while they casually ignoring the 7 Plus for almost a year."
It even explains why the iPhone 7 Plus was one of the first to be tested with it.
You really need to get a grip on reality.
IMO Apple was not "surprised" by new unexpected test procedures.
Apple takes very few chances with announcing or marketing a product and NOT paying DxO for consulting services despite DxO recommending it before submitting a particular camera for tests would be taking an unneeded and unwise chance. Apple is anal about "controlling the message" as you are well aware of, and as well they should be. DxO would have advised consulting customers on whatever tests they should expect (that's part of what they are paid for), especially if were something new, and I have zero doubt Apple is smart enough to take them up on the offer.
Dxomark is likely much better today since they updated the test procedures and metrics.
The previous test pretty much ignored computational imaging with multiple image sensors. They are in the process of retesting many devices, and finally got around to testing the iPhone 7 Plus.
They days of large aperture, single sensor smartphones topping dxomark is pretty much over.
If you understood how DxO makes it's living you might better appreciate why they don't test every camera, and why some seem to get more attention than others.
HINT: DxO sells "consulting services" and related camera optimization software called DxO Analyzer. If a camera manufacturer follows their advice, tweaking their camera software here and there it follows that it should do very well on the DxOMark score since it's based on what is suggested in DxOAnalyzer.
I brought that up when the Pixel topped last year's ratings so I'm not suddenly turning on them or changing any opinion I previously offered when Apple was NOT on the top of their rankings.
What exactly does this have to do with my comments?
Apple, nor any other manufacturer for that matter, would have known of the new test procedures, since they didn't exist prior to a few days before the new iPhone announcements. Manufacturers would have been building their imaging systems based on their own internal development and testing.
It has everything to do with your comments. DxOAnalyzer is meant to maximize the DxOMark test scores and utilizing whatever test equipment/procedures DxO deems important. That's why they are paid by camera/smartphone companies for their consulting services, making recommendations on how to best optimize results matched to their test equipment.
By the way if they did not test the iPhone7 Plus last year it was most likely because Apple made the choice of not submitting it for testing rather than they "didn't get around to it". If Apple felt published results for the 7Plus were important they would have paid DxO to test and Dxo would have done so.
Did you miss that fact that there is a new procedure?
"So how much have Apple sponsored you to change your ratings towards zoom and bokeh? Such convenient timing."
"If Apple was sponsoring them they wouldn't have waited nearly a year to review the iPhone 7 Plus, and they wouldn't have changed their methodology from one that ties the 7 Plus and the Pixel to one that favours the Pixel over the 7 Plus. If anything it seems like Google sponsored them to keep the Pixel at the top of the ratings for months while they casually ignoring the 7 Plus for almost a year."
It even explains why the iPhone 7 Plus was one of the first to be tested with it.
You really need to get a grip on reality.
Apple was not "surprised" by new unexpected test procedures. Apple takes very few chances and NOT paying DxO for consulting services despite DxO recommending it before submitting a particular iPhone model for camera tests would be taking an unneeded chance. Apple is anal about "controlling the message" as you are well aware of, and as well they should be.
picture quality look better and brighter on the right side, much clearer details in the video. Video is shakier though while walking, the OIS is better on the left video but its much darker and less detailed.
The truth is the only competition the iPhone 8 has is the iPhone X.
If the iPhone 6 series was fastest and the iPhone 7 series was fastest and the iPhone 8 series is fastest but Android phones - including some very expensive ones - still shift in enough numbers to leave Apple's numbers in the dust, why is it goodbye Android?
Something seems to be off in your reasoning or are saying this year will be the year to buck that trend?
What will you say if this time next year if Android is still leaving Apple in the dust?
Sog's point is correct; Apple really only competes with itself in its own ecosystem. There are very few people that migrate from Apple's ecosystem to Android OS, so in fact, there is very little actual external competition for the existing customer, hence why Apple's base "magically" grows every year. The media, on the other hand, has a vested interest in the "horserace", so it's always about competing with Apple.
You also seem to be ignoring the "arms" race going on. Apple will be one of the survivors, as will Google, Samsung, and one of the Chinese companies. Everybody else will fall behind because they can't afford to make the devices that people want and also make the money that they need to keep developing. The result is more of the commodity race to the bottom.
You also fail to note that Apple will still likely retain 80% of the profits in smartphones, Samsung 15% and other, 5%. Nobody gives a shit about marketshare once you have the numbers for optimum production, which Apple certainly has.
Lather, rinse, repeat, every fracking year.
So why the 'goodbye Android' comment if Apple is only competing with itself and Apple's share really hasn't moved on a world scale?
Also, apropos of nothing I’d like to know why AAPL has fallen $14 from the recent peak. It’s nuts.
Because Apple is selling millions and millions of iPhone 8’s and iPhone 8 Plus, and millions of AppleWatch Series 4’s and making billions and billions of dollars, blowing away anaylysts and Wall Streets predictions. You should know how Wall Street works by now.
Dxomark is likely much better today since they updated the test procedures and metrics.
The previous test pretty much ignored computational imaging with multiple image sensors. They are in the process of retesting many devices, and finally got around to testing the iPhone 7 Plus.
They days of large aperture, single sensor smartphones topping dxomark is pretty much over.
If you understood how DxO makes it's living you might better appreciate why they don't test every camera, and why some seem to get more attention than others.
HINT: DxO sells "consulting services" and related camera optimization software called DxO Analyzer. If a camera manufacturer follows their advice, tweaking their camera software here and there it follows that it should do very well on the DxOMark score since it's based on what is suggested in DxOAnalyzer.
I brought that up when the Pixel topped last year's ratings so I'm not suddenly turning on them or changing any opinion I previously offered when Apple was NOT on the top of their rankings.
What exactly does this have to do with my comments?
Apple, nor any other manufacturer for that matter, would have known of the new test procedures, since they didn't exist prior to a few days before the new iPhone announcements. Manufacturers would have been building their imaging systems based on their own internal development and testing.
It has everything to do with your comments. DxOAnalyzer is meant to maximize the DxOMark test scores and utilizing whatever test equipment/procedures DxO deems important. That's why they are paid by camera/smartphone companies for their consulting services, making recommendations on how to best optimize results matched to their test equipment.
By the way if they did not test the iPhone7 Plus last year it was most likely because Apple made the choice of not submitting it for testing rather than they "didn't get around to it". If Apple felt published results for the 7Plus were important they would have paid DxO to test and Dxo would have done so.
Did you miss that fact that there is a new procedure?
The new testing procedures using new test equipment would have been available to Apple or any other company paying for DxO services since at least August when the latest version of Analyzer was publically made available, so no it's not so new that Apple would have been blind-sided. What's the likelihood that Apple is a customer of DxO's? According to the company "all top smartphone and camera module makers are DxO Analyzer customers", so unless Apple isn't a top smartphone maker....
The truth is the only competition the iPhone 8 has is the iPhone X.
If the iPhone 6 series was fastest and the iPhone 7 series was fastest and the iPhone 8 series is fastest but Android phones - including some very expensive ones - still shift in enough numbers to leave Apple's numbers in the dust, why is it goodbye Android?
Something seems to be off in your reasoning or are saying this year will be the year to buck that trend?
What will you say if this time next year if Android is still leaving Apple in the dust?
There is no 'still' leaving Apple in any dust. You'd have to be deliberately obtuse to not realize that the bottom line in business is not about who ships the most commodity-priced units. Otherwise KMart would have been seen as king of women's handbags over the likes of, say, Coach. But you already know all this, don't you?
Oh, yes I know it but that isn't the question.
'Goodbye Android' means Android. All Android.
My point was that if nothing has changed over the last few years - in spite of the differences - why should it suddenly change now?
The people in the low end market will continue in the low end market. The people in the mid ground will probably stay there too. If little to nothing is likely to change, why 'goodbye Android'?
And Apple is effectively frozen for the next 12 months now. Android hasn't even finished rolling out its flagship camera phones this year, let alone next year when there will be another wave for MWC Barcelona 2018.
It's very unlikely that the Pixel 2 and Mate 10 are going to take anything less than amazing photos because their other lines are already taking great photos.
Dxomark is likely much better today since they updated the test procedures and metrics.
The previous test pretty much ignored computational imaging with multiple image sensors. They are in the process of retesting many devices, and finally got around to testing the iPhone 7 Plus.
They days of large aperture, single sensor smartphones topping dxomark is pretty much over.
If you understood how DxO makes it's living you might better appreciate why they don't test every camera, and why some seem to get more attention than others.
HINT: DxO sells "consulting services" and related camera optimization software called DxO Analyzer. If a camera manufacturer follows their advice, tweaking their camera software here and there it follows that it should do very well on the DxOMark score since it's based on what is suggested in DxOAnalyzer.
I brought that up when the Pixel topped last year's ratings so I'm not suddenly turning on them or changing any opinion I previously offered when Apple was NOT on the top of their rankings.
Apple competitor has been caught submitting products with things turned off in order for the score looks better.
Dxomark is likely much better today since they updated the test procedures and metrics.
The previous test pretty much ignored computational imaging with multiple image sensors. They are in the process of retesting many devices, and finally got around to testing the iPhone 7 Plus.
They days of large aperture, single sensor smartphones topping dxomark is pretty much over.
If you understood how DxO makes it's living you might better appreciate why they don't test every camera, and why some seem to get more attention than others.
HINT: DxO sells "consulting services" and related camera optimization software called DxO Analyzer. If a camera manufacturer follows their advice, tweaking their camera software here and there it follows that it should do very well on the DxOMark score since it's based on what is suggested in DxOAnalyzer.
I brought that up when the Pixel topped last year's ratings so I'm not suddenly turning on them or changing any opinion I previously offered when Apple was NOT on the top of their rankings.
What exactly does this have to do with my comments?
Apple, nor any other manufacturer for that matter, would have known of the new test procedures, since they didn't exist prior to a few days before the new iPhone announcements. Manufacturers would have been building their imaging systems based on their own internal development and testing.
It has everything to do with your comments. DxOAnalyzer is meant to maximize the DxOMark test scores and utilizing whatever test equipment/procedures DxO deems important. That's why they are paid by camera/smartphone companies for their consulting services, making recommendations on how to best optimize results matched to their test equipment.
By the way if they did not test the iPhone7 Plus last year it was most likely because Apple made the choice of not submitting it for testing rather than they "didn't get around to it". If Apple felt published results for the 7Plus were important they would have paid DxO to test and Dxo would have done so.
I'm not saying the most recent iPhone camera's aren't the best available in a smartphone, anymore than I said last year's Pixel was not. But actual results in your hand, and under multiple conditions are all that should matter. DxOMark scores are not necessarily "unbiased". You have no idea and no way to find out whether a particular camera was tweaked by DxO during "consultancy" before being submitted for testing or not. Therefor their comparison scoring can always be suspect.... and TBH what really separates a camera rated at 92 from a camera rated at 91?
If you love your camera, it's easy to use, and the results please both you and your audience it matters not what it's DxO score was, and in the case of iPhone owners that's what they experience. iPhone cameras have always been great, you don't Need DxO to tell you that...
...but DxO for obvious business reasons will try to be convincing you and more importantly the camera manufacturers it wants to sell its services to that the 1 point really REALLY matters and with DxO's help they can close that 1 point gap if not better it. Publically promoted DxOMark scores make a great cattle-prod for leading camera manufacturers to their consulting services.
Just to emphasize one of your points. What counts is the quality of the camera you have in your hand and pretty much all of the recent high end phones do an amazing job.
If I put up a gallery of photos straight out of the camera from a variety of different smartphone brands, I wonder how many would be able to say 'hey, that's a photo taken with an iPhone' or how many would prefer not to say anything for fear of choosing something that wasn't from an iPhone.
The point is that, while it may be nice to know this or that camera can do this or that very well, it really isn't a deciding factor for most high end buyers these days (and not for many lower end buyers either)
The truth is the only competition the iPhone 8 has is the iPhone X.
"Goodbye Android?" Hardly. It's not going to improve iPhone sales so Android smartphones will continue to sell in ever higher quantities. Most consumers don't care about quality and are mostly interested in paying less for a so-so product. You should realize by now that even the cheapest Android smartphones are suitable enough for most consumers.
Don't care for Consumer Reports, DisplayMate or DxO tests, regardless of whether an Apple device gets good or bad reviews.
But knowing how many Android fanboys/Apple haters are going to be livid over this kinda makes me smile. Combine this with the benchmark tests of the A11 and the nerds be ragin' hard tonight.
picture quality look better and brighter on the right side, much clearer details in the video. Video is shakier though while walking, the OIS is better on the left video but its much darker and less detailed.
The right side is washed with excessive light because of the f/1.7 aperture. Excessive light also destroys color accuracy, look at the red lamp far inside, the red is completely washed in the right side. Although iPhone 8 Plus aperture is close (f/1.8) we see no sign of excessive light. Bad management of light just ruins your photography. When I instantly zoom in with the pinch gesture on my Mac when the video is playing I see more details on the left, right is full of large swaths of blurred pixels.
Also, apropos of nothing I’d like to know why AAPL has fallen $14 from the recent peak. It’s nuts.
Because Apple is selling millions and millions of iPhone 8’s and iPhone 8 Plus, and millions of AppleWatch Series 4’s and making billions and billions of dollars, blowing away anaylysts and Wall Streets predictions. You should know how Wall Street works by now.
Also, apropos of nothing I’d like to know why AAPL has fallen $14 from the recent peak. It’s nuts.
I don't think you'll ever be able to find out. The stock market is rather unfathomable. However, we had been warned there would be an Apple sell-off or correction coming and it certainly did happen. I've looked long and hard to see if I could find a trigger point but whatever it is, it only seems to negatively affect Apple while other tech stocks are rolling merrily along. It's not a bad thing if you have the confidence in Apple to buy Apple stock right now while others are selling. Apple will likely recover to higher levels and you'll be ahead of the game. I also think Apple's sell-off is nuts but there is an opportunity for you to take advantage of the nuttiness.
Don't care for Consumer Reports, DisplayMate or DxO tests, regardless of whether an Apple device gets good or bad reviews.
But knowing how many Android fanboys/Apple haters are going to be livid over this kinda makes me smile. Combine this with the benchmark tests of the A11 and the nerds be ragin' hard tonight.
This.
And some Apple fans were livid last year when according to DxO their smartphone camera's were rated at the top of the heap. All because of some data-point published by a for profit consulting company. Who really cares unless you're sitting around argung with someone for brownie points. In actual use it really matters little.
Personally I like to look at the ratings as a general guide, and when looking at DSLR's I'm generally interested more in certain specific measurements, but a DxO score has never made me choose one camera over another. IMHO it's simply a bragging point for fans of those on top of the heap and a DxO marketing tool to shame camera manufacturers into paying for Analyzer software so they don't show up on the bottom of that same heap.
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But knowing how many Android fanboys/Apple haters are going to be livid over this kinda makes me smile. Combine this with the benchmark tests of the A11 and the nerds be ragin' hard tonight.
https://www.dxomark.com/introducing-the-new-dxomark-mobile-test-protocol/
and read the comments below that,
"So how much have Apple sponsored you to change your ratings towards zoom and bokeh? Such convenient timing."
"If Apple was sponsoring them they wouldn't have waited nearly a year to review the iPhone 7 Plus, and they wouldn't have changed their methodology from one that ties the 7 Plus and the Pixel to one that favours the Pixel over the 7 Plus. If anything it seems like Google sponsored them to keep the Pixel at the top of the ratings for months while they casually ignoring the 7 Plus for almost a year."
It even explains why the iPhone 7 Plus was one of the first to be tested with it.
You really need to get a grip on reality.
Good thing processor companies don't think like this. Otherwise we'd all still be using PCs with a 486 processor and 4MB RAM.
Apple takes very few chances with announcing or marketing a product and NOT paying DxO for consulting services despite DxO recommending it before submitting a particular camera for tests would be taking an unneeded and unwise chance. Apple is anal about "controlling the message" as you are well aware of, and as well they should be. DxO would have advised consulting customers on whatever tests they should expect (that's part of what they are paid for), especially if were something new, and I have zero doubt Apple is smart enough to take them up on the offer.
'Goodbye Android' means Android. All Android.
My point was that if nothing has changed over the last few years - in spite of the differences - why should it suddenly change now?
The people in the low end market will continue in the low end market. The people in the mid ground will probably stay there too. If little to nothing is likely to change, why 'goodbye Android'?
And Apple is effectively frozen for the next 12 months now. Android hasn't even finished rolling out its flagship camera phones this year, let alone next year when there will be another wave for MWC Barcelona 2018.
It's very unlikely that the Pixel 2 and Mate 10 are going to take anything less than amazing photos because their other lines are already taking great photos.
If I put up a gallery of photos straight out of the camera from a variety of different smartphone brands, I wonder how many would be able to say 'hey, that's a photo taken with an iPhone' or how many would prefer not to say anything for fear of choosing something that wasn't from an iPhone.
The point is that, while it may be nice to know this or that camera can do this or that very well, it really isn't a deciding factor for most high end buyers these days (and not for many lower end buyers either)
An example:
http://www.photobyrichard.com/reviewbyrichard/huawei-p10-camera-review/
Reviewed by a photographer.
Personally I like to look at the ratings as a general guide, and when looking at DSLR's I'm generally interested more in certain specific measurements, but a DxO score has never made me choose one camera over another. IMHO it's simply a bragging point for fans of those on top of the heap and a DxO marketing tool to shame camera manufacturers into paying for Analyzer software so they don't show up on the bottom of that same heap.