That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
I mean that might work in the US, going alone, but not in most of Europe. They will have to partner there, although proof of concept might help a partnership.
That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
Yeah after their google partnership and having their iPhone stolen, Apple is pretty much done with partnerships. Too risky and too much greed and betrayal.
That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
Yeah after their google partnership and having their iPhone stolen, Apple is pretty much done with partnerships. Too risky and too much greed and betrayal.
Um, Didi, IBM, Accenture, Cisco, Nike, Standford, Salesforce, Nuance, Ohio State University, Deloitte, etc. Apple partners all the time. I work for a very large health insurance company one that will soon have a market cap of $200B. We have a technology arm that is investing heavily in ML & AI. The idea that there is no innovation in healthcare and Apple will waltz in and show everyone how it’s done is laughable.
So Tim Cook wants to turn Apple into GE. I don’t like this idea of Apple turning into a conglomerate.
go to sleep.
So you think Apple becoming a conglomerate is a good thing? What’s next, Apple branded health food stores?
This seems to me like Apple wants to strength its own health team while at the same time getting real world experience. The Health Care Industry is huge and complex, if Apple can better understand how a real live clinic functions, the better their health focus products can be.
I fully agree... To date in health and in exercise Apple has seemingly relied on "the experts" for design criteria. But, our failed health system (and I'm NOT talking either Obamacare or Trumpcare -- those are simply payment mechanisms rather than health delivery systems) is proof that we need a fresh approach.
Hmm yes could you provide your source for this claim?
Um, this story?
You got slapped down good StrangeDays.... ... While I agree with your point, the "Could you supply your source for this claim" thingee is getting old. If you disagree, then say so. Otherwise, avoid the snide remarks.
The medical sector is both flush with money both on the consumer and business side, and a complete mess of inefficiency, bad tech, bad integration, bad software... The user experience (workers, patients) at all levels is just BAD.
It's an industry ripe for major disruption, especially coming from the consumer side as a way to insert itself into the industry.
A company like Apple could make a huge difference here and build an ever stronger moat; privacy is really important in that sector and Android is not ready to go there at all and likely won't be for a while.
The fact Apple controls so much of the hardware/system/software stack means they can create things no one else can.
And, for once, calling Jobs name would means something cause he's specifically was pretty disturbed by what he saw when dealing with the current mess of tech/software that he had to used. He wanted to improve the experience of people caring for their health and once they are sick, being treated.
Carrying Jobs spirit would in fact continuing a strong focus on improving people's lives in those areas.
That those areas could be areas that are very lucrative and ready for disruption is just icing on the cake.
That's all true... Unfortunately, the direct route to reforming the healthcare industry is blocked by industry supported government regulations. They were regulations that were originally designed to stop charlatans who were killing people. But now they mostly just protect the existing industry.
Perhaps an end-around using consumer grade health care products and lifestyle medicine is the way to go -- and Apple is well positioned for that.
That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
Yeah after their google partnership and having their iPhone stolen, Apple is pretty much done with partnerships. Too risky and too much greed and betrayal.
Um, Didi, IBM, Accenture, Cisco, Nike, Standford, Salesforce, Nuance, Ohio State University, Deloitte, etc. Apple partners all the time. I work for a very large health insurance company one that will soon have a market cap of $200B. We have a technology arm that is investing heavily in ML & AI. The idea that there is no innovation in healthcare and Apple will waltz in and show everyone how it’s done is laughable.
You sound exactly like the Palm CEO saying this about Apple and the iPhone in 2007: “We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in”.
And I’m not sure I understand your stance that’s basically “Well, we ARE working on things that will innovate so there’s no need for anyone else to bother”. I mean, really? Health Care is a bloated and unorganized mess right now, it’s absolutley ripe for disruption. Maybe you’re company is going to make things more streamlined in the future, but they better hurry on that “innovation” because Apple is *definitely* moving towards changing things in that area.
That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
Yeah after their google partnership and having their iPhone stolen, Apple is pretty much done with partnerships. Too risky and too much greed and betrayal.
Um, Didi, IBM, Accenture, Cisco, Nike, Standford, Salesforce, Nuance, Ohio State University, Deloitte, etc. Apple partners all the time. I work for a very large health insurance company one that will soon have a market cap of $200B. We have a technology arm that is investing heavily in ML & AI. The idea that there is no innovation in healthcare and Apple will waltz in and show everyone how it’s done is laughable.
You sound exactly like the Palm CEO saying this about Apple and the iPhone in 2007: “We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in”.
And I’m not sure I understand your stance that’s basically “Well, we ARE working on things that will innovate so there’s no need for anyone else to bother”. I mean, really? Health Care is a bloated and unorganized mess right now, it’s absolutley ripe for disruption. Maybe you’re company is going to make things more streamlined in the future, but they better hurry on that “innovation” because Apple is *definitely* moving towards changing things in that area.
Except Apple was playing to its strength there. It had an OS. It needed to make that a multi-touch OS running on ARM. Not trivial but using the existing skill set within Apple. When they got OS X on a device ( which is how Steve Jobs annoucned it) the rest of the industry should have taken notice. They didnt, except for Google
So Tim Cook wants to turn Apple into GE. I don’t like this idea of Apple turning into a conglomerate.
go to sleep.
So you think Apple becoming a conglomerate is a good thing? What’s next, Apple branded health food stores?
Wouldn't mind Apple branching out a bit. Health food stores might be a little too small of an idea. I wouldn't mind seeing them more involved in the medical field, definitely as a bank, definitely as a cellular and internet provider, not so much as car manufacturer (especially autonomous vehicles), definitely not into rocket ships, in other words, adding things other than just computer hardware and computer services. I don't want them to look like Amazon or Google, who make almost nothing people actually use other that an on-line store and a company that sells my personal information. Wall Street might like these but they really don't help people.
Why should they be involved in medical field but not autonomous vehicles? Your list seems random. I don’t want Apple to become what Google was becoming before their current CFO reigned things in (i.e. unfocused).
Actually, Google took a big move toward being more of a "conglomerate" by forming Alphabet.
That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
Yeah after their google partnership and having their iPhone stolen, Apple is pretty much done with partnerships. Too risky and too much greed and betrayal.
Um, Didi, IBM, Accenture, Cisco, Nike, Standford, Salesforce, Nuance, Ohio State University, Deloitte, etc. Apple partners all the time. I work for a very large health insurance company one that will soon have a market cap of $200B. We have a technology arm that is investing heavily in ML & AI. The idea that there is no innovation in healthcare and Apple will waltz in and show everyone how it’s done is laughable.
You sound exactly like the Palm CEO saying this about Apple and the iPhone in 2007: “We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in”.
And I’m not sure I understand your stance that’s basically “Well, we ARE working on things that will innovate so there’s no need for anyone else to bother”. I mean, really? Health Care is a bloated and unorganized mess right now, it’s absolutley ripe for disruption. Maybe you’re company is going to make things more streamlined in the future, but they better hurry on that “innovation” because Apple is *definitely* moving towards changing things in that area.
You can't fix either Stupid or Greed. And, the healthcare industry -- whether provider or insurer -- is driven by both. So, like you, I'll put my money on Apple. While there's no guarantee they'll succeed, the healthcare industry has proven that they don't even want to succeed (they only care about profit). For an insurer that means cutting benefits and for a provider that means increasing revenue. For them, healthcare is just a means to an end.
Hmm yes could you provide your source for this claim?
Um, this story?
This story does not support your conclusion.
This is an unsourced story ("people familiar with the matter") and doesn't make clear what Apple's, or Cook's, intentions are with the health care industry. And considering how incredibly large GE is, and that Cook has specifically said they say No to so many things (reminding people that their products can fit on a table), I find your conclusion quite incorrect. Just panic.
Hmm yes could you provide your source for this claim?
Um, this story?
You got slapped down good StrangeDays.... ... While I agree with your point, the "Could you supply your source for this claim" thingee is getting old. If you disagree, then say so. Otherwise, avoid the snide remarks.
Nonsense. This story is a rumor about possible involvement with a facet of the health care industry. It does not say "Tim Cook wants Apple to be GE!" which was the foolhardy claim. Nothing in this story supports that conclusion. Thus the question -- source your claim. The onus of proof is on the person claiming something outlandish or fantastic, not on the receivers of such claims.
The only people who dislike having to source their claims are people who peddle bullshit.
That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
Yeah after their google partnership and having their iPhone stolen, Apple is pretty much done with partnerships. Too risky and too much greed and betrayal.
Um, Didi, IBM, Accenture, Cisco, Nike, Standford, Salesforce, Nuance, Ohio State University, Deloitte, etc. Apple partners all the time. I work for a very large health insurance company one that will soon have a market cap of $200B. We have a technology arm that is investing heavily in ML & AI. The idea that there is no innovation in healthcare and Apple will waltz in and show everyone how it’s done is laughable.
You sound exactly like the Palm CEO saying this about Apple and the iPhone in 2007: “We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in”.
And I’m not sure I understand your stance that’s basically “Well, we ARE working on things that will innovate so there’s no need for anyone else to bother”. I mean, really? Health Care is a bloated and unorganized mess right now, it’s absolutley ripe for disruption. Maybe you’re company is going to make things more streamlined in the future, but they better hurry on that “innovation” because Apple is *definitely* moving towards changing things in that area.
I didn’t say there’s no reason for anyone else to bother. I’m just not buying this notion that there is no innovation happening in health care and Apple is going to come in and revolutionize things. Also people constantly bringing up that Palm CEO quote is as silly as bringing up Steve Jobs quote about a stylus. The iPhone is basically a pocket computer. Not a stretch to think a company that designed personal computers and portable media players could eventually design a cell phone. No one yet has explained why they think Apple is well suited to own/run medical clinics that employ doctors and nurses.
Hmm yes could you provide your source for this claim?
Um, this story?
You got slapped down good StrangeDays.... ... While I agree with your point, the "Could you supply your source for this claim" thingee is getting old. If you disagree, then say so. Otherwise, avoid the snide remarks.
Nonsense. This story is a rumor about possible involvement with a facet of the health care industry. It does not say "Tim Cook wants Apple to be GE!" which was the foolhardy claim. Nothing in this story supports that conclusion. Thus the question -- source your claim. The onus of proof is on the person claiming something outlandish or fantastic, not on the receivers of such claims.
The only people who dislike having to source their claims are people who peddle bullshit.
I never said this story claimed Tim wanted to turn Apple into GE. That was my opinion. And my opinion that it would be a bad idea. But some people have the idea that because Apple designed a cell phone and one existing cell phone maker said they couldn’t that means Apple can do anything. Perhaps they should worry about fixing Mac keyboards first.
The reliability of the new MacBook/Pro keyboards seems like a huge problem. A piece of fucking dust? Say what you want about the feel (and sound) of these new keyboards, the one thing that must be true for any good keyboard is that it has to be reliable. Like totally reliable. So reliable that it’s confusing when something does go wrong. That’s how Apple laptop keyboards have always been, dating back to the earliest days of the PowerBooks. There’ve been some I didn’t enjoy — the squishy-feeling iBook G3 keyboard comes to mind — but they’ve always been reliable.
I find these keyboards — specifically, the tales of woe about keys getting stuck or ceasing to work properly — a deeply worrisome sign about Apple’s priorities today.
So Tim Cook wants to turn Apple into GE. I don’t like this idea of Apple turning into a conglomerate.
No. Apple is a consumer lifestyle brand. They are not going to make MRI machines that are only used in hospitals like GE. They will revolutionize the healthcare industry with wearable computers and AI.
So Tim Cook wants to turn Apple into GE. I don’t like this idea of Apple turning into a conglomerate.
No. Apple is a consumer lifestyle brand. They are not going to make MRI machines that are only used in hospitals like GE. They will revolutionize the healthcare industry with wearable computers and AI.
The only way healthcare is going to get more efficient and cheaper is by removing more people from the process and automating. Any industry which relies on costly professionals, is highly regulated and is in high demand is ready for serious revamping.
Hmm yes could you provide your source for this claim?
Um, this story?
You got slapped down good StrangeDays.... ... While I agree with your point, the "Could you supply your source for this claim" thingee is getting old. If you disagree, then say so. Otherwise, avoid the snide remarks.
Nonsense. This story is a rumor about possible involvement with a facet of the health care industry. It does not say "Tim Cook wants Apple to be GE!" which was the foolhardy claim. Nothing in this story supports that conclusion. Thus the question -- source your claim. The onus of proof is on the person claiming something outlandish or fantastic, not on the receivers of such claims.
The only people who dislike having to source their claims are people who peddle bullshit.
If you disagreed with his conclusions, you could simply say that. It's more honest and more helpful - especially if you state why you disagree. If you don't have a basis for disagreeing then don't respond. But "state your sources" is a whimpy way out of actually disagreeing and contributes nothing to the discussion.
And no, nobody is obligated to submit to your demands. Sorry.
So Tim Cook wants to turn Apple into GE. I don’t like this idea of Apple turning into a conglomerate.
No. Apple is a consumer lifestyle brand. They are not going to make MRI machines that are only used in hospitals like GE. They will revolutionize the healthcare industry with wearable computers and AI.
The only way healthcare is going to get more efficient and cheaper is by removing more people from the process and automating. Any industry which relies on costly professionals, is highly regulated and is in high demand is ready for serious revamping.
No, not at all...
Currently 70-80% of our $3trillion in annual health care spending goes to treat (the symptoms of) preventable, lifestyle related chronic diseases. Yet our healthcare system proclaims that it is not their job to prevent disease but merely to treat it. Thus, we literally waste trillions each year treating diseases that should have never occurred.
The analogy is: Sending ambulance after ambulance to pick up those who fell off the cliff -- instead of putting up a fence.
(And, by the way, early detection (like mammograms) is not prevention, its early treatment of disease -- and quite profitable -- which is the primary goal of our DiseaseCare system.)
That’s the thing, none of us knows exactly how Apple is viewing this. I think a partnership would be best also, but I’m not in a decision making position at Apple, my view at best is myopic. I see what you’re saying about the data analytics arm but having just data is not always the best. I used to be an analyst at huge hospital, how a hospital board of directors sees things is vastly different from how doctors view things. Even how doctors view things is vastly different from the people who really keep things going in a hospital, the nurses see things. Having those points of view, I think would help Apple
why partner? that would bring up serious privacy issues. better if apple just went at it alone. regardless, if apple's snooping around and considering getting into the healthcare industry—in any capacity—all those old white boys will be shitting their pants. they might actually have to start innovating. because u can bet if apple can turn this turd of an industry around, they will. will we see the healthcare industry start going after apple in some manner? yeah, I think so.
Yeah after their google partnership and having their iPhone stolen, Apple is pretty much done with partnerships. Too risky and too much greed and betrayal.
Um, Didi, IBM, Accenture, Cisco, Nike, Standford, Salesforce, Nuance, Ohio State University, Deloitte, etc. Apple partners all the time. I work for a very large health insurance company one that will soon have a market cap of $200B. We have a technology arm that is investing heavily in ML & AI. The idea that there is no innovation in healthcare and Apple will waltz in and show everyone how it’s done is laughable.
Very good point, Apple does still do partnerships when it’s suits their needs.
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To date in health and in exercise Apple has seemingly relied on "the experts" for design criteria. But, our failed health system (and I'm NOT talking either Obamacare or Trumpcare -- those are simply payment mechanisms rather than health delivery systems) is proof that we need a fresh approach.
... While I agree with your point, the "Could you supply your source for this claim" thingee is getting old. If you disagree, then say so. Otherwise, avoid the snide remarks.
Unfortunately, the direct route to reforming the healthcare industry is blocked by industry supported government regulations. They were regulations that were originally designed to stop charlatans who were killing people. But now they mostly just protect the existing industry.
Perhaps an end-around using consumer grade health care products and lifestyle medicine is the way to go -- and Apple is well positioned for that.
And I’m not sure I understand your stance that’s basically “Well, we ARE working on things that will innovate so there’s no need for anyone else to bother”. I mean, really? Health Care is a bloated and unorganized mess right now, it’s absolutley ripe for disruption. Maybe you’re company is going to make things more streamlined in the future, but they better hurry on that “innovation” because Apple is *definitely* moving towards changing things in that area.
This is an unsourced story ("people familiar with the matter") and doesn't make clear what Apple's, or Cook's, intentions are with the health care industry. And considering how incredibly large GE is, and that Cook has specifically said they say No to so many things (reminding people that their products can fit on a table), I find your conclusion quite incorrect. Just panic.
The only people who dislike having to source their claims are people who peddle bullshit.
I never said this story claimed Tim wanted to turn Apple into GE. That was my opinion. And my opinion that it would be a bad idea. But some people have the idea that because Apple designed a cell phone and one existing cell phone maker said they couldn’t that means Apple can do anything. Perhaps they should worry about fixing Mac keyboards first.
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/10/17/johnston-macbook-keyboard
They are not going to make MRI machines that are only used in hospitals like GE.
They will revolutionize the healthcare industry with wearable computers and AI.
And no, nobody is obligated to submit to your demands. Sorry.
Currently 70-80% of our $3trillion in annual health care spending goes to treat (the symptoms of) preventable, lifestyle related chronic diseases. Yet our healthcare system proclaims that it is not their job to prevent disease but merely to treat it. Thus, we literally waste trillions each year treating diseases that should have never occurred.
The analogy is: Sending ambulance after ambulance to pick up those who fell off the cliff -- instead of putting up a fence.
(And, by the way, early detection (like mammograms) is not prevention, its early treatment of disease -- and quite profitable -- which is the primary goal of our DiseaseCare system.)