@appleinsider staff Did you also test FaceID without gaze detection? I’m wondering if turning off gaze detection would make the process of unlocking even faster: you wouldn’t loose time by having to focus. Just lifting the phone while for instance talking to someone would already unlock it. Also, in that case, could you say something about accuracy and safety? Would FaceID without gaze detection be easier to trick (suggesting that the iPhone X probably would scan your iris too)?
Can you guys give us an example of when FaceID did not work?
With more than a single user?
Seriously tho, and this is not a black-mark on Face ID: The limitation of one face to one phone may be an inconvenience that some buyers may not have considered. Personally I think it's relatively common for a husband/wife to register the spouse's fingerprint as an option, and for Mom and/or Dad to add their fingerprint to the young son and daughter's phone, "just in case". That's not an option with Face ID. Remembering someone else's Apple-recommended long alphanumeric password is going to be a necessity for some families if they're Face ID committed, and it's going to take longer and be less convenient than simply tapping on the fingerprint reader as Mom is accustomed to when Dad's phone rings and he's driving. Just something to keep in mind.
You don’t need to unlock an iPhone to answer it. I’m pretty sure a whole crowd of people have told you this before.
Not necessarily to answer it (same on Android), it was just a general reference to a spouse having a reason to open your phone with your approval, or a father/mother needing to open a child's phone. I should not have mentioning answering a phone as one of those instances, so thanks for catching that.
Don’t mention it, and I have no doubt that in a couple of weeks you’ll have “forgotten” again.
Can you guys give us an example of when FaceID did not work?
With more than a single user?
Seriously tho, and this is not a black-mark on Face ID: The limitation of one face to one phone may be an inconvenience that some buyers may not have considered. Personally I think it's relatively common for a husband/wife to register the spouse's fingerprint as an option, and for Mom and/or Dad to add their fingerprint to the young son and daughter's phone, "just in case". That's not an option with Face ID. Remembering someone else's Apple-recommended long alphanumeric password is going to be a necessity for some families if they're Face ID committed, and it's going to take longer and be less convenient than simply tapping on the fingerprint reader as Mom is accustomed to when Dad's phone rings and he's driving. Just something to keep in mind.
You don’t need to unlock an iPhone to answer it. I’m pretty sure a whole crowd of people have told you this before.
Not necessarily to answer it (same on Android), it was just a general reference to a spouse having a reason to open your phone with your approval, or a father/mother needing to open a child's phone. I should not have mentioning answering a phone as one of those instances, so thanks for catching that.
Don’t mention it, and I have no doubt that in a couple of weeks you’ll have “forgotten” again.
I can take the phone out of my pocket while pressing the Home button on the way out. So, it's ready when I look at it. Plus, I don't have to "swipe up" to get to the home screen.
Honestly, I can't see how Face ID is supposed to be faster and why does it even matter? Face, fingerprint. Same to me. I don't see anything special, it's just different.
“Works most of the time.” That’s a phrase I’m reading in other reviews also. Well, “most of the time” isn’t good enough. It has to work EVERY time or people will simply abandon it. If you have to repeat the process a second time once in a while that’s going to be be a problem. But let's assume that the AI involved will learn and get better with time.
TouchID fails all the time for me. Sweaty fingers, dirty screen, gloves in the winter (just doesn't work), I cut my thumb a few weeks ago and had to use my left hand for a week to unlock my phone. I can't wait for FaceID.
"Dirty screen". Has anyone commented on how solid FaceID is when those fancy cameras, illuminators, and dot projectors are gunked up with sweat, body oils, and makeup? I mean, that is the part you hold to your ear when talking...
Ah yeah, don't read anything by Nilay Patel if you're wanting a realistic fault to be found. While I appreciate a reviewer who will try to find the edge cases where a feature will fail, Nilay just seems bent on creating a clickbait headline and will pretty much manufacture unrealistic scenarios to get there. His review of the X is no exception to this, and plenty of people have already pointed out the unusual steps he took to make face ID fail.
As for Face ID being quicker than Touch ID, this is true in certain circumstances such as the screen being activated from notifications, or if you pick up your phone without your finger already on the Touch ID sensor. However in a scenario where your thumb/finger is already resting on the Touch ID sensor, then this will be marginally faster than FaceID.
However this is really a testament to the speed of Face ID, as Touch ID is very nearly instantaneous.
I am somewhat meh about FaceID but as winter approaches there are certainly scenarios where FaceID is far superior to TouchID...
TouchID fails all the time for me. Sweaty fingers, dirty screen, gloves in the winter (just doesn't work), I cut my thumb a few weeks ago and had to use my left hand for a week to unlock my phone. I can't wait for FaceID.
I use my nose as a backup. The plus side to this is TouchID will work twice as fast for me.
“Works most of the time.” That’s a phrase I’m reading in other reviews also. Well, “most of the time” isn’t good enough. It has to work EVERY time or people will simply abandon it. If you have to repeat the process a second time once in a while that’s going to be be a problem. But let's assume that the AI involved will learn and get better with time.
TouchID fails all the time for me. Sweaty fingers, dirty screen, gloves in the winter (just doesn't work), I cut my thumb a few weeks ago and had to use my left hand for a week to unlock my phone. I can't wait for FaceID.
I can take the phone out of my pocket while pressing the Home button on the way out. So, it's ready when I look at it. Plus, I don't have to "swipe up" to get to the home screen.
Honestly, I can't see how Face ID is supposed to be faster and why does it even matter? Face, fingerprint. Same to me. I don't see anything special, it's just different.
I completely agree. I don't care about the speed, I care about the convenience and to me TouchID is way more convenient. I'm more likely to pull the device out of my pocket with my thumb on the home button so it's unlocked before it comes up to my face.
“Works most of the time.” That’s a phrase I’m reading in other reviews also. Well, “most of the time” isn’t good enough. It has to work EVERY time or people will simply abandon it. If you have to repeat the process a second time once in a while that’s going to be be a problem. But let's assume that the AI involved will learn and get better with time.
TouchID fails all the time for me. Sweaty fingers, dirty screen, gloves in the winter (just doesn't work), I cut my thumb a few weeks ago and had to use my left hand for a week to unlock my phone. I can't wait for FaceID.
Thanks for letting the world know which digit you use for TouchID. Instead of choosing one from ten it is now only one from two. You have made your phone a whole lot less secure. May I humbly suggest that you disable TouchID right now.
I lol’d at this. What are you suggesting, that unknown assailants can now save time by just hacking off his thumb rather than the whole hand? Why would it be less secure that he has only one digit registered rather than many? And how would his phone be made more secure by now disabling touchid altogether?!
I'm still baffled on how many opinion pieces are passed around Appleinsider now a days as real news... This is not accurate. There are already benchmarks noting that via default settings, FaceID take approximately 1.6-1.8 seconds to authenticate versus TouchID which takes around 0.9 seconds. That's almost double the amount of time. Please check your facts.
@appleinsider staff Did you also test FaceID without gaze detection? I’m wondering if turning off gaze detection would make the process of unlocking even faster: you wouldn’t loose time by having to focus. Just lifting the phone while for instance talking to someone would already unlock it. Also, in that case, could you say something about accuracy and safety? Would FaceID without gaze detection be easier to trick (suggesting that the iPhone X probably would scan your iris too)?
The iPhone X has gays detection? Geez, it's going to be working overtime with me and my buddies here in SF! 😉
I'm still baffled on how many opinion pieces are passed around Appleinsider now a days as real news... This is not accurate. There are already benchmarks noting that via default settings, FaceID take approximately 1.6-1.8 seconds to authenticate versus TouchID which takes around 0.9 seconds. That's almost double the amount of time. Please check your facts.
The testing here was wrong, he was pressing the side button then waiting for unlock then sliding up, and for touch ID only pressing, the default is to pick up the phone and slide up at the same time, the whole point is not to wait for the unlock, iOS multitasks and will eventually wait if there is a recognition problem (e.g. multiple faces detected).
“Works most of the time.” That’s a phrase I’m reading in other reviews also. Well, “most of the time” isn’t good enough. It has to work EVERY time or people will simply abandon it. If you have to repeat the process a second time once in a while that’s going to be be a problem. But let's assume that the AI involved will learn and get better with time.
TouchID fails all the time for me. Sweaty fingers, dirty screen, gloves in the winter (just doesn't work), I cut my thumb a few weeks ago and had to use my left hand for a week to unlock my phone. I can't wait for FaceID.
Thanks for letting the world know which digit you use for TouchID. Instead of choosing one from ten it is now only one from two. You have made your phone a whole lot less secure. May I humbly suggest that you disable TouchID right now.
OMG....You guys and your paranoia. Hey, did those thieves ever show up to cut off your finger to use on Touch ID!? I know lots of people were "concerned" about this highly likely scenario, right!? No.
Here ya go -- I registered my thumbs and index fingers for my Touch ID. Go crazy!
Can you guys give us an example of when FaceID did not work?
With more than a single user?
Seriously tho, and this is not a black-mark on Face ID: The limitation of one face to one phone may be an inconvenience that some buyers may not have considered. Personally I think it's relatively common for a husband/wife to register the spouse's fingerprint as an option, and for Mom and/or Dad to add their fingerprint to the young son and daughter's phone, "just in case". That's not an option with Face ID. Remembering someone else's Apple-recommended long alphanumeric password is going to be a necessity for some families if they're Face ID committed, and it's going to take longer and be less convenient than simply tapping on the fingerprint reader as Mom is accustomed to when Dad's phone rings and he's driving. Just something to keep in mind.
You don’t need to unlock an iPhone to answer it. I’m pretty sure a whole crowd of people have told you this before.
We have. He still doesn't understand how iPhones work, at all. Doesn't stop him from spreading FUD about them any chance he gets, tho.
I can take the phone out of my pocket while pressing the Home button on the way out. So, it's ready when I look at it. Plus, I don't have to "swipe up" to get to the home screen.
Honestly, I can't see how Face ID is supposed to be faster and why does it even matter? Face, fingerprint. Same to me. I don't see anything special, it's just different.
Touch ID: - touch sensor [as you] - push home button - look at display and use device
Face ID: - look at sensor [as you] - swipe-up on home indicator - use device
...same number of steps in either use case. This debate about which is faster is pure OCD insanity. They're the same, by the time you're ready to use the device.
“Works most of the time.” That’s a phrase I’m reading in other reviews also. Well, “most of the time” isn’t good enough. It has to work EVERY time or people will simply abandon it. If you have to repeat the process a second time once in a while that’s going to be be a problem. But let's assume that the AI involved will learn and get better with time.
TouchID fails all the time for me. Sweaty fingers, dirty screen, gloves in the winter (just doesn't work), I cut my thumb a few weeks ago and had to use my left hand for a week to unlock my phone. I can't wait for FaceID.
"Dirty screen". Has anyone commented on how solid FaceID is when those fancy cameras, illuminators, and dot projectors are gunked up with sweat, body oils, and makeup? I mean, that is the part you hold to your ear when talking...
If only Apple thought to test this! ZOMG they never put it to their ears, did they!? They don't have women in the office, do they!? Poor Apple!!
I can take the phone out of my pocket while pressing the Home button on the way out. So, it's ready when I look at it. Plus, I don't have to "swipe up" to get to the home screen.
Honestly, I can't see how Face ID is supposed to be faster and why does it even matter? Face, fingerprint. Same to me. I don't see anything special, it's just different.
I completely agree. I don't care about the speed, I care about the convenience and to me TouchID is way more convenient. I'm more likely to pull the device out of my pocket with my thumb on the home button so it's unlocked before it comes up to my face.
Fact: you must look at the device to use it, and by that time the X is unlocked too. It doesn't make two shits difference if your Touch ID iPhone is unlocked first *while moving through the air*. You must still look at it. And with the X, that act of looking at it unlocks it. It's the same either way.
I'm still baffled on how many opinion pieces are passed around Appleinsider now a days as real news... This is not accurate. There are already benchmarks noting that via default settings, FaceID take approximately 1.6-1.8 seconds to authenticate versus TouchID which takes around 0.9 seconds. That's almost double the amount of time. Please check your facts.
And if you'd done your home work you'd know the cited number for Face ID was bunk, because the dude who wrote it didn't even know you don't need to push the side button and wait for unlock. You simply swipe up while looking at it. It's not an additional step.
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Did you also test FaceID without gaze detection? I’m wondering if turning off gaze detection would make the process of unlocking even faster: you wouldn’t loose time by having to focus. Just lifting the phone while for instance talking to someone would already unlock it.
Also, in that case, could you say something about accuracy and safety? Would FaceID without gaze detection be easier to trick (suggesting that the iPhone X probably would scan your iris too)?
OMG....You guys and your paranoia. Hey, did those thieves ever show up to cut off your finger to use on Touch ID!? I know lots of people were "concerned" about this highly likely scenario, right!? No.
Here ya go -- I registered my thumbs and index fingers for my Touch ID. Go crazy!
We have. He still doesn't understand how iPhones work, at all. Doesn't stop him from spreading FUD about them any chance he gets, tho.
Touch ID:
- touch sensor [as you]
- push home button
- look at display and use device
Face ID:
- look at sensor [as you]
- swipe-up on home indicator
- use device
...same number of steps in either use case. This debate about which is faster is pure OCD insanity. They're the same, by the time you're ready to use the device.
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/11/01/face-id-extra-step
Fact: you must look at the device to use it, and by that time the X is unlocked too. It doesn't make two shits difference if your Touch ID iPhone is unlocked first *while moving through the air*. You must still look at it. And with the X, that act of looking at it unlocks it. It's the same either way.
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/11/01/face-id-extra-step
And if you'd done your home work you'd know the cited number for Face ID was bunk, because the dude who wrote it didn't even know you don't need to push the side button and wait for unlock. You simply swipe up while looking at it. It's not an additional step.
Debunked here:
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/11/01/face-id-extra-step