FaceID will prove superior to underscreen touchID. Those who don't own or use iPhone X but complains about notch. Remember, in order to cover cameras,sensors place on top of screen; phone manufacturers have to put non-display black bar on top or notch. iPhone X uses notch so able to use side screen for information/notification display..With under-screen touchID, they will still have black bar or notch on top.
FaceID will prove superior to underscreen touchID. Those who don't own or use iPhone X but complains about notch. Remember, in order to cover cameras,sensors place on top of screen; phone manufacturers have to put non-display black bar on top or notch. iPhone X uses notch so able to use side screen for information/notification display..With under-screen touchID, they will still have black bar or notch on top.
I own an iPhone X and the notch has nothing to do with my Face ID complaints. The notch is a non-factor. My issues have to do with the fact that Face ID has proven to be less user friendly than Touch ID. Over the last month I have seen a 10x increase in the amount of times I have to type my PIN in compared to using Touch ID with my 6S Plus before upgrading. I’m very happy with my X but this has been a definite pain point for me since upgrading.
I find it funny everyone assumes all Face ID issues have to do with the notch and not the actual functionality of the feature.
It’s great that they’ve got a “top five” OEM on board, but I’m also wondering what the top 1, 2, 3 and 4 are doing. I suspect they’re going with their own facial recognition engines.
The "Top 5" vendor is assumed to be Samsung since Synaptics refers to an Infinity display as one example which is Samsung marketing.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
to be fair, FaceID and associated notch are not the only differences in the X versus the models it costs ‘much more’ than. One of its most significant differences is the screen size to handset size ratio. The additional cost of the X gets you that too. And some camera differences, etc.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
to be fair, FaceID and associated notch are not the only differences in the X versus the models it costs ‘much more’ than. One of its most significant differences is the screen size to handset size ratio. The additional cost of the X gets you that too. And some camera differences, etc.
Fair point, but that's why I said it was one of the reasons it costs so much, although the only way get it is by opting for an expensive X line. If someone thinks there is value in it, that's fine but I wouldn't go that far.
For me to pay that much it would have to have something much more compelling and I don't consider anything out there to fall into that category.
Personally, I think I could be a 300-500€ user but am still happy with my two year old phone.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Let’s wait and see. I’m not going to be digging Face ID’s grave because of some company’s press release. And this sensor still won’t work with gloves. Face ID does.
TouchID works with a full face crash helmet or burka. moot point.
Fewer people are wearing freaking crash helmets while trying to use an iphone than gloves. Point stands.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
None of that has anything to do with what I said — that the only people bothered by the notch are those looking at it in pictures. So his claim that it’s big & ugly and will be seen as the failed betamax of phones is stupid and wrong.
FaceID will prove superior to underscreen touchID. Those who don't own or use iPhone X but complains about notch. Remember, in order to cover cameras,sensors place on top of screen; phone manufacturers have to put non-display black bar on top or notch. iPhone X uses notch so able to use side screen for information/notification display..With under-screen touchID, they will still have black bar or notch on top.
I own an iPhone X and the notch has nothing to do with my Face ID complaints. The notch is a non-factor. My issues have to do with the fact that Face ID has proven to be less user friendly than Touch ID. Over the last month I have seen a 10x increase in the amount of times I have to type my PIN in compared to using Touch ID with my 6S Plus before upgrading. I’m very happy with my X but this has been a definite pain point for me since upgrading.
I find it funny everyone assumes all Face ID issues have to do with the notch and not the actual functionality of the feature.
Be sure you are looking at the display and your eyes, nose and mouth are visible. In my experience that (mostly not looking at it) have been 100% responsible for non-passes. Rather than input the PIN, all you have to do is re-gaze, or just tap Cancel and swipe up again.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
to be fair, FaceID and associated notch are not the only differences in the X versus the models it costs ‘much more’ than. One of its most significant differences is the screen size to handset size ratio. The additional cost of the X gets you that too. And some camera differences, etc.
Exactly. Anybody who thinks we're paying to have Face ID has no idea what they're talking about. It's about the screen size to handset ratio. The amazing new screen, excellent cameras, top-ranked speed, and the contextual computing gained with Face ID are all added benefits.
Contextual computing is another reason we won't see Face ID replaced with Touch ID -- Face ID works in the background, without the OS having to remove or alter part of the app's screen to show UI for under-glass fingerprint scanning. It just happens, without you having to do a damn thing. This is great for app and Safari passwords.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
This post will not age well once the Android OEMs start "fast-following" their own facial recognition tech. Sort of like all the crying about the headphone jack.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
None of that has anything to do with what I said — that the only people bothered by the notch are those looking at it in pictures. So his claim that it’s big & ugly and will be seen as the failed betamax of phones is stupid and wrong.
Couldn't agree with this more. I don't even notice the notch anymore. It's a stupid complaint made my small-minded people.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
None of that has anything to do with what I said — that the only people bothered by the notch are those looking at it in pictures. So his claim that it’s big & ugly and will be seen as the failed betamax of phones is stupid and wrong.
Couldn't agree with this more. I don't even notice the notch anymore. It's a stupid complaint made my small-minded people.
Can you really not just disagree with someone without being insulting?
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
None of that has anything to do with what I said — that the only people bothered by the notch are those looking at it in pictures. So his claim that it’s big & ugly and will be seen as the failed betamax of phones is stupid and wrong.
Couldn't agree with this more. I don't even notice the notch anymore. It's a stupid complaint made my small-minded people.
Can you really not just disagree with someone without being insulting?
Half of the shit our latest waves of haters and trolls post are insulting to common sense and intelligence. Like claiming Face ID and the notch is failed tech that will be likened to the betamax.
It’s great that they’ve got a “top five” OEM on board, but I’m also wondering what the top 1, 2, 3 and 4 are doing. I suspect they’re going with their own facial recognition engines.
The "Top 5" vendor is assumed to be Samsung since Synaptics refers to an Infinity display as one example which is Samsung marketing.
Samsung, eh? Then things are about to get interesting.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
I was wondering about this.
If you have to learn it’s rough position then it’s going to be tricky to use in the dark unless you light up the whole screen when the phone is picked up. I was thinking that the sensor would be large enough to cover the whole screen, but then you’d need to manufacture them in different sizes … and now I can see why Apple went for FaceID.
The real question is if this can be done much cheaper than FaceID. If it can and if it is as secure as TouchID then its better than FaceID. This is better because you wouldn't need to have a big, ugly notch. FaceID will be scene as the Betamax of authentication.
Keep wishing bro. But those of us who actually have the X know otherwise — looking at a picture of a thing is not the same as using a thing. nobody cares about the notch except haters and OCD types, neither of which actually use the device.
But, just like he says, cost is a significant factor and is one of the reasons you shelled out so much for your phone. It is also one of the reasons why it isn't on Apple's other new phones.
I have no issues with FaceID or the notch but there is no way I'm paying much more just to have it. The difference doesn't justify the functionality IMO.
With this new breakthrough, my only doubt is how you will physically locate the sensor to activate it when you aren't looking at the phone. Most current solutions provide some kind of tactile 'feedback' (recessed sensors etc). The only thing that occurs to me is some kind of haptic response or if the sensor itself is big enough to cover a larger underscreen area than current sensors you can learn its 'rough' position well enough for high success.
None of that has anything to do with what I said — that the only people bothered by the notch are those looking at it in pictures. So his claim that it’s big & ugly and will be seen as the failed betamax of phones is stupid and wrong.
Couldn't agree with this more. I don't even notice the notch anymore. It's a stupid complaint made my small-minded people.
Can you really not just disagree with someone without being insulting?
Half of the shit our latest waves of haters and trolls post are insulting to common sense and intelligence. Like claiming Face ID and the notch is failed tech that will be likened to the betamax.
I don't remember you being this aggressive towards those with whom you disagree in the past. My impression is that you used to be more even tempered and used well-reasoned arguments to make your point. It's... it's like I don't even know you anymore! You're tearing us apart! Ever since the incident in Istanbul it's like you've been a different person!
But seriously, far be it from me to be the Peace Police. I just don't see the point of being impolite. It's less persuasive than a calm statement of fact or opinion, and it brings down the mood of the room. I prefer a happy, constructive, fun environment. YMMV.
One thing we don't yet know is how well it works. For any discussion of the relative merit of a through-the-screen fingerprint reader compared to FaceID to be valid, the fingerprint reader will have to be at least as easy, fast, and consistent as FaceID. If it turns out that it's a pain to use, either because finding the right zone is hassle or it doesn't always work, the whole discussion about which is better -- finger or face -- becomes irrelevant.
It’s great that they’ve got a “top five” OEM on board, but I’m also wondering what the top 1, 2, 3 and 4 are doing. I suspect they’re going with their own facial recognition engines.
The "Top 5" vendor is assumed to be Samsung since Synaptics refers to an Infinity display as one example which is Samsung marketing.
Samsung, eh? Then things are about to get interesting.
It’s great that they’ve got a “top five” OEM on board, but I’m also wondering what the top 1, 2, 3 and 4 are doing. I suspect they’re going with their own facial recognition engines.
The "Top 5" vendor is assumed to be Samsung since Synaptics refers to an Infinity display as one example which is Samsung marketing.
Samsung, eh? Then things are about to get interesting.
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I find it funny everyone assumes all Face ID issues have to do with the notch and not the actual functionality of the feature.
For me to pay that much it would have to have something much more compelling and I don't consider anything out there to fall into that category.
Personally, I think I could be a 300-500€ user but am still happy with my two year old phone.
None of that has anything to do with what I said — that the only people bothered by the notch are those looking at it in pictures. So his claim that it’s big & ugly and will be seen as the failed betamax of phones is stupid and wrong.
Exactly. Anybody who thinks we're paying to have Face ID has no idea what they're talking about. It's about the screen size to handset ratio. The amazing new screen, excellent cameras, top-ranked speed, and the contextual computing gained with Face ID are all added benefits.
Contextual computing is another reason we won't see Face ID replaced with Touch ID -- Face ID works in the background, without the OS having to remove or alter part of the app's screen to show UI for under-glass fingerprint scanning. It just happens, without you having to do a damn thing. This is great for app and Safari passwords.
If you have to learn it’s rough position then it’s going to be tricky to use in the dark unless you light up the whole screen when the phone is picked up. I was thinking that the sensor would be large enough to cover the whole screen, but then you’d need to manufacture them in different sizes … and now I can see why Apple went for FaceID.
But seriously, far be it from me to be the Peace Police. I just don't see the point of being impolite. It's less persuasive than a calm statement of fact or opinion, and it brings down the mood of the room. I prefer a happy, constructive, fun environment. YMMV.
I doubt it is Samsung. I remember reading about Vivo being the first one to integrate FPS under screen in a prototype. https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_is_first_in_line_for_qualcomms_inscreen_fingerprint_readers-news-25876.php