As groverat says though, free speech isn't welcome here.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No one said free speech isn't allowed. The guidelines state that the definition of free speech as defined in the 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution don't apply here because this BB is not the US Congress.
Free speech isn't welcome here? What does that mean?
If you don't understand the rules well enough to follow them then I suppose that might make sense.
I realize you are merely pouting and I understand, but the thread violated the posting guidelines, as did the masturbation thread, you really can't trust a European with a definition of what is "sexually graphic" anyway!
And in case you haven't noticed, the masturbation thread is gone. No more griping about how that was allowed, mmk?
And furthermore, scissors, gripes about moderators locking threads belong in the inbox of the moderator or an administrator, not on the boards.
<strong>Free speech isn't welcome here? What does that mean?
If you don't understand the rules well enough to follow them then I suppose that might make sense.
I realize you are merely pouting and I understand, but the thread violated the posting guidelines, as did the masturbation thread, you really can't trust a European with a definition of what is "sexually graphic" anyway!
And in case you haven't noticed, the masturbation thread is gone. No more griping about how that was allowed, mmk?
And furthermore, scissors, gripes about moderators locking threads belong in the inbox of the moderator or an administrator, not on the boards.</strong><hr></blockquote>
first off, neither one of them should be gone, but that's not the point of my post. i do not have a "gripe" about any mods at all, your doing jobs as defined by the guides. my comments about those threads were used to illustrate a point regarding the guides. i simply feel there is a place for random bullshit for the sake of random bullshit. you start trying too hard to clean things up, and you end up having a board with no, for lack of a better word, soul.
Wow. Let's not say we're using this thread for feedback. Let's call it for what it is - a thread for the mods/admins to be defensive.
BTW, it's incorrect to say that the First Amendment doesn't apply on a message board. The gov't can't limit speech here or anywhere else. It's not a question of -where- the speech takes place, it's a question of -who- does the censoring.
<strong>Wow. Let's not say we're using this thread for feedback. Let's call it for what it is - a thread for the mods/admins to be defensive.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh yeah!? YOU'RE DEFENSIVE!
I, for one, appreciate input into what would make the community better. I appreciate SDW's suggestion, absolutely, but I disagree. I am only one mod among many and I am certainly not an administrator.
[quote]<strong>BTW, it's incorrect to say that the First Amendment doesn't apply on a message board. The gov't can't limit speech here or anywhere else. It's not a question of -where- the speech takes place, it's a question of -who- does the censoring.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are entirely correct, that is a logical fallacy on my part (I wrote that particular bit).
It should say:
"The administration at AppleInsider is not limited by the 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution which guarantees free speech and protection from prior restraing to American citizens. Being a private enterprise, AppleInsider is also not bound by any similar rights or protections outlined by foreign bodies."
<strong>Free speech isn't welcome here? What does that mean?
If you don't understand the rules well enough to follow them then I suppose that might make sense.
I realize you are merely pouting and I understand.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm, I guess when you said "#1 is merely meant to inform those that would scream 'What about free speech!?' that free speech doesn't apply here. And believe me, there are many who don't get that point." you were right.
I think there is a distinction between guidelines and rules though. The former seem to have turned into the latter.
And yes, I'm a regular Bridget Bardot when it comes to pouting
the issue i'm trying to get at is bigger than those two threads, and no, crudeness does not equate soul. but humor is a big part of it. how are you determining what is silly and what is crude? what, in the context of those two threads, which i might add, were handled quite tactfully by the members of this board, was crude? the topic? i guess i fail to the crudeness and saw a lot of humor, and yes, some insight. sorry to continue this further. i said my peace. i'll take my answer off the air.
When one is obliged to follow guidelines they become rules, yes. I don't see the gap between the two words that you do, perhaps.
scissors:
All specific gripes about specific locks go into the inbox of the moderator or an administrator, how difficult is that concept?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I just wonder whether the concept of thread locking in general can be used to a members benefit. For example, if a thread is started on a topic I disagree with, or I've put my point and I don't want another person to be able to respond, I simply shout POO or MASTURBATION a couple of times and the chances are the thread will be locked. In effect, this gives members as much control over thread locking as moderators.
<strong>I just wonder whether the concept of thread locking in general can be used to a members benefit. For example, if a thread is started on a topic I disagree with, or I've put my point and I don't want another person to be able to respond, I simply shout POO or MASTURBATION a couple of times and the chances are the thread will be locked. In effect, this gives members as much control over thread locking as moderators.
Just a thought...</strong><hr></blockquote>
In that kind of situation we may remove the offending posts rather than the entire thread.
I think profane is better defined as something extremely vulgar and unpleasing to the ear. I assume that's the definition implied.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I find very little to be "profane." It needs to be defined.
It doesn't have to say exactly what I suggested.....I just think the fact that is now says "the first amendment doesn't apply here" is not the best way to say it.
I do think though, that the way I suggested it clearly states AppleInsider's right to even establish the guidelines in the first place.
Also, I agree that the "current hardware" definition" could be better. "Currently shipping"? I don't think that's the way the forum is now.....it also talks about previous products that are still used. For example, I use a Pismo Powerbook...is a thread on that not allowed?
<strong>It doesn't have to say exactly what I suggested.....I just think the fact that is now says "the first amendment doesn't apply here" is not the best way to say it.
I do think though, that the way I suggested it clearly states AppleInsider's right to even establish the guidelines in the first place.
Also, I agree that the "current hardware" definition" could be better. "Currently shipping"? I don't think that's the way the forum is now.....it also talks about previous products that are still used. For example, I use a Pismo Powerbook...is a thread on that not allowed?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course, yes, you can speak of your Pismo , by currently shipping : we means new stuff and occasions. Perhaps we can change currently shipping by that have been already shipped. You can suggest something, but it must be short.
Also, I agree that the "current hardware" definition" could be better. "Currently shipping"? I don't think that's the way the forum is now.....</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Per the current guidelines, we can talk about the 867DP and 1GhzDP in Current Hardware, and the 1.2GhzDP (shipping in Sept.) in Future Hardware. I realize it gets a little sticky until someone actually has a new machine on their desk, but maybe 'Current Hardware' could be more defined as 'Announced Hardware' to allieviate any confusion.
I violated none of these yet got a thread locked. If you think my thread is lame, that's not grounds for locking it. And if you don't like me, don't like my statements...say it to my face. What grounds is it for me being harassed and getting a thread lock.
AI needs a serious gut check in terms of how they choose moderators around here.
QUESTION: ( I didn't want to start a new thread if I could aviod it)
Are we allowed to sell stuff here? I was trying to find a rule about it but was unable. I'm not being difficult, I just happened to have a AGP Rage 128 from a Graphite G4 and was going to sell it to anyone interested. Is this type of this allowed or is it frowned on. As a side not, why not have a "MarketPlace" thread!! That way we could post up websites which have 'good deals' on parts or we coulds post what we have to sell. I think this would be WILDLY popular. I would read every single post EVERY day. As another side note, yo all remember the 17 inch studio displays (the last CRT that apple made) which were clear and looked kinda retro? <a href="http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_5c40aba7af7ba399b0a73980a2e78516/i-1.JPG"; target="_blank">Like this</a>
Well... I have devised a way of hollowing them out and doing an all out conversion to make them a pretty dang cool fishtank. I would love to sell the directions but again, I don't know if this is allowed. Thx for your replys!!!
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As groverat says though, free speech isn't welcome here.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No one said free speech isn't allowed. The guidelines state that the definition of free speech as defined in the 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution don't apply here because this BB is not the US Congress.
J :cool:
If you don't understand the rules well enough to follow them then I suppose that might make sense.
I realize you are merely pouting and I understand, but the thread violated the posting guidelines, as did the masturbation thread, you really can't trust a European with a definition of what is "sexually graphic" anyway!
And in case you haven't noticed, the masturbation thread is gone. No more griping about how that was allowed, mmk?
And furthermore, scissors, gripes about moderators locking threads belong in the inbox of the moderator or an administrator, not on the boards.
<strong>Free speech isn't welcome here? What does that mean?
If you don't understand the rules well enough to follow them then I suppose that might make sense.
I realize you are merely pouting and I understand, but the thread violated the posting guidelines, as did the masturbation thread, you really can't trust a European with a definition of what is "sexually graphic" anyway!
And in case you haven't noticed, the masturbation thread is gone. No more griping about how that was allowed, mmk?
And furthermore, scissors, gripes about moderators locking threads belong in the inbox of the moderator or an administrator, not on the boards.</strong><hr></blockquote>
first off, neither one of them should be gone, but that's not the point of my post. i do not have a "gripe" about any mods at all, your doing jobs as defined by the guides. my comments about those threads were used to illustrate a point regarding the guides. i simply feel there is a place for random bullshit for the sake of random bullshit. you start trying too hard to clean things up, and you end up having a board with no, for lack of a better word, soul.
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Silliness is allowed, absolutely.
Crude things aren't, and crude things aren't a requisite for something having "soul".
[ 08-08-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
BTW, it's incorrect to say that the First Amendment doesn't apply on a message board. The gov't can't limit speech here or anywhere else. It's not a question of -where- the speech takes place, it's a question of -who- does the censoring.
<strong>Wow. Let's not say we're using this thread for feedback. Let's call it for what it is - a thread for the mods/admins to be defensive.
Oh yeah!? YOU'RE DEFENSIVE!
I, for one, appreciate input into what would make the community better. I appreciate SDW's suggestion, absolutely, but I disagree. I am only one mod among many and I am certainly not an administrator.
[quote]<strong>BTW, it's incorrect to say that the First Amendment doesn't apply on a message board. The gov't can't limit speech here or anywhere else. It's not a question of -where- the speech takes place, it's a question of -who- does the censoring.
You are entirely correct, that is a logical fallacy on my part (I wrote that particular bit).
It should say:
"The administration at AppleInsider is not limited by the 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution which guarantees free speech and protection from prior restraing to American citizens. Being a private enterprise, AppleInsider is also not bound by any similar rights or protections outlined by foreign bodies."
or something like that that sounds better.
Or somesuch.
<strong>Free speech isn't welcome here? What does that mean?
If you don't understand the rules well enough to follow them then I suppose that might make sense.
I realize you are merely pouting and I understand.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm, I guess when you said "#1 is merely meant to inform those that would scream 'What about free speech!?' that free speech doesn't apply here. And believe me, there are many who don't get that point." you were right.
I think there is a distinction between guidelines and rules though. The former seem to have turned into the latter.
And yes, I'm a regular Bridget Bardot when it comes to pouting
<strong>poo and masturbation is "soul"?
[edit]
Silliness is allowed, absolutely.
Crude things aren't, and crude things aren't a requisite for something having "soul".
[ 08-08-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
the issue i'm trying to get at is bigger than those two threads, and no, crudeness does not equate soul. but humor is a big part of it. how are you determining what is silly and what is crude? what, in the context of those two threads, which i might add, were handled quite tactfully by the members of this board, was crude? the topic? i guess i fail to the crudeness and saw a lot of humor, and yes, some insight. sorry to continue this further. i said my peace. i'll take my answer off the air.
Point taken.
When one is obliged to follow guidelines they become rules, yes. I don't see the gap between the two words that you do, perhaps.
scissors:
All specific gripes about specific locks go into the inbox of the moderator or an administrator, how difficult is that concept?
<strong>RodUK:
Point taken.
When one is obliged to follow guidelines they become rules, yes. I don't see the gap between the two words that you do, perhaps.
scissors:
All specific gripes about specific locks go into the inbox of the moderator or an administrator, how difficult is that concept?</strong><hr></blockquote>
what ever. i'm done.
Just a thought...
<strong>I just wonder whether the concept of thread locking in general can be used to a members benefit. For example, if a thread is started on a topic I disagree with, or I've put my point and I don't want another person to be able to respond, I simply shout POO or MASTURBATION a couple of times and the chances are the thread will be locked. In effect, this gives members as much control over thread locking as moderators.
Just a thought...</strong><hr></blockquote>
In that kind of situation we may remove the offending posts rather than the entire thread.
J :cool:
<strong>
I think profane is better defined as something extremely vulgar and unpleasing to the ear. I assume that's the definition implied.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I find very little to be "profane." It needs to be defined.
I do think though, that the way I suggested it clearly states AppleInsider's right to even establish the guidelines in the first place.
Also, I agree that the "current hardware" definition" could be better. "Currently shipping"? I don't think that's the way the forum is now.....it also talks about previous products that are still used. For example, I use a Pismo Powerbook...is a thread on that not allowed?
<strong>It doesn't have to say exactly what I suggested.....I just think the fact that is now says "the first amendment doesn't apply here" is not the best way to say it.
I do think though, that the way I suggested it clearly states AppleInsider's right to even establish the guidelines in the first place.
Also, I agree that the "current hardware" definition" could be better. "Currently shipping"? I don't think that's the way the forum is now.....it also talks about previous products that are still used. For example, I use a Pismo Powerbook...is a thread on that not allowed?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course, yes, you can speak of your Pismo , by currently shipping : we means new stuff and occasions. Perhaps we can change currently shipping by that have been already shipped. You can suggest something, but it must be short.
<strong>
Also, I agree that the "current hardware" definition" could be better. "Currently shipping"? I don't think that's the way the forum is now.....</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Per the current guidelines, we can talk about the 867DP and 1GhzDP in Current Hardware, and the 1.2GhzDP (shipping in Sept.) in Future Hardware. I realize it gets a little sticky until someone actually has a new machine on their desk, but maybe 'Current Hardware' could be more defined as 'Announced Hardware' to allieviate any confusion.
- G
AI needs a serious gut check in terms of how they choose moderators around here.
I proved my point though.
Are we allowed to sell stuff here? I was trying to find a rule about it but was unable. I'm not being difficult, I just happened to have a AGP Rage 128 from a Graphite G4 and was going to sell it to anyone interested. Is this type of this allowed or is it frowned on. As a side not, why not have a "MarketPlace" thread!! That way we could post up websites which have 'good deals' on parts or we coulds post what we have to sell. I think this would be WILDLY popular. I would read every single post EVERY day. As another side note, yo all remember the 17 inch studio displays (the last CRT that apple made) which were clear and looked kinda retro? <a href="http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_5c40aba7af7ba399b0a73980a2e78516/i-1.JPG"; target="_blank">Like this</a>
Well... I have devised a way of hollowing them out and doing an all out conversion to make them a pretty dang cool fishtank. I would love to sell the directions but again, I don't know if this is allowed. Thx for your replys!!!