Bogus image since socialist nations walk the walk.
The one ray of sunlight in my life is the humor I find here.
And "distribute the wealth" is kind of a silly way to purposefully put it
You are correct about that. It’s more “Your wealth now belongs to the state. Resist and you will be executed.” than it is a voluntary redistribution, anyway.
Public infrastructure
lol!
and many services such as parks, schools, emergency, medical… ...etc etc are the exact same thing.
lol
retirement
Which isn’t constitutional, but is beside the point.
I'm not taking sides here, but we, the normal people sit here in the USA and see 98% of the wealth held by 2% (or some such crazy numbers). I don't see a hell of a lot of difference either way. Socialism or Capitalism taken to such extremes means the same, it's masses that get screwed.
As an aside and not connected to politics, just the French, I have never got over the shock of seeing French farmers stopping British trucks (lorries) in France loaded with sheep and burning them alive as a protest against British imports.
I don’t give a tinker’s damn about “the masses” and nether should anyone else. The US is about the rights of the individual, not identity groups, not the government, not masses. Propaganda that keeps pushing the “1%” versus the proletariat narrative is Marxist nonsense.
Here come the defenders of the richest corporation in the world. The French have every right to have their own courts, tax laws and laws defining what is a legal or an illegal protest.
And here comes yet another troll, running his mouth without a clue...
How very French, that these ATTAC members are complaining about companies, and directly to Apple, for using these loopholes rather than presenting their protests directly to the EC for not plugging said loopholes. It gives ATTAC members something to do, I suppose, and a feeling they are "doing some good" despite barking up the wrong tree.
It's their 5 minutes of fame, because otherwise no one would even hear of these idiots.
Bogus image since socialist nations walk the walk. And "distribute the wealth" is kind of a silly way to purposefully put it, when we do the exact same thing for a smaller set of services in the US. Public infrastructure and many services such as parks, schools, emergency, medical, retirement, etc etc are the exact same thing.
socialist nations walk the walk... Are you a comedian?
They never do walk the walk.
At least, socialist leaders never walk the walk, but they sure do a lot of talking about how great socialism is. Maduro, for example, was munching on some food live during one of his TV appearances, while his people were starving (several months ago?
During great famine in Leningrad (WW2), when regular folks were eating corpses, there was a special place where communist elite could eat. Menues included sterlet and salmon, and deli meats......
Cuban Castro gathered billions, while keeping his "brothers" poor and telling them how socialism is great.
Bogus image since socialist nations walk the walk.
The one ray of sunlight in my life is the humor I find here.
And "distribute the wealth" is kind of a silly way to purposefully put it
You are correct about that. It’s more “Your wealth now belongs to the state. Resist and you will be executed.” than it is a voluntary redistribution, anyway.
Public infrastructure
lol!
and many services such as parks, schools, emergency, medical… ...etc etc are the exact same thing.
lol
retirement
Which isn’t constitutional, but is beside the point.
I'm not taking sides here, but we, the normal people sit here in the USA and see 98% of the wealth held by 2% (or some such crazy numbers). I don't see a hell of a lot of difference either way. Socialism or Capitalism taken to such extremes means the same, it's masses that get screwed.
As an aside and not connected to politics, just the French, I have never got over the shock of seeing French farmers stopping British trucks (lorries) in France loaded with sheep and burning them alive as a protest against British imports.
Let me explain to you something. In the US, so called "poor" person is fat, has access to the internet and owns a smartphone, while the real poor in some africa will see food several times....a week...if he is lucky.
There is a famous saying that capitalism creates huge inequality spanning from level of wealth of 20 to 100000000000. But in socialism, that range spans from 0 to 10.
Do you wanna be an average poor in america at the level of 20, or a rich in socialism at the level of 10? Your choice, but since you have internet, I assume you already made that choice and you were not typing your comment from a condo in Venezuela. You can't compare ranges like that - you must compare absolute scale too! And if you do, that will shut you up with your " I don't see a hell of a lot of difference either way".
These protests are weird. Popular (/populist) sentiment is anti EU, because they impose all kinds of onerous rules and regulations on member states. But the EU ordering a sovereign member state how to do their taxes, something the EU officially has no say over, is fine.
These protests are weird. Popular (/populist) sentiment is anti EU, because they impose all kinds of onerous rules and regulations on member states. But the EU ordering a sovereign member state how to do their taxes, something the EU officially has no say over, is fine.
To say the “EU experiment” has turned out to be anything less than a disaster would be generous.
Here come the defenders of the richest corporation in the world. The French have every right to have their own courts, tax laws and laws defining what is a legal or an illegal protest.
Yep and we have the right to voice our opinion whether we agree or not.
Bogus image since socialist nations walk the walk.
The one ray of sunlight in my life is the humor I find here.
And "distribute the wealth" is kind of a silly way to purposefully put it
You are correct about that. It’s more “Your wealth now belongs to the state. Resist and you will be executed.” than it is a voluntary redistribution, anyway.
Public infrastructure
lol!
and many services such as parks, schools, emergency, medical… ...etc etc are the exact same thing.
lol
retirement
Which isn’t constitutional, but is beside the point.
I'm not taking sides here, but we, the normal people sit here in the USA and see 98% of the wealth held by 2% (or some such crazy numbers). I don't see a hell of a lot of difference either way. Socialism or Capitalism taken to such extremes means the same, it's masses that get screwed.
As an aside and not connected to politics, just the French, I have never got over the shock of seeing French farmers stopping British trucks (lorries) in France loaded with sheep and burning them alive as a protest against British imports.
I can never get over the US military invasion of Iraq and the slaughter of millions which have followed but I guess it's fun to be shocked by a group of French farmers.
MacPro said: ...we, the normal people sit here in the USA and see 98% of the wealth held by 2% (or some such crazy numbers).
Yes. And the most suicidally depressing part of this is that I can’t even talk to you about it without your indoctrinated preconceptions shutting the discussion down immediately. I don’t mean you personally; don’t get me wrong. I mean you as in the third person plural–anyone–as a generic statement.
I don't see a hell of a lot of difference either way. Socialism or Capitalism taken to such extremes means the same, it's masses that get screwed.
Well, our current system isn’t capitalism. Keynesianism isn’t capitalism.
...as a protest against British imports.
Would only that were the French style of protest more prevalent in America…
Please make sure you don't collect "Social Security" when you reach retirement age then. In addition make sure you never take advantage of other social programs deeply rooted in our country which millions of people need to survive such as Federal heating and energy assistance, public assistance for the elderly unless you think a 90 years old with no family should be left to die in the streets.
Please make sure you don't collect "Social Security" when you reach retirement age then.
Oh, don’t worry. It will be bankrupt by 2030, so most people won’t be collecting a thing. We’ve known this since the inception of the program and have received regular public warnings since the 1990s, but you can’t be elected anymore without screaming socialist slogans left and right, so it’s the bed we’ve (well, our parents and grandparents) made, so now we have to deal with total societal collapse and sleep (some of us forever) in it.
social programs deeply rooted
And that somehow makes them immutable?
which millions of people need to survive
Sounds like we need to end the Federal Reserve, doesn’t it?
EXPOSE DU LITIGE, PROCÉDURE, PRÉTENTIONS ET MOYENS DES PARTIES
Le samedi 2 décembre 2017, environ 70 membres de l'association pour la Taxation des Transactions Financières et pour
l'Action Citoyenne (ATTAC) ont manifesté à l'intérieur du magasin Apple Store Opéra, ce qui a conduit à l'évacuation et la
fermeture du magasin pendant quelques heures.
Suite à une réunion entre la société Apple Retail France et l'association ATTAC le 18 décembre 2017, celle-ci aurait confirmé
qu'elle envisageait de nouvelles actions visant à bloquer les magasins, si APPLE ne répondait pas favorablement à ses
demandes sur le paiement de l'amende.
C’est dans ces conditions que par acte d’huissier en date du 21 décembre 2017, la société APPLE RETAIL FRANCE a fait
assigner l'association ATTAC devant le juge des référés du Tribunal de grande instance de Paris, afin de demander
notamment:
-de faire interdiction à l'association ATTAC de pénétrer à l'intérieur des magasins exploités par APPLE RETAIL FRANCE
sur tout le territoire national, à compter du prononcé de l'ordonnance, et sous astreinte de 150 000 € par violation de
l'interdiction, pendant une durée de trois années à compter de l'ordonnance de référé;
-d'autoriser APPLE RETAIL FRANCE à mandater un huissier de justice pour faire évacuer tout rassemblement organisé par ATTAC
dans un ou plusieurs magasins exploités par APPLE RETAIL FRANCE sur le territoire national;
-de condamner l'association ATTAC à lui verser la somme de 3 000 € sur le fondement de l'article 700 du code de procédure civile,
outre les entiers dépens ;
Dans ses observations orales soutenues à l’audience du 12 février 2018, la société APPLE RETAIL FRANCE maintient ses
demandes formées dans l'assignation.
Elle expose qu'il existe une campagne nationale de l'association ATTAC contre la société APPLE au sujet d'une amende à payer par cette société ; que la procédure initiée n'est pas une procédure bâillon, mais une réponse à un dommage imminent,
sur le fondement de l'article 809 du code de procédure civile ; qu'il existe une escalade dans les moyens et les actions de l'association ATTAC ; que la ligne jaune a été franchie lors de la pénétration dans les magasins APPLE ; que le dommage lors des intrusions troublant gravement le fonctionnement de l'activité commerciale des magasins, et l'imminence de nouvelles actions sont
caractérisés.
Elle conteste l'incompétence du juge des référés, qui peut ordonner une mesure provisoire, et la demande présentée ne se fondant sur aucune infraction pénale.
Please make sure you don't collect "Social Security" when you reach retirement age then.
Wait a second. If he paid into it, what would be wrong with collecting what he paid in? You seem to be implying that social security is giving people something. In fact you seem to be implying that about any other "services" provided by the government. There's nothing hypocritical or philosophically inconsistent about utilizing "services" that are paid for by the taxes taken from you (e.g., roads, police, fire, etc.)
When you retire and decided to collect your SS benefits you will not really be receiving the money paid into the system, that money was used to pay the benefits for the previous generation (your parents) and the benefits you receive are from the pool of current workers. My point is that people think socialism and its programs are inherently bad and un-American. The same people like to criticize nations none of them have ever traveled to and know little about those societies. The reality is countries with many socialists programs in place have the highest standard of living for their citizens. I have been traveling to Scandinavia for 3 decades and if American's had any idea of how much better people have it there they might wake up from their consumerism coma and demand more from our lawmakers. When I see commenters slam "socialism' or government back social programs I can only assume they have never traveled, somehow believe zero safety net is the best way to become elderly and refuse to challenge their beliefs, ever.
spice-boy said: ...somehow believe zero safety net is the best way to become elderly and refuse to challenge their beliefs, ever.
For crying out loud. Do I have to post the quotes again? Do you commies really have to pigeonhole yourselves into a mindless parrot that can be refuted by the same content every single time? I know the answer already–you do. It’s the perpetual, identical repetition of falsehoods that wears your defensive opponents down to the point of APATHY, at which point you’re able to subvert their governmental system and gain a little power. And then you use that power to block your opponents from getting power themselves, and then you infect the whole system.
Every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say we want no religion at all. We object to state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.
You say, “There are persons who have no money,” and you turn to the law. But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk. Nor are the lacteal veins of the law supplied with milk from a source outside the society. Nothing can enter the public treasury for the benefit of one citizen or class unless other citizens or classes have been forced to send it in. If every person draws from the treasury the amount he has put in it, it is true that the law then plunders nobody. But this procedure does nothing for the persons who have no money. It does not promote equality of income. The law can be an instrument of equalization only as it takes from some persons and gives it to other persons. When the law does this, it is an instrument of plunder.
– Frederic Bastiat
Oh, by the way, the only people who refuse to challenge their own beliefs are liberals. It might hurt someone’s feelings to go against the Party narrative, and since feelings are the only thing that matters (since fact doesn’t exist), if you hurt someone’s feelings you are a bad person.
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It's their 5 minutes of fame, because otherwise no one would even hear of these idiots.
Let me explain to you something. In the US, so called "poor" person is fat, has access to the internet and owns a smartphone, while the real poor in some africa will see food several times....a week...if he is lucky.
Did it occur to you that some free peoples do not want to live under American law?
Isn't the right to free speech great?
I can never get over the US military invasion of Iraq and the slaughter of millions which have followed but I guess it's fun to be shocked by a group of French farmers.
Well, our current system isn’t capitalism. Keynesianism isn’t capitalism.Would only that were the French style of protest more prevalent in America…
And that somehow makes them immutable?
Sounds like we need to end the Federal Reserve, doesn’t it?
Oh, by the way, the only people who refuse to challenge their own beliefs are liberals. It might hurt someone’s feelings to go against the Party narrative, and since feelings are the only thing that matters (since fact doesn’t exist), if you hurt someone’s feelings you are a bad person.