Apple picks up TV adaptation of Isaac Asimov's 'Foundation' sci-fi novels

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  • Reply 21 of 90
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 12,799member
    Soli said:
    Considering Apple's "PG" goals this seems like a solid move.
    Apples PG goals are why they will have problems in the long run. GOT isn't hot because of a PG rating, it amounts to soft porn at times.  

    Apple will need variety if it wants to be successful. 
    randominternetperson
  • Reply 22 of 90
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 12,799member
    MacPro said:
    Apple will need a GOT or a WestWorld type series to have a big impact.
    No they don’t need that sort of useless nudity.
    Nudity is never useless.  
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  • Reply 23 of 90
    akindcakindc Posts: 14member
    I love the books, but I'm not the least bit optimistic.
    There's very little action in the books...it's mostly talking and discussions.
    I'm worried that they're going to have to add som much to make it viable as a show that anything good about it will be lost.
    Hope I'm wrong.
    randominternetpersonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 90
    akindcakindc Posts: 14member
    sy1492 said:
    Foundation is one of those futuristic books that ages very poorly as real technology develops. Its like the book branched off one way and reality branches off the other way.
    After so much dystopic post-modern crap, a bit of utopia / optimism from one of the founders of sci-fi is welcome.
    Utopia? Did you read the books?
    jasenj1
  • Reply 25 of 90
    I read the Foundation series in my early teens and loved it. To me, it was so well thought out and so deep! I tried to read it again as an adult and found the writing childish and the plot simplistic. However... a good director can really turn it into a fantastic series, in my opinion. I also agree that the robots series is prime material for a series, unfortunately the rights are probably all tied up with the film and sequels to the Will Smith movie. Foundation was a good pick and I can't wait to see what they come up with!
  • Reply 26 of 90
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,263member
    jasenj1 said:
    I can't say I'm excited about Apple becoming a content company as well as a hardware, software, & services company. I'd rather Tim Cook and the other executives be concerned about Mac OS & making sure software updates get proper testing before release rather than whether to stay true to a book or veer off into "creative original" plots.
     
    Provide a platform for Netflix, Amazon, CBS, etc. to display their content on.
    I'm thrilled actually. That platform will now be fed even more creative content, and not cheapened on budgets. The sooner we get out of the Cable/Satellite package monopolies the better. Apple can also push 4k and more, at an earlier and more often pace.

    Large Motion Picture Studios now have to take a much closer look at all the creative ideas they buy and shelve that never see the light of day.
  • Reply 27 of 90
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,850member
    wizard69 said:
    Soli said:
    Considering Apple's "PG" goals this seems like a solid move.
    Apples PG goals are why they will have problems in the long run. GOT isn't hot because of a PG rating, it amounts to soft porn at times.  

    Apple will need variety if it wants to be successful. 
    I agree. I give zero fucks about the language, nudity, sex, and other “adult” content of GoT, but often it doesn’t seem to help the narrative, especially the sex scenes. It seems more like a cheap ploy to attract viewers.

    I’d say that Starz’s Outlander is considerably more visceral, but it seems to fit the narrative much better.

    Did you ever see that SNL skit where Adam Samberg plays a 13yo script consultant responsible for all the nudity and sex? (This was oddly hard to find)


    edited April 2018
  • Reply 28 of 90
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 2,354member
    I am excited to hear this, and am looking forward to hearing/seeing more.

    The original 3 books from the 50s are the gold standard of the genre. However, when Isaac went back to then in the 80s with his newly found word processor, and an editor that would print everything that came out of it, the quality declined dramatically. This happened to many authors IMO: David Weber (Honor Harrington) and Tom Clancy (Jack Ryan) to name a couple.
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  • Reply 29 of 90
    foljsfoljs Posts: 335member
    sy1492 said:
    Foundation is one of those futuristic books that ages very poorly as real technology develops. Its like the book branched off one way and reality branches off the other way.
    There's absolutely nothing about the plot of Foundation (and I've read all 6 main books + 2 extras produced later), that depends on some specific technology.

    Or anything that doesn't tie well to our present society for that matter...
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  • Reply 30 of 90
    foljsfoljs Posts: 335member
    MacPro said:
    Apple will need a GOT or a WestWorld type series to have a big impact.
    No they don’t need that sort of useless nudity.
    Let me guess: American, and descendant of protestant puritan religious nuts?
    fastasleepmacky the mackylordjohnwhorfin
  • Reply 31 of 90
    entropysentropys Posts: 1,710member
    sy1492 said:
    Foundation is one of those futuristic books that ages very poorly as real technology develops. Its like the book branched off one way and reality branches off the other way.
    After so much dystopic post-modern crap, a bit of utopia / optimism from one of the founders of sci-fi is welcome.
    As I recall the Foundation series was the Fall of the Roman Empire in Space, combined with the collectivist dream of scientific manipulation of the masses through mathematics.  I think that has quite a bit of dystopia in it. 

    Read them a couple of times and I don’t think it would translate well.[spoilers]. There just isn’t nough action.
    It was redeemed a bit by having real life intervene with the mule, before going right off the rails with all that Gaia shit.  Making glossy CGI of the glories of Trantor at its peak and then decline won’t make up for what is mostly an intellectual exercise as far as ratings go. 

    The robot series would be better to convert to screen. 

    Heck if you wanted to make binge worthy tv series of old sci fi, some Heinlein would be cool, particularly “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress*”, “Tunnel in the Sky*”, “Farmer in the Sky” or maybe even a real version of “Starship Troopers” that bears an actual relationship to the original story than just the title.  

    *you could probably get the sex, blood and guts some people are apparently craving for out of these two.
    randominternetperson
  • Reply 32 of 90
    lmaclmac Posts: 187member
    Asimov's Foundation series is thoughtful and slow paced, but also epic in scale. Yes, also a little dated; there were no major female characters. People had wearable nuclear reactors but computers were as big as warehouses. But it was full of big ideas, and would be a refreshing change from all of the dystopian first person shooters that get made these days. It would require a fairly major adaptation to bring it to screen, and a mini-series would be the right venue. It could be done, and it could be quite good. I'm cautiously optimistic about this!
    edited April 2018
  • Reply 33 of 90
    entropysentropys Posts: 1,710member

    jasenj1 said:
    I can't say I'm excited about Apple becoming a content company as well as a hardware, software, & services company. I'd rather Tim Cook and the other executives be concerned about Mac OS...etc
     
    Provide a platform for Netflix, Amazon, CBS, etc. to display their content on.
    a good point: Provide the best platform for Netflix, Amazon, CBS, etc. to display their content on.

    More likely the risk with the current approach is temptation to adopt the current mapping or subscription music strategies. Downgrade the experience of competing services.
  • Reply 34 of 90
    entropys said:
    sy1492 said:
    Foundation is one of those futuristic books that ages very poorly as real technology develops. Its like the book branched off one way and reality branches off the other way.
    After so much dystopic post-modern crap, a bit of utopia / optimism from one of the founders of sci-fi is welcome.
    As I recall the Foundation series was the Fall of the Roman Empire in Space, combined with the collectivist dream of scientific manipulation of the masses through mathematics.  I think that has quite a bit of dystopia in it. 

    Read them a couple of times and I don’t think it would translate well.[spoilers]. There just isn’t nough action.
    It was redeemed a bit by having real life intervene with the mule, before going right off the rails with all that Gaia shit.  Making glossy CGI of the glories of Trantor at its peak and then decline won’t make up for what is mostly an intellectual exercise as far as ratings go. 

    The robot series would be better to convert to screen. 

    Heck if you wanted to make binge worthy tv series of old sci fi, some Heinlein would be cool, particularly “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress*”, “Tunnel in the Sky*”, “Farmer in the Sky” or maybe even a real version of “Starship Troopers” that bears an actual relationship to the original story than just the title.  

    *you could probably get the sex, blood and guts some people are apparently craving for out of these two.
    Agree completely, especially with the Moon is a Harsh Mistress suggestion.  Frankly, I'm surprised that was never turned into a movie.  The Martian was a big hit, so maybe some studio exec will sign off on it.
  • Reply 35 of 90
    bb-15bb-15 Posts: 258member
    The Foundation series has some of the same characteristics as Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones, but I expect it will be much less marketable.  Without sword and sorcery or sex or dramatic combat, there will be fewer hooks to draw people in.  But yes, hard core scifi nerds (which represents few few million people, perhaps) will give it a chance--if they can find it (since it won't just show up on Netflix or network television where people stumble onto things).
    The Expanse sci-if show also has characteristics of Lord of the Rings / Game of Thrones and it is successful enough to get a 3rd season. 
    A successful Foundation series is possible. 
    fastasleep
  • Reply 36 of 90
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,122member
    entropys said:
    sy1492 said:
    Foundation is one of those futuristic books that ages very poorly as real technology develops. Its like the book branched off one way and reality branches off the other way.
    After so much dystopic post-modern crap, a bit of utopia / optimism from one of the founders of sci-fi is welcome.
    As I recall the Foundation series was the Fall of the Roman Empire in Space, combined with the collectivist dream of scientific manipulation of the masses through mathematics.  I think that has quite a bit of dystopia in it. 

    Read them a couple of times and I don’t think it would translate well.[spoilers]. There just isn’t nough action.
    It was redeemed a bit by having real life intervene with the mule, before going right off the rails with all that Gaia shit.  Making glossy CGI of the glories of Trantor at its peak and then decline won’t make up for what is mostly an intellectual exercise as far as ratings go. 

    The robot series would be better to convert to screen. 

    Heck if you wanted to make binge worthy tv series of old sci fi, some Heinlein would be cool, particularly “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress*”, “Tunnel in the Sky*”, “Farmer in the Sky” or maybe even a real version of “Starship Troopers” that bears an actual relationship to the original story than just the title.  

    *you could probably get the sex, blood and guts some people are apparently craving for out of these two.
    Would love to see a lot of the Heinlein books translated to movies or a TV series... or a series of series.

    Here's another author whose works should be turned into a series: Lovecraft. And get Guillermo Del Toro to write and direct.
    edited April 2018 StrangeDaysunbeliever2
  • Reply 37 of 90
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,249member
    MacPro said:
    Apple will need a GOT or a WestWorld type series to have a big impact.
    No they don’t need that sort of useless nudity.
    History might disagree with you.
  • Reply 38 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 7,621member
    sy1492 said:
    Foundation is one of those futuristic books that ages very poorly as real technology develops. Its like the book branched off one way and reality branches off the other way.
    You're certainly entitled to your opinion... But considering how far into the future the stories take place and the basic premise (second fall of the roman empire/dark ages where people forget how technology works creating a class of techno-priests), I'm struggling to agree with it.
    edited April 2018
  • Reply 39 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 7,621member

    gatorguy said:
    Well this could go one of two ways: End up similar to the screen adaptation of "Dune" and because it had so many necessary characters and nuances ended up a mess, or closer to a very worthy novel-to-screen like Blade Runner.
    Okay, 1) Dune wasn't a mess and is now a cult classic; it's one of my personal favorite science-fiction films. 2) My other favorite is Blade Runner, which has little to do with the novel it's based on.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 40 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 7,621member
    gatorguy said:
    or closer to a very worthy novel-to-screen like Blade Runner. 
    Blade Runner is a pretty loose adaptation of Philip K. Dick's novel. It's more like general-concept-to-screen than anything else. 
    Correct. The book was short. The world of the movie was really filled in by Ridley Scott, Syd Mead and the art director & production designer team.
    And Hampton Fancher, the writer of the screenplay.
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