Android Xiaomi Mi 8 shamelessly copies iPhone X

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  • Reply 21 of 111
    nunzynunzy Posts: 662member
    MacPro said:
    but ... but ... when the 'notch' first appeared all the Apple haters mocked it!
    They also mocked Copernicus. Now they claim it was obvious. Android and Google steal everything from Apple.
    magman1979watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 111
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    There are more things 

    Android Xiaomi Mi 8 copy/share with iPhone X.

    First of all, the notch is supported by the new Google Android OS that Apple never dared to sue Google from the beginning.
    Second Xiaomi used the same manufacturer Foxcomm to make the copycats. It is very easy for Foxcomm engineers to forward iPhone X design to Xiaomi, right?
    Finally, have you seen the new Huawei MateBook Pro? It is also very similar to MacBook Pro. 
  • Reply 23 of 111
    Soli said:

    One thing I am understand is - Why is Apple NOT suing them? This would teach them a lesson and also prevent blatant copying like what is going on, particularly with the notch.

    At the very least, Apple would struggle to demonstrate that it owns the notch design. As it says in the article, Essential came out with a notch before Apple did. LG also filed a patent in 2016 that had a phone with a notch in the illustration. Let's be realistic, the notch is not an intentional design, it's a workaround before anyone figures out how to make a bezel-free phone.
    1) While I don't think the notch is protectable, it's disingenuous to imply that Essential was first with the idea (which may or may not be what you're implying) when the rumours of the notched phone predate Essential Phone's first announcement of their design that only notched the camera. This notion gets even more warped when you see people saying that Apple stole the idea from Essential when it's impossible based on the timeline of their products, unless one can prove that Apple had a spy into Essential's designs and took the idea from them.

    2) The notch is absolutely intentional. "Workarounds," if you want to call it that, are intentional. It's very clearly a motion to make more of the front face the display but needed to keep certain sensors and components front facing. It's because of the nw display tech that allows it to exist. The notch is not an accident! Notching was going to happen as soon as foldable display tech became available.
    If we're talking about whether or not Apple can sue Xiaomi, who came up with the notch in a board room is fairly irrelevant. Essential was first to unveil the design. Apple can't claim that Xiaomi stole their design if they weren't the first in the market with it. But as you say, the notch is probably not protectable so we basically agree that Apple/Essential/whoever was first can't/shouldn't be able to sue anyone over it.
  • Reply 24 of 111
    KITAKITA Posts: 392member
    tzeshan said:

    Finally, have you seen the new Huawei MateBook Pro? It is also very similar to MacBook Pro. 
    This one is interesting because it's also sold in the USA. Looking closely at it, some aspects are similar, however it's also very different. The touch display's aspect ratio is 3:2 (same as Microsoft's Surface line), the camera is hidden in the keyboard, and the shape of the body is different.







    While I can't speak for the Xiaomi phone, Huawei actually made a computer that well exceeds the 2017 MacBook Pro in a number of key areas. Higher keyboard key travel, quad core Intel CPU, NVIDIA dGPU with VRAM, 3:2 aspect ratio, higher resolution, etc. And then comes the fact that the top tier model with 16 GB RAM / 512 GB storage is $1,499.



  • Reply 25 of 111
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
    Soli said:

    One thing I am understand is - Why is Apple NOT suing them? This would teach them a lesson and also prevent blatant copying like what is going on, particularly with the notch.

    At the very least, Apple would struggle to demonstrate that it owns the notch design. As it says in the article, Essential came out with a notch before Apple did. LG also filed a patent in 2016 that had a phone with a notch in the illustration. Let's be realistic, the notch is not an intentional design, it's a workaround before anyone figures out how to make a bezel-free phone.
    1) While I don't think the notch is protectable, it's disingenuous to imply that Essential was first with the idea (which may or may not be what you're implying) when the rumours of the notched phone predate Essential Phone's first announcement of their design that only notched the camera. This notion gets even more warped when you see people saying that Apple stole the idea from Essential when it's impossible based on the timeline of their products, unless one can prove that Apple had a spy into Essential's designs and took the idea from them.

    2) The notch is absolutely intentional. "Workarounds," if you want to call it that, are intentional. It's very clearly a motion to make more of the front face the display but needed to keep certain sensors and components front facing. It's because of the nw display tech that allows it to exist. The notch is not an accident! Notching was going to happen as soon as foldable display tech became available.
    If we're talking about whether or not Apple can sue Xiaomi, who came up with the notch in a board room is fairly irrelevant. Essential was first to unveil the design. Apple can't claim that Xiaomi stole their design if they weren't the first in the market with it. But as you say, the notch is probably not protectable so we basically agree that Apple/Essential/whoever was first can't/shouldn't be able to sue anyone over it.
    Have you seen the difference between an Essential phone and iPhone X, as it pertains to how the notch looks?  And then compare to what the "notch" on all the recent Android phones looks like?  Do you really want to make the claim that they are copying Essential...
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 111
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,844member
    avon b7 said:
    The notch is merely a cutout in the screen to minimise bezels.
    Ah yes, it's completely organic that the knockoffs reached this point in their product design immediately after Apple's controversial decision, and that their entire casings, trim, icons, notch shapes, wallpaper, and even product photography are designed to ape the X. 

    There's no way this is just a shameless ripoff by another chinese knockoff, right?






    edited May 2018 radarthekattmaymagman1979muthuk_vanalingamsphericwatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 111
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    MacPro said:
    but ... but ... when the 'notch' first appeared all the Apple haters mocked it!
    Mocking almost always precedes knocking off.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 111
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,844member
    Soli said:
    MacPro said:
    but ... but ... when the 'notch' first appeared all the Apple haters mocked it!
    Stages of Apple Hatred:

    Stage 1: What a dumb move by Apple.

    Stage 2: Apple wasn't the first to offer this.

    Stage 3: Everyone is doing it because it was the obvious move all along.
    Another version here:
     
    https://medium.com/rethink-reviews/airpods-and-the-three-stages-of-apple-criticism-fed70b84e435

    Stage 1: Anger

    Stage 2: Blaming the Victims

    Stage 3: Acceptance 
    Soliradarthekatmagman1979
  • Reply 29 of 111
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,625member
    Soli said:

    One thing I am understand is - Why is Apple NOT suing them? This would teach them a lesson and also prevent blatant copying like what is going on, particularly with the notch.

    At the very least, Apple would struggle to demonstrate that it owns the notch design. As it says in the article, Essential came out with a notch before Apple did. LG also filed a patent in 2016 that had a phone with a notch in the illustration. Let's be realistic, the notch is not an intentional design, it's a workaround before anyone figures out how to make a bezel-free phone.
    1) While I don't think the notch is protectable, it's disingenuous to imply that Essential was first with the idea (which may or may not be what you're implying) when the rumours of the notched phone predate Essential Phone's first announcement of their design that only notched the camera. This notion gets even more warped when you see people saying that Apple stole the idea from Essential when it's impossible based on the timeline of their products, unless one can prove that Apple had a spy into Essential's designs and took the idea from them.

    2) The notch is absolutely intentional. "Workarounds," if you want to call it that, are intentional. It's very clearly a motion to make more of the front face the display but needed to keep certain sensors and components front facing. It's because of the nw display tech that allows it to exist. The notch is not an accident! Notching was going to happen as soon as foldable display tech became available.
    His post is fine when taken in the right context.

    When he says the notch is not an intentional design, it is the context of it being a compromise and that if it were possible to not have it while maintaining the same functionality, it wouldn't exist. It is a workaround.

    The same logic applies to every other notch out there.
  • Reply 30 of 111
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:

    One thing I am understand is - Why is Apple NOT suing them? This would teach them a lesson and also prevent blatant copying like what is going on, particularly with the notch.

    At the very least, Apple would struggle to demonstrate that it owns the notch design. As it says in the article, Essential came out with a notch before Apple did. LG also filed a patent in 2016 that had a phone with a notch in the illustration. Let's be realistic, the notch is not an intentional design, it's a workaround before anyone figures out how to make a bezel-free phone.
    1) While I don't think the notch is protectable, it's disingenuous to imply that Essential was first with the idea (which may or may not be what you're implying) when the rumours of the notched phone predate Essential Phone's first announcement of their design that only notched the camera. This notion gets even more warped when you see people saying that Apple stole the idea from Essential when it's impossible based on the timeline of their products, unless one can prove that Apple had a spy into Essential's designs and took the idea from them.

    2) The notch is absolutely intentional. "Workarounds," if you want to call it that, are intentional. It's very clearly a motion to make more of the front face the display but needed to keep certain sensors and components front facing. It's because of the nw display tech that allows it to exist. The notch is not an accident! Notching was going to happen as soon as foldable display tech became available.
    His post is fine when taken in the right context.

    When he says the notch is not an intentional design, it is the context of it being a compromise and that if it were possible to not have it while maintaining the same functionality, it wouldn't exist. It is a workaround.

    The same logic applies to every other notch out there.
    1) Workarounds are intentional, not accidental.

    2) I don't think "the same logic applies to every other notch out there." I think many companies, specifically Xiaomi, intended to copy Apple at every move they could. Their placement for the dual cameras, for example, is not a mere coincidence, but because Apple did it that way. The same goes for the notch. First and foremost the entire design is an intentional copy to grab onto as much of Apple's mindshare as possible within their budget constraints.
    edited May 2018 radarthekatmagman1979muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 111
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,625member
    avon b7 said:
    The notch is merely a cutout in the screen to minimise bezels.
    Ah yes, it's completely organic that the knockoffs reached this point in their product design immediately after Apple's controversial decision, and that their entire casings, trim, icons, notch shapes, wallpaper, and even product photography are designed to ape the X. 

    There's no way this is just a shameless ripoff by another chinese knockoff, right?






    As I said very clearly. A notch is a notch is a notch.  If we are talking about that, notches, Apple wasn't first and saying (as some do) that there were rumours about the Apple notch and that Essential and Sharp quickly took those rumours and brought products to market first, is simply laughable.

    Another thing is if someone makes a clone of the whole thing.


  • Reply 32 of 111
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,625member
    MacPro said:
    but ... but ... when the 'notch' first appeared all the Apple haters mocked it!
    The first Sharp notched screens were also mocked and it wasn't only Apple haters that mocked the iPhone X. Apple users did too.


  • Reply 33 of 111
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member

    One thing I am understand is - Why is Apple NOT suing them? This would teach them a lesson and also prevent blatant copying like what is going on, particularly with the notch.

    At the very least, Apple would struggle to demonstrate that it owns the notch design. As it says in the article, Essential came out with a notch before Apple did. LG also filed a patent in 2016 that had a phone with a notch in the illustration. Let's be realistic, the notch is not an intentional design, it's a workaround before anyone figures out how to make a bezel-free phone.
    It "came" out with it only if in an universe where up is down.
    Considering the timeline and the sales volume and the fact no phone looks like the essential and all look like the Iphone X and none look like that other phone, I'd call you des-ingenuousness at best.
    radarthekatmuthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 111
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,625member
    KITA said:
    tzeshan said:

    Finally, have you seen the new Huawei MateBook Pro? It is also very similar to MacBook Pro. 
    This one is interesting because it's also sold in the USA. Looking closely at it, some aspects are similar, however it's also very different. The touch display's aspect ratio is 3:2 (same as Microsoft's Surface line), the camera is hidden in the keyboard, and the shape of the body is different.







    While I can't speak for the Xiaomi phone, Huawei actually made a. computer that well exceeds the 2017 MacBook Pro in a number of key areas. Higher keyboard key travel, quad core Intel CPU, NVIDIA dGPU with VRAM, 3:2 aspect ratio, higher resolution, etc. And then comes the fact that the top tier model with 16 GB RAM / 512 GB storage is $1,499.



    Currently, general opinion is that it is best in class and marking the way for others to follow - Apple included. Spill proof keyboard too.

    Available in the US at quite frankly an amazing price point.

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/29/17396818/huawei-matebook-x-pro-laptop-review-specs-price

    While Apple probably wouldn't use a touchscreen, I think they will definitely get the bezels down to a minimum.

    And it's time to bring back the illuminated Apple logo!
  • Reply 35 of 111
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,844member
    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:

    One thing I am understand is - Why is Apple NOT suing them? This would teach them a lesson and also prevent blatant copying like what is going on, particularly with the notch.

    At the very least, Apple would struggle to demonstrate that it owns the notch design. As it says in the article, Essential came out with a notch before Apple did. LG also filed a patent in 2016 that had a phone with a notch in the illustration. Let's be realistic, the notch is not an intentional design, it's a workaround before anyone figures out how to make a bezel-free phone.
    1) While I don't think the notch is protectable, it's disingenuous to imply that Essential was first with the idea (which may or may not be what you're implying) when the rumours of the notched phone predate Essential Phone's first announcement of their design that only notched the camera. This notion gets even more warped when you see people saying that Apple stole the idea from Essential when it's impossible based on the timeline of their products, unless one can prove that Apple had a spy into Essential's designs and took the idea from them.

    2) The notch is absolutely intentional. "Workarounds," if you want to call it that, are intentional. It's very clearly a motion to make more of the front face the display but needed to keep certain sensors and components front facing. It's because of the nw display tech that allows it to exist. The notch is not an accident! Notching was going to happen as soon as foldable display tech became available.
    His post is fine when taken in the right context.

    When he says the notch is not an intentional design, it is the context of it being a compromise and that if it were possible to not have it while maintaining the same functionality, it wouldn't exist. It is a workaround.

    The same logic applies to every other notch out there.
    By this absurdly stupid logic -- cars with wheels are not an intentional design, because were it possible to have anti-grav-powered flying cars while maintaining the same functionality, wheeled cars would not exist.

    Do you even listen to yourself? Or is the desire to apologize for chinese knockoffs so deep that you must convolute yourself into these absurdist positions?
    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 111
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,844member

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    The notch is merely a cutout in the screen to minimise bezels.
    Ah yes, it's completely organic that the knockoffs reached this point in their product design immediately after Apple's controversial decision, and that their entire casings, trim, icons, notch shapes, wallpaper, and even product photography are designed to ape the X. 

    There's no way this is just a shameless ripoff by another chinese knockoff, right?






    As I said very clearly. A notch is a notch is a notch.  If we are talking about that, notches, Apple wasn't first and saying (as some do) that there were rumours about the Apple notch and that Essential and Sharp quickly took those rumours and brought products to market first, is simply laughable.

    Another thing is if someone makes a clone of the whole thing.


    I don't recall anyone saying X was the first to release a device with a protrusion into the screen, but their protrusion, shaped and defined as a "notch" is unique even from Essential. And further, the post-X clones are shameless ripoffs in every way they can achieve. 

    Can you say it, perhaps just one time: "These are ripoffs of the X". Try it.
    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 37 of 111
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    The notch is merely a cutout in the screen to minimise bezels.
    Ah yes, it's completely organic that the knockoffs reached this point in their product design immediately after Apple's controversial decision, and that their entire casings, trim, icons, notch shapes, wallpaper, and even product photography are designed to ape the X. 

    There's no way this is just a shameless ripoff by another chinese knockoff, right?






    As I said very clearly. A notch is a notch is a notch.  If we are talking about that, notches, Apple wasn't first and saying (as some do) that there were rumours about the Apple notch and that Essential and Sharp quickly took those rumours and brought products to market first, is simply laughable.

    Another thing is if someone makes a clone of the whole thing.


    I don't recall anyone saying X was the first to release a device with a protrusion into the screen, but their protrusion, shaped and defined as a "notch" is unique even from Essential. And further, the post-X clones are shameless ripoffs in every way they can achieve. 

    Can you say it, perhaps just one time: "These are ripoffs of the X". Try it.
    If one were to do one of those before and after the iPhone images, I think it's just Essential Phone with the round camera cutout, then the iPhone X in the middle, and then all the devices that came after it with an iPhone X-esque notch.
    edited May 2018 radarthekat
  • Reply 38 of 111
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,178member
    Soli said:

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    The notch is merely a cutout in the screen to minimise bezels.
    Ah yes, it's completely organic that the knockoffs reached this point in their product design immediately after Apple's controversial decision, and that their entire casings, trim, icons, notch shapes, wallpaper, and even product photography are designed to ape the X. 

    There's no way this is just a shameless ripoff by another chinese knockoff, right?






    As I said very clearly. A notch is a notch is a notch.  If we are talking about that, notches, Apple wasn't first and saying (as some do) that there were rumours about the Apple notch and that Essential and Sharp quickly took those rumours and brought products to market first, is simply laughable.

    Another thing is if someone makes a clone of the whole thing.


    I don't recall anyone saying X was the first to release a device with a protrusion into the screen, but their protrusion, shaped and defined as a "notch" is unique even from Essential. And further, the post-X clones are shameless ripoffs in every way they can achieve. 

    Can you say it, perhaps just one time: "These are ripoffs of the X". Try it.
    If one were to do one of those before and after the iPhone images, I think it's just Essential Phone with the round camera cutout, then the iPhone X in the middle, and then all the devices that came after it with an iPhone X-esque notch.
    TBH it shouldn't be surprising. I doubt Apple was one of the very first to consider one to otherwise maximize screen real estate, but certainly one of the very first to "have the courage" to use it on a shipping phone and see what the buyer reaction would be. Now that Apple has proved at least some good percentage of the buying public is perfectly OK with it of course there will be followers. 
    edited May 2018 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 39 of 111
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    gatorguy said:
    Soli said:

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    The notch is merely a cutout in the screen to minimise bezels.
    Ah yes, it's completely organic that the knockoffs reached this point in their product design immediately after Apple's controversial decision, and that their entire casings, trim, icons, notch shapes, wallpaper, and even product photography are designed to ape the X. 

    There's no way this is just a shameless ripoff by another chinese knockoff, right?






    As I said very clearly. A notch is a notch is a notch.  If we are talking about that, notches, Apple wasn't first and saying (as some do) that there were rumours about the Apple notch and that Essential and Sharp quickly took those rumours and brought products to market first, is simply laughable.

    Another thing is if someone makes a clone of the whole thing.


    I don't recall anyone saying X was the first to release a device with a protrusion into the screen, but their protrusion, shaped and defined as a "notch" is unique even from Essential. And further, the post-X clones are shameless ripoffs in every way they can achieve. 

    Can you say it, perhaps just one time: "These are ripoffs of the X". Try it.
    If one were to do one of those before and after the iPhone images, I think it's just Essential Phone with the round camera cutout, then the iPhone X in the middle, and then all the devices that came after it with an iPhone X-esque notch.
    TBH it shouldn't be surprising. I doubt Apple was one of the very first to consider one to otherwise maximize screen real estate, but certainly one of the very first to "have the courage" to use it on a shipping phone and see what the buyer reaction would be. Now that Apple has proved at least some good percentage of the buying public is perfectly OK with it of course there will be followers. 
    If we're talking about making the display cover more of the front face, then sure, but if we're talking about the Xiaomi 6, then I don't see their design as being anything but a direct attempt to copy Apple as much as they could. I don't think they said, "Oh, now that Apple has proven it's viable, we can dust off our coincidentally nearly identical looking design."
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 40 of 111
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,178member
    Soli said:
    gatorguy said:
    Soli said:

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    The notch is merely a cutout in the screen to minimise bezels.
    Ah yes, it's completely organic that the knockoffs reached this point in their product design immediately after Apple's controversial decision, and that their entire casings, trim, icons, notch shapes, wallpaper, and even product photography are designed to ape the X. 

    There's no way this is just a shameless ripoff by another chinese knockoff, right?






    As I said very clearly. A notch is a notch is a notch.  If we are talking about that, notches, Apple wasn't first and saying (as some do) that there were rumours about the Apple notch and that Essential and Sharp quickly took those rumours and brought products to market first, is simply laughable.

    Another thing is if someone makes a clone of the whole thing.


    I don't recall anyone saying X was the first to release a device with a protrusion into the screen, but their protrusion, shaped and defined as a "notch" is unique even from Essential. And further, the post-X clones are shameless ripoffs in every way they can achieve. 

    Can you say it, perhaps just one time: "These are ripoffs of the X". Try it.
    If one were to do one of those before and after the iPhone images, I think it's just Essential Phone with the round camera cutout, then the iPhone X in the middle, and then all the devices that came after it with an iPhone X-esque notch.
    TBH it shouldn't be surprising. I doubt Apple was one of the very first to consider one to otherwise maximize screen real estate, but certainly one of the very first to "have the courage" to use it on a shipping phone and see what the buyer reaction would be. Now that Apple has proved at least some good percentage of the buying public is perfectly OK with it of course there will be followers. 
    If we're talking about making the display cover more of the front face, then sure, but if we're talking about the Xiaomi 6, then I don't see their design as being anything but a direct attempt to copy Apple as much as they could. I don't think they said, "Oh, now that Apple has proven it's viable, we can dust off our coincidentally nearly identical looking design."
    Agreed. Looks to me like Xiaomi used it on that handset simply because they could. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
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