They respected Irish law, how is that Tax evasion, if anything, Apple should have a beef with Ireland bullshitting them but seemingly they're cool (at least in public, I'm sure some words were said in private though).
It's not tax evasion and no one with any knowledge of it has ever claimed it was AFAIK. The AI headline was obviously a poor choice of words.
Given that the EU is calling it a tax evasion hearing, I'm pretty sure we're in the clear.
Well it’s the EU that reckons it’s tax evasion, not the Irish Government. What this is actually about is the EU upset the Irish had the temerity to set their own tax arrangements. The Irish didn’t do what they were told by their superiors.
They respected Irish law, how is that Tax evasion, if anything, Apple should have a beef with Ireland bullshitting them but seemingly they're cool (at least in public, I'm sure some words were said in private though).
It's not tax evasion and no one with any knowledge of it has ever claimed it was AFAIK. The AI headline was obviously a poor choice of words.
Given that the EU is calling it a tax evasion hearing, I'm pretty sure we're in the clear.
Wow. In that case I apologize. That's the first time I've heard Apple accused of that by the EU.
EDIT: Ok, reading up on this Apple isn't being accused of tax evasion AFAICT. I think the actual topic of discussion was tax evasion AND tax avoidance according to Europa press releases. Apple was among the companies, organizations and people invited to comment in front of the commission in a public hearing. I can completely understand Apple not wanting to be associated with it assuming that's the case. They have said they will meet in private tho.
Well it’s the EU that reckons it’s tax evasion, not the Irish Government. What this is actually about is the EU upset the Irish had the temerity to set their own tax arrangements. The Irish didn’t do what they were told by their superiors.
Well it’s the EU that reckons it’s tax evasion, not the Irish Government. What this is actually about is the EU upset the Irish had the temerity to set their own tax arrangements. The Irish didn’t do what they were told by their superiors.
That’s how any federation works. Federations set the areas which are non-negotiable, and the members have carriage of the rest, or the other way around. Either way, temerity is not the word. If you don’t act in accordance with the agreement then then whole thing doesn’t work.
It’s just like a state legislating to ban guns because their assessment is that they’re not safe. Won’t work because the framework the states agreed to was amended to say you can’t do that.
Ireland probably thought they weren’t doing anything wrong, but if they violated any rules which the federation controlled, then it’s still wrong according to the agreement and the federation is entitled to act. They will then argue that the agreement between Ireland and Apple was void ab initio (ie it never existed) and boom, hand the money over.
I don't think companies should have to appear before parliamentary committees *every* time they're asked. The job of the government is to create an environment of law and order for people to operate in, not harass and control the people. But in this case the subject is taxes which is a legitimate thing for the government to be quizzing people about, so maybe they should go. On the other hand they have to take the advice of their lawyers and be smart as does everyone.
I guess Sven thinks that would be the Reich’ thing to do?
That remark is totally out of line. Really stupid, inappropriate and very offensive. You thought you were so witty and a real creative. You totally failed.
Well it’s the EU that reckons it’s tax evasion, not the Irish Government. What this is actually about is the EU upset the Irish had the temerity to set their own tax arrangements. The Irish didn’t do what they were told by their superiors.
Ireland’s tax arrangement with Apple was found to unlawful in court. Unlike in the US, the EU judiciary is independent from the government.
Ireland voluntarily signed up to these rules. What did they think would happen when they broken them?
djsherly said: If you don’t act in accordance with the agreement then then whole thing doesn’t work. It’s just like a state legislating to ban guns because their assessment is that they’re not safe. Won’t work because the framework the states agreed to was amended to say you can’t do that.
1. And yet they’ve still done it. As has the federal government. People don’t even give a shit. The 2nd amendment doesn’t exist anymore, and the 1st barely does. 2. Ireland didn’t agree to the restrictions placed upon it–A SOVEREIGN NATION–by the EU. The EU also isn’t a federation, by the way. As much as its founders wanted it to be, the people of Europe are still willing to kill them all if they try it.
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Normally, it’s by the second page that Godwin’s law is fulfilled. Rarely the first post.
But it it’s something you just don’t do. Like using the n word. If it needs explaining to anyone, then they’re being deliberately obtuse.
What this is actually about is the EU upset the Irish had the temerity to set their own tax arrangements. The Irish didn’t do what they were told by their superiors.
EDIT: Ok, reading up on this Apple isn't being accused of tax evasion AFAICT. I think the actual topic of discussion was tax evasion AND tax avoidance according to Europa press releases. Apple was among the companies, organizations and people invited to comment in front of the commission in a public hearing. I can completely understand Apple not wanting to be associated with it assuming that's the case. They have said they will meet in private tho.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52014XC1017(08)
It’s just like a state legislating to ban guns because their assessment is that they’re not safe. Won’t work because the framework the states agreed to was amended to say you can’t do that.
Ireland probably thought they weren’t doing anything wrong, but if they violated any rules which the federation controlled, then it’s still wrong according to the agreement and the federation is entitled to act. They will then argue that the agreement between Ireland and Apple was void ab initio (ie it never existed) and boom, hand the money over.
Ireland voluntarily signed up to these rules. What did they think would happen when they broken them?
2. Ireland didn’t agree to the restrictions placed upon it–A SOVEREIGN NATION–by the EU. The EU also isn’t a federation, by the way. As much as its founders wanted it to be, the people of Europe are still willing to kill them all if they try it.