Is Apple incorporated? Yes, they are. Where does the ability to incorporate come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does the ability to own private property come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does the ability to copyright, patent, or trademark come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does a stable society to do business in come from? The government, i.e., the people.
I realize that there are a lot of people in the business world that like to believe they're independent of society or government, but it's not really true.
1. Abolish the Federal Reserve. 2. Abolish the personal income tax. 3. Apply tariffs on foreign trade. 4. Apply a corporate income tax at a competitive level*, equal percentage regardless of the size of business**.
5. The rest of the plan is “off-topic,” (it’s not) but it involves reducing corporate taxes (overall) by a further 12% across the board, AND personal taxes by 10%. It’s one thing. It’s a complicated, estranged, and involved thing, but it’s ONE thing–one action–which could be begun now and finished within two years.
* A “competitive level” will be a higher tax than some other countries’ corporate income tax, because no personal income tax means citizens have more disposable income to offset the otherwise “increased” cost of goods and services ** Because equality is the name of the game. No person or group deserves to be taxed any more than any other.
Summary: Enough of this bullshit penny pinching. Enough of this pretending that we use money. Enough of this taxing every single last fucking atom in existence. Either put a tax on air or get rid of all this unconstitutional bullshit, because a reckoning is coming either way.
Is Apple incorporated? Yes, they are. Where does the ability to incorporate come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does the ability to own private property come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does the ability to copyright, patent, or trademark come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does a stable society to do business in come from? The government, i.e., the people.
I realize that there are a lot of people in the business world that like to believe they're independent of society or government, but it's not really true.
Wrong. As clearly spelled out in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, our rights are inherent but our laws are there to protect those rights. We all have a “natural right” (as enumerated by John Locke, whose works strongly influenced our “Founding Fathers”) to “life, liberty and property”.
The Bill of Rights exists to protect individuals from people and government if either forgets or abuses those core principles.
...you are all fighting to save it from having to pay taxes…
No. You are either illiterate, willfully ignorant, or simply MALICIOUSLY POSTING. And you know it. Either try again without fallacies or don’t bother.
None of you live in Cupertino is my guess so you probably don't have an accurate grasp of what Is going on…
More fallacies. We don’t need to live there to know what is happening. I don’t need to eat shit to know that it won’t taste good. Isn’t that interesting? It’s almost as though it’s instinct or something, and that said instincts can be applied to critical, higher-order thinking.
...if a local government decides to tax Apple to help it cope with the cities transit problems…
They can do that. Sure. THEY JUST HAVE TO TAX EVERYONE ELSE, EQUALLY, TOO.
I gladly pay it each year because our transit system is underfunded by state and local government and is falling apart due to the transit authorities spending money on info kiosk with large screens, and wifi while ignoring maintenance and systems which keep the trains actually running on time.
So you… GLADLY… pay people who YOU OPENLY ADMIT are laundering, squandering, and misusing your taxes. You gladly pay it. You GLADLY give your currency to these people. You don’t… want change. You just give it to them. What the hell? Are we missing some information from you here?
...because Apple can afford it…
This isn’t even REMOTELY an argument. Move out of the US if you think this it is acceptable behavior for the government to take more from you because you can “afford” it.
C. Infrastructure spending stimulates the economy by putting more money in circulation. Massive cash stockpiles do not put anything into circulation.
Look, John, we’ve tried your economic policy for decades. It’s an abject failure. A complete fucking farce. An embarrassment on the order of (the hoax of) Catherine the Great, only it’s not the rich who are getting horsefucked; it’s everyone else. Enough of this shit. Stop lying. Stop pretending it’s real. Stop thinking that we’re going to fall for this garbage. Your entire economic policy is completely defeated by simply asking, “Why not just tell the Federal Reserve to print a trillion more dollars, because that’s more “money” in circulation?” Come on, man.
Is Apple incorporated? Yes, they are. Where does the ability to incorporate come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does the ability to own private property come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does the ability to copyright, patent, or trademark come from? The government, i.e., the people. Where does a stable society to do business in come from? The government, i.e., the people.
I realize that there are a lot of people in the business world that like to believe they're independent of society or government, but it's not really true.
Liberties enjoyed by the people predate The Constitution and it was created to secure those rights, not grant them. Ownership of private property predates The Constitution and The Government was created to secure a right we already had as well as a host of others. The Bill of Rights does not grant rights it prevents to Government from infringing on existing rights already belonging to the people.
I sure you hope you don't collect you "social" security check when you retire.
Not an argument. Don’t worry, though. It’s bankrupt as of 2024, so very few people will even be retiring in the first place. This has been known since the 1980s and yet you refuse to do anything about it. Never mind that FDR threatened to stack the SCOTUS if they didn’t vote the way he wanted (read: against the Constitution). I’ve lived my entire life knowing that I would never “retire”, and thus have planned for it with finances outside of illegal government welfare.
I sure you hope you don't collect you "social" security check when you retire.
Not an argument. Don’t worry, though. It’s bankrupt as of 2024, so very few people will even be retiring in the first place. This has been known since the 1980s and yet you refuse to do anything about it. Never mind that FDR threatened to stack the SCOTUS if they didn’t vote the way he wanted (read: against the Constitution). I’ve lived my entire life knowing that I would never “retire”, and thus have planned for it with finances outside of illegal government welfare.
You and I are absolutely on the same page about never expecting to collect retirement from our government.
Apple should seriously consider allowing the majority of its software developers to telecommute. If nothing else, they could save on the employee tax. It would also be a huge savings in cost of living expenses and a way for Apple to dog food its cloud technology. Then there is the added productivity from not having to drive into work every day plus health benefits.
SpamSandwich said: Wrong. As clearly spelled out in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, our rights are inherent but our laws are there to protect those rights. We all have a “natural right” (as enumerated by John Locke, whose works strongly influenced our “Founding Fathers”) to “life, liberty and property”.
LOL...you really think anyone is going to care about what you claim is "your private property" if there's no government legal or enforcement system? In reality, lack of government or legal system = you have to try and enforce it yourself, which inevitably results in a feudal society. Feudal society is what most European settlers in the United States were trying to escape by immigrating to the United States. What you and others are really advocating is enforcement only when it suits the powerful, not equally applied enforcement. That will also lead to a de facto feudal system as well.
SpamSandwich said: Wrong. As clearly spelled out in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, our rights are inherent but our laws are there to protect those rights. We all have a “natural right” (as enumerated by John Locke, whose works strongly influenced our “Founding Fathers”) to “life, liberty and property”.
LOL...you really think anyone is going to care about what you claim is "your private property" if there's no government legal or enforcement system? In reality, lack of government or legal system = you have to try and enforce it yourself, which inevitably results in a feudal society. Feudal society is what most European settlers in the United States were trying to escape by immigrating to the United States. What you and others are really advocating is enforcement only when it suits the powerful, not equally applied enforcement. That will also lead to a de facto feudal system as well.
I noticed you conveniently left off this part of the quote:
”The Bill of Rights exists to protect individuals from people and government if either forgets or abuses those core principles.”
SpamSandwich said: ”The Bill of Rights exists to protect individuals from people and government if either forgets or abuses those core principles.”
No government = no legal system = no law enforcement = no Bill of Rights. Anyone who wants to take advantage of legal protections like incorporation, private property, patents/copyrights/trademarks and do business in a stable society needs the government to be around. Thus, they do owe money to support that system. Since corporate taxes are historically low right now, it makes sense that local government would ask for relatively minor increases like this. I don't expect Tim Cook to cheer it on as that's not his job, but I also don't have to buy his arguments either.
you really think anyone is going to care about what you claim is "your private property" if there's no government legal or enforcement system?
In the event of government collapse, bullets exist to make people care. I know you’re a few steps removed from the natural world and think you can pretend it doesn’t exist, but that all comes crashing down if electricity goes out for a week or more.
In reality, lack of government or legal system = you have to try and enforce it yourself
Yes, and? Are you afraid of personal responsibility?
which inevitably results in a feudal society.
Except that’s a government/legal system, so you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about.
Feudal society is what most European settlers in the United States were trying to escape by immigrating to the United States.
Right… to gain more PERSONAL CONTROL AND RESPONSIBILITY for their lives and actions by LEAVING that GOVERNMENT CONTROL called feudalism.
What you and others are really advocating is enforcement only when it suits the powerful, not equally applied enforcement.
You just don’t understand what he’s saying and seem to be completely wrong.
Okeedoke, enjoy starving to death. And I do apologize, it’s not 2024. It’s 2034 when it goes bankrupt (fun fact: IT IS GOING TO GO BANKRUPT SOONER). It’s Medicare which will be bankrupt in 2024. We’re in for a fun decade. At least, fun for people who know what personal responsibility is.
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I realize that there are a lot of people in the business world that like to believe they're independent of society or government, but it's not really true.
1. Abolish the Federal Reserve.
2. Abolish the personal income tax.
3. Apply tariffs on foreign trade.
4. Apply a corporate income tax at a competitive level*, equal percentage regardless of the size of business**.
5. The rest of the plan is “off-topic,” (it’s not) but it involves reducing corporate taxes (overall) by a further 12% across the board, AND personal taxes by 10%. It’s one thing. It’s a complicated, estranged, and involved thing, but it’s ONE thing–one action–which could be begun now and finished within two years.
* A “competitive level” will be a higher tax than some other countries’ corporate income tax, because no personal income tax means citizens have more disposable income to offset the otherwise “increased” cost of goods and services
** Because equality is the name of the game. No person or group deserves to be taxed any more than any other.
Summary: Enough of this bullshit penny pinching. Enough of this pretending that we use money. Enough of this taxing every single last fucking atom in existence. Either put a tax on air or get rid of all this unconstitutional bullshit, because a reckoning is coming either way.
The Bill of Rights exists to protect individuals from people and government if either forgets or abuses those core principles.
More fallacies. We don’t need to live there to know what is happening. I don’t need to eat shit to know that it won’t taste good. Isn’t that interesting? It’s almost as though it’s instinct or something, and that said instincts can be applied to critical, higher-order thinking.
They can do that. Sure. THEY JUST HAVE TO TAX EVERYONE ELSE, EQUALLY, TOO.
So you… GLADLY… pay people who YOU OPENLY ADMIT are laundering, squandering, and misusing your taxes. You gladly pay it. You GLADLY give your currency to these people. You don’t… want change. You just give it to them. What the hell? Are we missing some information from you here?
This isn’t even REMOTELY an argument. Move out of the US if you think this it is acceptable behavior for the government to take more from you because you can “afford” it.
Oh boy.
Look, John, we’ve tried your economic policy for decades. It’s an abject failure. A complete fucking farce. An embarrassment on the order of (the hoax of) Catherine the Great, only it’s not the rich who are getting horsefucked; it’s everyone else. Enough of this shit. Stop lying. Stop pretending it’s real. Stop thinking that we’re going to fall for this garbage. Your entire economic policy is completely defeated by simply asking, “Why not just tell the Federal Reserve to print a trillion more dollars, because that’s more “money” in circulation?” Come on, man.
https://www.aarp.org/retirement/social-security/info-2016/debunking-six-more-myths-about-social-security.html
”The Bill of Rights exists to protect individuals from people and government if either forgets or abuses those core principles.”
Yes, and? Are you afraid of personal responsibility?
Except that’s a government/legal system, so you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about.
Right… to gain more PERSONAL CONTROL AND RESPONSIBILITY for their lives and actions by LEAVING that GOVERNMENT CONTROL called feudalism.
You just don’t understand what he’s saying and seem to be completely wrong.
Okeedoke, enjoy starving to death. And I do apologize, it’s not 2024. It’s 2034 when it goes bankrupt (fun fact: IT IS GOING TO GO BANKRUPT SOONER). It’s Medicare which will be bankrupt in 2024. We’re in for a fun decade. At least, fun for people who know what personal responsibility is.