...and so 'we' agree to our favourite fruit company XX.X release EULA, in context of the represented current business model and in light of the Patriot Act...? I'll ask again where is the off switch for Photos image tagging ?
I suspect Orwell would be impressed at how this has been marketed and acquiesced...
Yet it is 'fun'... (of course!)
And all the contacts that others we may barely know have added our personal facial photo in to the Contacts database and then synced with iCloud - can that ever be even known or redacted? Apple to me is the ultimate Trojan Horse company, and if they ever flip the switch, well I guess that bridge will need crossing when the time comes...
Where does subterfuge lie in the gamut of 'evil'...?
On-device machine learning is what finds objects and things in your photos, and all of that data is shared among your devices if you have iCloud Photo Library turned on. If you are using that, then not sure why you'd be concerned that there's data saying there's a mountain or a cat in your photo when you're storing the actual photo in iCloud. If you're not doing that, then it doesn't matter as it's stored encrypted on your device.
Your second example is baffling. What if some other user attaches a photo of you to their contacts entry for you? How does that have anything to do with Apple, other than they store Contacts fully encrypted in iCloud? You really expect them enable you to find out about something in someone else's data and edit it? For fuck's sake, that's some backasswards logic right there.
Ahhh well I don't expect many to extrapolate to potential design scenarios... It's not about us finding out about us, backasswards or otherwise... Flip the switch and what happens next ? Can what we know today as 'civil society' change rapidly...? The Kremlin apparently switched to typewriters...
If you think any state-sponsored actor is going to have trouble putting a face to your name and contact info, you're delusional.
...and so 'we' agree to our favourite fruit company XX.X release EULA, in context of the represented current business model and in light of the Patriot Act...? I'll ask again where is the off switch for Photos image tagging ?
...and so 'we' agree to our favourite fruit company XX.X release EULA, in context of the represented current business model and in light of the Patriot Act...? I'll ask again where is the off switch for Photos image tagging ?
I suspect Orwell would be impressed at how this has been marketed and acquiesced...
Yet it is 'fun'... (of course!)
And all the contacts that others we may barely know have added our personal facial photo in to the Contacts database and then synced with iCloud - can that ever be even known or redacted? Apple to me is the ultimate Trojan Horse company, and if they ever flip the switch, well I guess that bridge will need crossing when the time comes...
Where does subterfuge lie in the gamut of 'evil'...?
...and so 'we' agree to our favourite fruit company XX.X release EULA, in context of the represented current business model and in light of the Patriot Act...? I'll ask again where is the off switch for Photos image tagging ?
I suspect Orwell would be impressed at how this has been marketed and acquiesced...
Yet it is 'fun'... (of course!)
And all the contacts that others we may barely know have added our personal facial photo in to the Contacts database and then synced with iCloud - can that ever be even known or redacted? Apple to me is the ultimate Trojan Horse company, and if they ever flip the switch, well I guess that bridge will need crossing when the time comes...
Where does subterfuge lie in the gamut of 'evil'...?
On-device machine learning is what finds objects and things in your photos, and all of that data is shared among your devices if you have iCloud Photo Library turned on. If you are using that, then not sure why you'd be concerned that there's data saying there's a mountain or a cat in your photo when you're storing the actual photo in iCloud. If you're not doing that, then it doesn't matter as it's stored encrypted on your device.
Your second example is baffling. What if some other user attaches a photo of you to their contacts entry for you? How does that have anything to do with Apple, other than they store Contacts fully encrypted in iCloud? You really expect them enable you to find out about something in someone else's data and edit it? For fuck's sake, that's some backasswards logic right there.
Ahhh well I don't expect many to extrapolate to potential design scenarios... It's not about us finding out about us, backasswards or otherwise... Flip the switch and what happens next ? Can what we know today as 'civil society' change rapidly...? The Kremlin apparently switched to typewriters...
It’s easy enough to not use a Gmail account. What’s a lot more difficult is not e-mailing with anybody who uses Gmail, which matters because presumably Google can read incoming messages too, and so often the incoming message content is included in a response, so third parties can read your e-mail whether or not you ever agreed to anything.
It’s easy enough to not use a Gmail account. What’s a lot more difficult is not e-mailing with anybody who uses Gmail, which matters because presumably Google can read incoming messages too, and so often the incoming message content is included in a response, so third parties can read your e-mail whether or not you ever agreed to anything.
Even if you never said anything to someone that has an @gmail.com address you're very likely still sending emails to Google servers. I used Google Business (or whatever it's called now) for my private domain.
This should result in a massive fine and sanctions worldwide.
The EU will probably do such a thing. The government the US previously had would have done such a thing. Oh well, too bad.
Alphabet's executives need to be called for Congressional hearings on privacy protection.
And what good would that do? They'd come with an army of lawyers and a thousand pre-vetted answers. It is only when these people are hauled up in court and facing jail time for perjury that you will get even the semblance of the truth out of them.
It’s easy enough to not use a Gmail account. What’s a lot more difficult is not e-mailing with anybody who uses Gmail, which matters because presumably Google can read incoming messages too, and so often the incoming message content is included in a response, so third parties can read your e-mail whether or not you ever agreed to anything.
Mmm.
That's a good point. I didn't agree to Google and its partners reading emails I sent to a gmail account.
...and so 'we' agree to our favourite fruit company XX.X release EULA, in context of the represented current business model and in light of the Patriot Act...? I'll ask again where is the off switch for Photos image tagging ?
I suspect Orwell would be impressed at how this has been marketed and acquiesced...
Yet it is 'fun'... (of course!)
And all the contacts that others we may barely know have added our personal facial photo in to the Contacts database and then synced with iCloud - can that ever be even known or redacted? Apple to me is the ultimate Trojan Horse company, and if they ever flip the switch, well I guess that bridge will need crossing when the time comes...
Where does subterfuge lie in the gamut of 'evil'...?
On-device machine learning is what finds objects and things in your photos, and all of that data is shared among your devices if you have iCloud Photo Library turned on. If you are using that, then not sure why you'd be concerned that there's data saying there's a mountain or a cat in your photo when you're storing the actual photo in iCloud. If you're not doing that, then it doesn't matter as it's stored encrypted on your device.
Your second example is baffling. What if some other user attaches a photo of you to their contacts entry for you? How does that have anything to do with Apple, other than they store Contacts fully encrypted in iCloud? You really expect them enable you to find out about something in someone else's data and edit it? For fuck's sake, that's some backasswards logic right there.
Ahhh well I don't expect many to extrapolate to potential design scenarios... It's not about us finding out about us, backasswards or otherwise... Flip the switch and what happens next ? Can what we know today as 'civil society' change rapidly...? The Kremlin apparently switched to typewriters...
So you've gone from 'this is what's happening' to 'this might happen' in the space of a single thread.
It’s easy enough to not use a Gmail account. What’s a lot more difficult is not e-mailing with anybody who uses Gmail, which matters because presumably Google can read incoming messages too, and so often the incoming message content is included in a response, so third parties can read your e-mail whether or not you ever agreed to anything.
Mmm.
That's a good point. I didn't agree to Google and its partners reading emails I sent to a gmail account.
Google isn't reading emails. Agreed you didn't agree to anyone's else's app provider scanning them. I didn't agree to Microsoft or Yahoo or Zoho or most any other email service to do so either, yet because of organizer apps supplied from Apple's App Store it's quite likely my business appointments or social plans have made their way thru some 3rd party scanner installed on an acquaintance iPhone.
Curious if you install certain 3rd party planner/organizer apps. for example Edison or Airmail, if you grant some of those access to your Apple/iCloud Mail? I honestly don't know if Apple allows those types of apps. They allow them to access your calendar for instance but is email off-limits?
EDIT: After doing some small amount of research it appears Apple too allows apps to link to Mail.app. Can you confirm? It looks like it's not just Google and Microsoft and Yahoo and everyone else.
This should result in a massive fine and sanctions worldwide.
The EU will probably do such a thing. The government the US previously had would have done such a thing. Oh well, too bad.
For what exactly? If you've installed and use 24Me or iTrackMail or EasilyDo or dozens of other "personal organizer" apps, many or all of them available in the App Store, surely you wouldn't be shocked to see they were accessing your personal accounts. That's what this story is about.
Oddly one emphasis in the source article is yeah the folks installing those apps agreed to it but they weren't told that sometimes a human might be permitted to look at it too and not just machine scanned.
It’s easy enough to not use a Gmail account. What’s a lot more difficult is not e-mailing with anybody who uses Gmail, which matters because presumably Google can read incoming messages too, and so often the incoming message content is included in a response, so third parties can read your e-mail whether or not you ever agreed to anything.
If you're using Edison or Airmail or Spark on your Apple device can those developers "read" an email sent from me to your Apple email account? No one has answered that yet so perhaps you know?
Not sure about all the fuss. If you want services that scan your purchases and then offer you better deals, put info on your calendar etc. then you are okay with your emails being scanned. Paying for an exchange server would negate what the user wants to accomplish in this case. If not, like many of us it seems, then don’t use it. It is not like Gmail is the only option people have.
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This is a joke, right?
It is only when these people are hauled up in court and facing jail time for perjury that you will get even the semblance of the truth out of them.
Mmm.
That's a good point. I didn't agree to Google and its partners reading emails I sent to a gmail account.
So you've gone from 'this is what's happening' to 'this might happen' in the space of a single thread.
That's some seriously impressive backtracking.
Curious if you install certain 3rd party planner/organizer apps. for example Edison or Airmail, if you grant some of those access to your Apple/iCloud Mail? I honestly don't know if Apple allows those types of apps. They allow them to access your calendar for instance but is email off-limits?
EDIT: After doing some small amount of research it appears Apple too allows apps to link to Mail.app. Can you confirm? It looks like it's not just Google and Microsoft and Yahoo and everyone else.
Oddly one emphasis in the source article is yeah the folks installing those apps agreed to it but they weren't told that sometimes a human might be permitted to look at it too and not just machine scanned.
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@williamlondon @StrangeDays ; @Rayz2016 ; @chasm @ericthehalfbee @bestkeptsecret ; , do any of you know? You're all generally pretty knowledgeable about this stuff.