I remember Apple Music being mocked HEAVILY on this very forum for "not having a chance" against Spotify. Apple proves the haters epically wrong yet again, and shows them to be small-minded idiots without a shred of foresight
So by your logic... Apple product users are haters and small minded idiots without a shred of foresight because more people use Windows over MacOS, Android over iOS, Alexa over Siri, etc...
What would happen if Apple banned Spotify from all of its devices?
They might lose a couple of device sales, but probably not many. Apple has the ability. But do they have the nerve?
They'd be subject to anti competition legislation. It's something of a mystery to me that they aren't already, for the fact that the Music app comes prebundled with every iPhone. Doesn't it feel a bit like Internet Explorer being bundled with Windows and giving MS an unfair advantage over Netscape?
I'm an Apple Music subscriber, however, and I quite like it. But, I'm one of those weirdos who likes iTunes. I've been using iTunes since it ran on Mac OS 9. My whole history and collected music library, ratings, playlists, etc are in iTunes. It just makes sense to stay with iTunes, which now makes a music streaming service available. For me, it never made sense to even bother with Spotify because it was a complete foreign environment.
Not just that it comes bundled but that the music app (which was just a music player for songs you had loaded on your phone) became Apple Music. And is the only music app with access to Siri. Power of defaults and being platform owner is huge.
Spotify boasting about its user is not different than Google boasting about Android activations 8 years ago. Quantity not quality.
Spotify isn’t a quality service? Based on what?
Considering AM is the default music app on every iOS device it would be embarrassing for Apple if it didn’t take over Spotify.
Conversely, Spotify has only one job, one focus, one thing to do and they couldn't beat Apple in paying US customers.
Power of defaults is huge. I switched to Apple Music mostly because it’s the only service that can sync playlists with Apple Watch. I’m sure Spotify and others would if Apple allowed them.
Spotify boasting about its user is not different than Google boasting about Android activations 8 years ago. Quantity not quality.
Spotify isn’t a quality service? Based on what?
Considering AM is the default music app on every iOS device it would be embarrassing for Apple if it didn’t take over Spotify.
I don’t want to speak for the OP but I don’t think he was comparing the services in question but the subscribers to those services. iPhone users being more willing to spend money, etc. I think it’s a fair point. Being cross platform isn’t all that great of an advantage when a high percentage of the folks on the other platforms don’t spend money.
So then the argument is Apple’s services don’t have to be great because power of defaults iPhone users will spend money on them anyway?
Wall Street will only see it as U.S. subscriber numbers and will declare AppleMusic as still being a loser. Anyway, I'm happy to hear Apple is still growing its services division even if it's not being claimed to dominate the industry like Amazon is doing in every market it gets into. At least AppleMusic is doing better than most pundits expected it to do.
I remember Apple Music being mocked HEAVILY on this very forum for "not having a chance" against Spotify. Apple proves the haters epically wrong yet again, and shows them to be small-minded idiots without a shred of foresight.
There are those people out there who declare anything Apple tries to do as an immediate failure for one reason or another. It's just like those who say whatever Amazon gets into will be a huge success. I guess it all adds up to merely wishful thinking or wishful manipulation.
What would happen if Apple banned Spotify from all of its devices?
They might lose a couple of device sales, but probably not many. Apple has the ability. But do they have the nerve?
They'd be subject to anti competition legislation. It's something of a mystery to me that they aren't already, for the fact that the Music app comes prebundled with every iPhone. Doesn't it feel a bit like Internet Explorer being bundled with Windows and giving MS an unfair advantage over Netscape?
Not comparable. MS firstly had a much larger share of the market, and thus could wield vastly more influence, and secondly, which is the big one, their actions with IE amounted to 'dumping.' MS gave away a product that Netscape charged for.
I agree they're not the same situation. It was just a loose analogy I was drawing. But, if you skip my flawed comparison to microsoft, don't you still think there would be some anti-competition legislation that steps in, if Apple (who is in competition with Spotify via Apple Music) banned Spotify from iOS? That can't be legal. And unless they were banning them for some other very legitimate reason, it would surely be anti-competitive.
I still like Spotify more, bacause you have here playlists created by other users.
Apple Music has playlists created by other users.
When you create a playlist of your own, you can go to the "For You" tab, then click on your face, and you can manage the list of your own playlists that you share publicly.
When you follow other people, friends or famous people, you see their personal playlists, and can even subscribe to them. They're live updating, just like the ones produced by Apple themselves.
What would happen if Apple banned Spotify from all of its devices?
They might lose a couple of device sales, but probably not many. Apple has the ability. But do they have the nerve?
They'd be subject to anti competition legislation. It's something of a mystery to me that they aren't already, for the fact that the Music app comes prebundled with every iPhone. Doesn't it feel a bit like Internet Explorer being bundled with Windows and giving MS an unfair advantage over Netscape?
I'm an Apple Music subscriber, however, and I quite like it. But, I'm one of those weirdos who likes iTunes. I've been using iTunes since it ran on Mac OS 9. My whole history and collected music library, ratings, playlists, etc are in iTunes. It just makes sense to stay with iTunes, which now makes a music streaming service available. For me, it never made sense to even bother with Spotify because it was a complete foreign environment.
There's a huge difference in the two situations. Microsoft required third-party customers to install IE as a condition to buying a license for Windows. the law that they ran afoul of was using their monopoly in the operating system market to gain unfair advantage in a separate market.
Apple can sell whatever it wants in its own app store. Apple can also install whatever features and built-ins it wants on its products.
Apple has no market power either in the device market or in the App Store market.
I I don't think there's any legal reason why Apple has to sell Spotify products in its store.
What would happen if Apple banned Spotify from all of its devices?
They might lose a couple of device sales, but probably not many. Apple has the ability. But do they have the nerve?
They'd be subject to anti competition legislation. It's something of a mystery to me that they aren't already, for the fact that the Music app comes prebundled with every iPhone. Doesn't it feel a bit like Internet Explorer being bundled with Windows and giving MS an unfair advantage over Netscape?
I'm an Apple Music subscriber, however, and I quite like it. But, I'm one of those weirdos who likes iTunes. I've been using iTunes since it ran on Mac OS 9. My whole history and collected music library, ratings, playlists, etc are in iTunes. It just makes sense to stay with iTunes, which now makes a music streaming service available. For me, it never made sense to even bother with Spotify because it was a complete foreign environment.
I don't believe that Apple should (or ever would) "ban" Spotify or other services from iPhone. Their record over the past decade indicates that they don't seem interested in doing so. And many arguments that having service flexibility is in Apple's best interest for their products which are "platforms" (iPhone/iPad, Mac).
As for "anti competition" [based on monopoly practices I assume you mean], that is hard to justify at a global level when Apple's installed base might be 30% of the total smartphone market. Microsoft had greater than 90% of the entire PC OS market at the time.
Apple should ban them and let them pay the true cost of doing business....
… but… but… I thought Beats was a dumb acquisition, or they just bought them to sell cheap headphones? This almost makes it sound like a really smart move that was only tangentially about headphones…
What would happen if Apple banned Spotify from all of its devices?
They might lose a couple of device sales, but probably not many. Apple has the ability. But do they have the nerve?
They'd be subject to anti competition legislation. It's something of a mystery to me that they aren't already, for the fact that the Music app comes prebundled with every iPhone. Doesn't it feel a bit like Internet Explorer being bundled with Windows and giving MS an unfair advantage over Netscape?
I'm an Apple Music subscriber, however, and I quite like it. But, I'm one of those weirdos who likes iTunes. I've been using iTunes since it ran on Mac OS 9. My whole history and collected music library, ratings, playlists, etc are in iTunes. It just makes sense to stay with iTunes, which now makes a music streaming service available. For me, it never made sense to even bother with Spotify because it was a complete foreign environment.
There's a huge difference in the two situations. Microsoft required third-party customers to install IE as a condition to buying a license for Windows. the law that they ran afoul of was using their monopoly in the operating system market to gain unfair advantage in a separate market.
Apple can sell whatever it wants in its own app store. Apple can also install whatever features and built-ins it wants on its products.
Apple has no market power either in the device market or in the App Store market.
I I don't think there's any legal reason why Apple has to sell Spotify products in its store.
Apple doesn't have to carry Google, Amazon, Netflix, Microsoft, or Spotify in their store Apple is currently letting them freeload in the their store one day that will end.
I’ve extensively used and reviewed all the main streaming music services... so I can actually speak from experience.
Spotify is by far the best at curation, best GUI, ease of use, and connectivity. Tidal is by far the best sounding service with hifi streams and MQA - with the limited library they have. Apple Music is the default pre-installed app. In the pack with Pandora, Last FM, Rdio, Google Play, Rhapsody etc... functional, but shines at nothing.
Apple has the native integration on its devices (yet oddly enough Spotify Connect works better on them), so it’s no surprise that Apple is getting leverage from its platform in the US.
The real question is, how many people on Windows or Android are installing AM? it’s negligible. Meaning that AM success is limited to Apple’s market share on it’s devices. While Apple is seeing remarkable success in the US of subscriptions on their platform - it is for now, quite limited in its growth potential. Although it’s a considerable market potential.
Lets not forget that the concept of music Streaming Services is still in its infancy. Spotify is not limited to a single platform, and is overall a better platform - for now.
I don’t see this industry having a clear winner one day with a total monopoly - it’s the last thing the music industry wants. Good for Apple, good for Spotify and all the others. A new industry is booming and people are finding a new appreciation for music. Everyone wins.
… but… but… I thought Beats was a dumb acquisition, or they just bought them to sell cheap headphones? This almost makes it sound like a really smart move that was only tangentially about headphones…
Explain why Apple, maker of iTunes, needed Beats to start up a streaming music service.
Spotify boasting about its user is not different than Google boasting about Android activations 8 years ago. Quantity not quality.
Spotify isn’t a quality service? Based on what?
Considering AM is the default music app on every iOS device it would be embarrassing for Apple if it didn’t take over Spotify.
Based on subscription price. Here you can get 3 months of Spotify for 1/10 of ONE month of Apple Music. So you actually pay 1/30, what quality of subscriber will you get from race to bottom subscription price like that. Not sure if it’s because people (not you) are in denial but it’s very clear from the beginning that Spotify always play the same game Microsoft used to play, and Android is now playing, .. market share number. That’s what they want. Not quality.
For 2nd paragraph, Yeah.. but the article is talking about *US* market, not iOS. They’re talking about iOS + Android in the US so it’s not embarrassing at all if Apple didn't beat Spotify.
Spotify boasting about its user is not different than Google boasting about Android activations 8 years ago. Quantity not quality.
Spotify isn’t a quality service? Based on what?
Considering AM is the default music app on every iOS device it would be embarrassing for Apple if it didn’t take over Spotify.
Are such histrionics really necessary?
bshank: Dude...AppleInsider is fed and fueled on the histrionics of, uh, 'enthusiastic' fans of a few tech outfits but mostly of (and understandably so) those items bearing the Apple logo. Are you new around here?
The other day I heard a commercial that said "and get 3 months of Apple Music on us!" and no it wasn't from Apple. The commercial was from a completely different industry. That paired with the Drake stats and how Spotify is in denial makes me believe Apple is ahead in paid subscribers.
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When you create a playlist of your own, you can go to the "For You" tab, then click on your face, and you can manage the list of your own playlists that you share publicly.
When you follow other people, friends or famous people, you see their personal playlists, and can even subscribe to them. They're live updating, just like the ones produced by Apple themselves.
Apple should ban them and let them pay the true cost of doing business....
Spotify is by far the best at curation, best GUI, ease of use, and connectivity.
Tidal is by far the best sounding service with hifi streams and MQA - with the limited library they have.
Apple Music is the default pre-installed app. In the pack with Pandora, Last FM, Rdio, Google Play, Rhapsody etc... functional, but shines at nothing.
Apple has the native integration on its devices (yet oddly enough Spotify Connect works better on them), so it’s no surprise that Apple is getting leverage from its platform in the US.
The real question is, how many people on Windows or Android are installing AM? it’s negligible.
Meaning that AM success is limited to Apple’s market share on it’s devices.
While Apple is seeing remarkable success in the US of subscriptions on their platform - it is for now, quite limited in its growth potential. Although it’s a considerable market potential.
Lets not forget that the concept of music Streaming Services is still in its infancy.
Spotify is not limited to a single platform, and is overall a better platform - for now.
I don’t see this industry having a clear winner one day with a total monopoly - it’s the last thing the music industry wants. Good for Apple, good for Spotify and all the others. A new industry is booming and people are finding a new appreciation for music. Everyone wins.
Not sure if it’s because people (not you) are in denial but it’s very clear from the beginning that Spotify always play the same game Microsoft used to play, and Android is now playing, .. market share number. That’s what they want. Not quality.
For 2nd paragraph, Yeah.. but the article is talking about *US* market, not iOS. They’re talking about iOS + Android in the US so it’s not embarrassing at all if Apple didn't beat Spotify.
The other day I heard a commercial that said "and get 3 months of Apple Music on us!" and no it wasn't from Apple. The commercial was from a completely different industry. That paired with the Drake stats and how Spotify is in denial makes me believe Apple is ahead in paid subscribers.