What six years of Retina MacBook Pro evolution gets you

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  • Reply 21 of 27
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 4,830member
    woolie said:
    I agree with entropy's comments, and as usual apple fanboys defend every bad decision Apple makes...  I've been living with an Apple USB-C laptop for almost 4 years & the first 2 years one could hardly find any USB-3 product anywhere & when you did, the product was 20 to 30 per cent higher to comparable products...  I use my laptop almost exclusively & travel a lot & carry over 10 various cords to hook up to variety of other products because of the Apple's solo USB-C connectivity issues & I am not remotely a power user...  Apple genius's call it advancing technology, but fails to use USB-C with their other products creating for the user a giant snake pit of wires & that is the REAL world...  Apple has totally abandoned Mac customers...   Apple spends their money on Hollywood trying to make tv programs/movies & other money losing projects, while giving Mac user's a few crumbs...   90% of the Mac improvements in this article have been due to Intel's speed bumps, while Apple increased the screen nits from 300 to 500 & refining keyboards to make them work...  This article shows how bad Apple has totally lost its way... 
    Let me guess....If Steve were here! /s
  • Reply 22 of 27
    I'm still pretty happily running a mid-2012 MacBook Pro with 2.7Ghz, i7, 16GB RAM, 750GB SSD. 
    I've been thinking about an upgrade for some time and the new 2018 MBP's look pretty compelling to me!

    I'd like more speed, storage and RAM. Faster graphics… I work with Vectorworks, Photoshop, Lightroom, etc..
    The wi-fi is faster, I believe, too. The price for the configuration I want is a bit steeper than expected, but doable.

    I travel between offices with workstations setup at different places… home office, client offices, etc.… 
    At each I have similar setups: monitor, wired keyboard and trackball, Thunderbolt docks, eternal hard drives, etc.. 
    The MBP is essentially traveling storage and a second monitor for palettes and email. I rarely use the MBP keyboard.  

    At this point I could care less about having to add a few new cables for various connections.
    Yeah, it's a bummer about losing the MagSafe power supply and SD Card reader, but I'm sure that will pass.
    Besides, that's the Apple Way, right? ;-)

    mpschaefer
  • Reply 23 of 27
    seankill said:
    I had the same ghosting issue. Along with 3 laptops at bestbuy. “Isolated issue” my a$$. I don’t think there was a repair program for this, was there? If so, can you provide a source?

    Hmmm, seems your right I can’t find a repair program listing.

    I know, I rang AppleCare at the time when I noticed my machine would do it from time to time and clear within a minute or so as I wanted to know if it would be fixed and if I needed to bring it in straight away or if I could use the machine and bring it in later (in my case I bought the machine a week before heading overseas on a 3 month work project).

    They indicated to me at the time, I could get it fixed at any point until the Apple Care expired. By, the time I got back home it didn’t bother me or occur enough to take it in so I never did.
  • Reply 24 of 27
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 4,830member
    markovich said:
    macxpress said:
    entropys said:
    macxpress said:
    markovich said:
    So, more $ for less functionality.

    My 2013 MBPr has 16 GB RAM, 500GB SSD , MagSafe, plenty of USB ports ( USB 3), SD slot, 2 Thunderbolt ports ( rarely used) and HDMI.
     Its a complete self contained system with no need to lug around stupid dongles. I recently also bought my son a refurbed 2015 version as its the last model to not be crippled by only Apple's mindless use of ONLY USB C.



    Oh boy here we go with the dongle BS. You don't need a dongle, just a different cable 99.9% of the time. Honestly with Thunderbolt/USB-C, its more versatile than any other MacBook Pro because you can connect nearly ANYTHING to it with the correct cable (NOT A DONGLE). 

    So I guess Apple is just supposed to sit there and continuously support older technology. If you want continuous support of old technology then go buy an HP Sphincter. 

    If this was really an issue, the laptop wouldn't be as successful as it is today. 
    Then you have to carry the cables instead of a dongle. You can’t just rock up to somewhere and expect to be able to just grab the correct cable lying around. Especially in say, a school situation.
    Um we have the older (and apparently better) MacBook Pro's and we've never used the USB ports or really any port on them and we've been using Macs for 10yrs! I see this as a non-issue. Who the hell buys a laptop, and then needs to constantly connect things to it when being remote? You buy a laptop to be portable...to be wireless in most cases, not to be constantly tethered. Its not like you didn't need to carry around a mini-display port to VGA/DVI/HDMI adapter for video, or a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter with the older (and apparently better) models. 

    This is a non-issue and again I'll reiterate, if it this was as big of an issue as people make it out to be, Apple wouldn't be selling these in the numbers they do. 
    Yes you do actually in many work environments. Im an IT contractor and I frequently have to connect to customer older projectors, and sometimes a ethernet connection to be inside production networks. I work in customer environments and have to adapt to them. My kit includes a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter and a VGA adapter for those older projectors. Many newer ones are wireless, but many require the projector vendor's app to be installed for access. All newer ones tho have an HDMI port those so THATS my connection. 
    While my clients MAY have a public wifi, they also limit access to core systems from the public wifi ( rightly so!). Not everything is wireless, nor should it be. Thunderbolt accessories are expensive and not as ubiquitous as needed to be market friendly. Ive always enjoyed the MagSafe power connector as it also has been a lifesaver a few times.

    My kids use USB jump drives all the time for school and are required to have them by our schools. I also shoot photography for the local HS marching band and use the SD slot out in the field all the time with my Nikon DSLR. Yes it has a wifi/BT option to transfer files, however, Nikon's implementation is slow, unreliable and a huge battery drain on the camera so its a no. I'm thankful for that SD slot as its saved my arse on a few occasions, and the fact I didnt need to carry around some adapter.  So, while YOU may have rarely used the extra ports that does not mean other don't as well. 

    No one is asking Apple to support outdated technology, just current technology until such time the market changes appreciably. I bought the first Gen iMac and never missed a floppy drive, and enjoyed the new USB technology. I honestly think Apple moved before the market did and could easily continue one model with the multiple USB and SD ports without compromising updated designs. 

    Oh and Ive been using Macs since my first one, a new SE/30 in 1990 right out of college.. Ive had Powerbooks, Quadras, PowerMacs, iMacs, Mac Pros, so your 10 year experience doesn't really care much weight.
    Many work environments...yet you only really named one or two. Regardless, you're still carrying around things, even with the previous MacBook Pro. This is pointless whining about nothing. 

    If your kids are still transferring files with USB drives then thats old school. We have things like iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Office365, Google Drive, etc, etc that makes this a non issue. All you have to do is get into the 21st century with what's available today and stop using yesterday's technology. 

    Apple is pushing forward tomorrow's technology like it or not. This is what they've always done. Its what made USB A what it is today and we went through the same BS you're using when Apple just flat out switched to USB from their old I/O and guess what...Apple made it and so did its customers! 

    I didn't say I only have 10yrs of Mac experience. I was simply saying that in the 10yrs of using Macs in an environment other than a home one needing to connect cables into a MacBook Pro all the time hasn't ever been an issue. I don't really care who has been using what for Macs and how long. Its a moot poot and just because one person has using one longer than the other doesn't mean they're better or their posts carry more weight. In fact, I think its sometimes a detriment because they're old geezers who don't want to change with the times and want Apple to be Apple Computer, Inc again like they were in the late 90's-early 2000's instead of focusing on iOS and other products. 
    edited July 2018 fastasleep
  • Reply 25 of 27
    Out of curiosity, why no mention of the SSD differences?  As I understand, SSDs have gotten significantly faster since the 2012 model.
  • Reply 26 of 27
    macxpress said:
    markovich said:
    macxpress said:
    entropys said:
    macxpress said:
    markovich said:
    So, more $ for less functionality.

    My 2013 MBPr has 16 GB RAM, 500GB SSD , MagSafe, plenty of USB ports ( USB 3), SD slot, 2 Thunderbolt ports ( rarely used) and HDMI.
     Its a complete self contained system with no need to lug around stupid dongles. I recently also bought my son a refurbed 2015 version as its the last model to not be crippled by only Apple's mindless use of ONLY USB C.



    Oh boy here we go with the dongle BS. You don't need a dongle, just a different cable 99.9% of the time. Honestly with Thunderbolt/USB-C, its more versatile than any other MacBook Pro because you can connect nearly ANYTHING to it with the correct cable (NOT A DONGLE). 

    So I guess Apple is just supposed to sit there and continuously support older technology. If you want continuous support of old technology then go buy an HP Sphincter. 

    If this was really an issue, the laptop wouldn't be as successful as it is today. 
    Then you have to carry the cables instead of a dongle. You can’t just rock up to somewhere and expect to be able to just grab the correct cable lying around. Especially in say, a school situation.
    Um we have the older (and apparently better) MacBook Pro's and we've never used the USB ports or really any port on them and we've been using Macs for 10yrs! I see this as a non-issue. Who the hell buys a laptop, and then needs to constantly connect things to it when being remote? You buy a laptop to be portable...to be wireless in most cases, not to be constantly tethered. Its not like you didn't need to carry around a mini-display port to VGA/DVI/HDMI adapter for video, or a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter with the older (and apparently better) models. 

    This is a non-issue and again I'll reiterate, if it this was as big of an issue as people make it out to be, Apple wouldn't be selling these in the numbers they do. 
    Yes you do actually in many work environments. Im an IT contractor and I frequently have to connect to customer older projectors, and sometimes a ethernet connection to be inside production networks. I work in customer environments and have to adapt to them. My kit includes a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter and a VGA adapter for those older projectors. Many newer ones are wireless, but many require the projector vendor's app to be installed for access. All newer ones tho have an HDMI port those so THATS my connection. 
    While my clients MAY have a public wifi, they also limit access to core systems from the public wifi ( rightly so!). Not everything is wireless, nor should it be. Thunderbolt accessories are expensive and not as ubiquitous as needed to be market friendly. Ive always enjoyed the MagSafe power connector as it also has been a lifesaver a few times.

    My kids use USB jump drives all the time for school and are required to have them by our schools. I also shoot photography for the local HS marching band and use the SD slot out in the field all the time with my Nikon DSLR. Yes it has a wifi/BT option to transfer files, however, Nikon's implementation is slow, unreliable and a huge battery drain on the camera so its a no. I'm thankful for that SD slot as its saved my arse on a few occasions, and the fact I didnt need to carry around some adapter.  So, while YOU may have rarely used the extra ports that does not mean other don't as well. 

    No one is asking Apple to support outdated technology, just current technology until such time the market changes appreciably. I bought the first Gen iMac and never missed a floppy drive, and enjoyed the new USB technology. I honestly think Apple moved before the market did and could easily continue one model with the multiple USB and SD ports without compromising updated designs. 

    Oh and Ive been using Macs since my first one, a new SE/30 in 1990 right out of college.. Ive had Powerbooks, Quadras, PowerMacs, iMacs, Mac Pros, so your 10 year experience doesn't really care much weight.
    Many work environments...yet you only really named one or two. Regardless, you're still carrying around things, even with the previous MacBook Pro. This is pointless whining about nothing. 

    If your kids are still transferring files with USB drives then thats old school. We have things like iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Office365, Google Drive, etc, etc that makes this a non issue. All you have to do is get into the 21st century with what's available today and stop using yesterday's technology. 

    Apple is pushing forward tomorrow's technology like it or not. This is what they've always done. Its what made USB A what it is today and we went through the same BS you're using when Apple just flat out switched to USB from their old I/O and guess what...Apple made it and so did its customers! 

    I didn't say I only have 10yrs of Mac experience. I was simply saying that in the 10yrs of using Macs in an environment other than a home one needing to connect cables into a MacBook Pro all the time hasn't ever been an issue. I don't really care who has been using what for Macs and how long. Its a moot poot and just because one person has using one longer than the other doesn't mean they're better or their posts carry more weight. In fact, I think its sometimes a detriment because they're old geezers who don't want to change with the times and want Apple to be Apple Computer, Inc again like they were in the late 90's-early 2000's instead of focusing on iOS and other products. 
    Sorry, didn't realize you need a full accounting of all my clients...next time I'll do better.  Clearly you haven't dealt with many school systems as they often are behind the curve on tech, so you have to adapt to them, not the other way around. Bitterness doesn't legitimize the points you're belaboring to make. Hope you find some peace.
  • Reply 27 of 27
    CodeMonsterCodeMonster Posts: 1unconfirmed, member
    What about disk I/O? That has improved massively (I think ~ 4-5x?). Disk performance probably affects the user experience much more than the CPU, for most people.
    edited November 2018
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