These idiots never learn. Market share without profit is pointless and eventually leads to collapse.
Makes you wonder how they earned their money to start the companies, or how they ever managed to make a living in the first place. Obviously none of them know anything at all about running a business. /s
Clearly some of them don’t, like those that end up on the chopping block and sold for parts.
No company will exist forever and Apple itself has been on the block in the past.
Huawei, so far, has been a major success story, outstripping even the most optimistic projections.
Sounds like it’s time for a new fried chicken phone!
Perhaps you should brace yourself for some serious competition this year end.
Huawei is already ahead of Apple in key areas and I doubt the Mate 20 will ease the pressure, so rejoice that competition could lead to cheaper iPhones or more bang for buck.
In six weeks the Kirin 980 will be unveiled. 7nm process, second generation NPU and possibly an in-house GPU. A Kirin 1020 has also been rumoured.
This year Samsung got trumped by Huawei and won't be holding anything back either.
It could all be finger lickin' good come November ;-)
I wish we could get past this constant ranking of Apple against other companies. It doesn’t matter if Apple is second, third, fourth, whatever in sales. It also doesn’t matter if Apple is number one in profits. These statistics imply precisely nothing. They are merely talking points to argue about.
What we as Apple fans, investors, and customers should be interested in is...
1. Is Apple making products that people like to buy and use? The answer is a resounding YES, regardless of the whining and complaining that goes on here. The truth is that Apple’s products are popular, useful, and built to last.
2. Are developers supporting the platform? The answer, again, is a resounding YES. Developers are for the most part happy and making good money regardless of what is alleged by the negative element that is always looking for doom and gloom.
You are right but the nature of the beast is such that these things can have an effect.
Your points are valid and that is the best way to see things, but almost every single favourable blip on the Applesphere that registers in the minds of (too many) people as a 'win', almost inevitably goes hand in hand with some irrational comment slagging off the competition (the 'losers') and the people that use their products.
Those people don't seem to see the boomerang effect of the situation. People celebrate the exact same kind of news that was presented in this short article (like recently when analysts suggested more share or sales for Apple) but when it doesn't favour Apple so much, the 'so what', 'It's irrelevant', 'I don't care' comments flood the thread. People go on the defensive.
There is some relevance here but not from this news per se. Huawei in fact pulled ahead of Apple last year too. That was the first time Apple had been out of the top two since 2010 I believe. Definitely newsworthy following three years of flat sales for Apple.
It was relevant that the Mate 10 series really took Apple to the cleaners in some areas and earlier this year the P20 Pro went one step further. The talk of the town has not been the iPhone X this year but the P20 Pro. Samsung is also reeling from the media attention Huawei has received.
It's been a bad press year for Apple and rightly so. That's good for users because Apple only really produces its best (and at attractive prices) when its under the cosh.
This kind of competition is amazing for end users independently of whether Huawei actually hits 200 million.
Shipping is not selling....Apple could ship 150 Million iPhones every quarter just to satisfy a pissing match if thats what they wanted to do. That doesn't mean they're gonna sell 150 Million iPhones.
I think they're selling. Huawei has had serious difficulty satisfying demand. Both the P20 series and Honor 10 have broken records. The Honor 10 was sold out for weeks as soon as new stock came in . It sold 3 million in just a few weeks all the same.
I wish we could get past this constant ranking of Apple against other companies. It doesn’t matter if Apple is second, third, fourth, whatever in sales. It also doesn’t matter if Apple is number one in profits. These statistics imply precisely nothing. They are merely talking points to argue about.
What we as Apple fans, investors, and customers should be interested in is...
1. Is Apple making products that people like to buy and use? The answer is a resounding YES, regardless of the whining and complaining that goes on here. The truth is that Apple’s products are popular, useful, and built to last.
2. Are developers supporting the platform? The answer, again, is a resounding YES. Developers are for the most part happy and making good money regardless of what is alleged by the negative element that is always looking for doom and gloom.
Sounds like it’s time for a new fried chicken phone!
Perhaps you should brace yourself for some serious competition this year end.
Huawei is already ahead of Apple in key areas and I doubt the Mate 20 will ease the pressure, so rejoice that competition could lead to cheaper iPhones or more bang for buck.
In six weeks the Kirin 980 will be unveiled. 7nm process, second generation NPU and possibly an in-house GPU. A Kirin 1020 has also been rumoured.
This year Samsung got trumped by Huawei and won't be holding anything back either.
It could all be finger lickin' good come November ;-)
Nobody cares about your shilling for Huawei. You’ve only been reminded of this dozens of times.
It is ironic that you say that, given the huge problems Apple is currently suffering. iOS 11 may go down as one of the buggiest Apple releases ever, then you have the keyboard extension programme, the battery problems and now the i9 issues.
When it come to shipping products, Apple has not had a great year, has it?
At a deeper level, people are even now openly questioning the design philosophies that result in having to substitute expensive parts because another, unrelated part has a problem.
Sounds like it’s time for a new fried chicken phone!
Perhaps you should brace yourself for some serious competition this year end.
Huawei is already ahead of Apple in key areas and I doubt the Mate 20 will ease the pressure, so rejoice that competition could lead to cheaper iPhones or more bang for buck.
In six weeks the Kirin 980 will be unveiled. 7nm process, second generation NPU and possibly an in-house GPU. A Kirin 1020 has also been rumoured.
This year Samsung got trumped by Huawei and won't be holding anything back either.
It could all be finger lickin' good come November ;-)
Nobody cares about your shilling for Huawei. You’ve only been reminded of this dozens of times.
At least it's in a thread about Huawei which is kinda appropriate.
These idiots never learn. Market share without profit is pointless and eventually leads to collapse.
Makes you wonder how they earned their money to start the companies, or how they ever managed to make a living in the first place. Obviously none of them know anything at all about running a business. /s
Clearly some of them don’t, like those that end up on the chopping block and sold for parts.
No company will exist forever and Apple itself has been on the block in the past.
When was Apple for sale or sold for parts?
That “nothing lasts forever” is obvious and irrelevant. The sarcastic remark I replied to suggested phone companies obviously know how to run businesses. This is easily countered by pointing out the phone companies that got sold for parts, proving they in fact didn’t know how to run a successful business.
Sounds like it’s time for a new fried chicken phone!
Perhaps you should brace yourself for some serious competition this year end.
Yeah man. The iphone killers from the chinese knockoffs are always just down the road....They’re comin! Just you wait... Same old story.
Sorry, but when your business model is based on copying what Apple does after Apple does it, it makes this difficult. You can’t lead from behind.
It's not about 'iPhone killers'. That's the extremist in you because you think the iPhone is blazing the trail. It isn't, but most people simply don't care. They like what they like.
It's about competition and even the Mate 10 presentation was full of comparisons with Samsung and Apple. Comparisons that allow users to form a picture of how phones compare on many levels. If you watched one you would see things that would leave your comments on very shaky ground. It's not 'they're comin'. They are already here! No need to wait!
Sit down, take a breather and take a look at where Apple needs to catch-up because just by watching a couple of Huawei presentations you will see the pressure Apple is under. I'm talking batteries, charging, photography, modems, AI etc and even exterior design.
And while Apple's iPhone 8/X are looking rather tired now, Huawei has pushed the Kirin 970 down onto lower tiered NEW phones at attractive but profitable prices giving millions of users key features at affordable prices. Now Turbo GPU has been announced and even many older phones will get it and it is clear that Huawei has important plans for it to branch out of gaming uses in the future.
We'll see what Apple has up its sleeve but there's still a wait. And remember, Samsung also has to stoke its embers.
These idiots never learn. Market share without profit is pointless and eventually leads to collapse.
Makes you wonder how they earned their money to start the companies, or how they ever managed to make a living in the first place. Obviously none of them know anything at all about running a business. /s
Clearly some of them don’t, like those that end up on the chopping block and sold for parts.
No company will exist forever and Apple itself has been on the block in the past.
When was Apple for sale or sold for parts?
That “nothing lasts forever” is obvious and irrelevant. The sarcastic remark I replied to suggested phone companies obviously know how to run businesses. This is easily countered by pointing out the phone companies that got sold for parts, proving they in fact didn’t know how to run a successful business.
It is not about being sold for parts or being up for sale it's about the risk of it.
It's not the same being on the chopping board as actually having the butcher's cleaver come down. They are two completely different situations.
Getting sold or sold for parts is in no way an absolute sign of not knowing how to run a business. Many factors come into play.
Sounds like it’s time for a new fried chicken phone!
Perhaps you should brace yourself for some serious competition this year end.
Yeah man. The iphone killers from the chinese knockoffs are always just down the road....They’re comin! Just you wait... Same old story.
Sorry, but when your business model is based on copying what Apple does after Apple does it, it makes this difficult. You can’t lead from behind.
It's not about 'iPhone killers'. That's the extremist in you because you think the iPhone is blazing the trail. It isn't, but most people simply don't care. They like what they like.
It's about competition and even the Mate 10 presentation was full of comparisons with Samsung and Apple. Comparisons that allow users to form a picture of how phones compare on many levels. If you watched one you would see things that would leave your comments on very shaky ground. It's not 'they're comin'. They are already here! No need to wait!
Sit down, take a breather and take a look at where Apple needs to catch-up because just by watching a couple of Huawei presentations you will see the pressure Apple is under. I'm talking batteries, charging, photography, modems, AI etc and even exterior design.
And while Apple's iPhone 8/X are looking rather tired now, Huawei has pushed the Kirin 970 down onto lower tiered NEW phones at attractive but profitable prices giving millions of users key features at affordable prices. Now Turbo GPU has been announced and even many older phones will get it and it is clear that Huawei has important plans for it to branch out of gaming uses in the future.
We'll see what Apple has up its sleeve but there's still a wait. And remember, Samsung also has to stoke its embers.
70 percent of the 220 m iPhones sold next year will have the "tired" look of the X in three sizes, all running the A12, two of those models with OLED. The Turbo GPU isn't a relevant comparison to Apple anyway as all of Apple's products currently supported by iOS are running Metal or Metal 2. Turbo GT is just a Kludge for devices with limited GPU"s; there isn't anything "Turbo" about it other than the moniker.
You, as per usual, make comparisons between hardware, not ecosystems. In actuality, Huawei competes with Xiaomi, Samsung, Oppo, Vivo, et al, and not directly with Apple's iPhone. You should be concerned that Samsung will have three Galaxy 10's out, one with three color imagers, each in a different focal length, competing against a less effective system in the P20 Pro, which, as it turns out, isn't the big seller in the P20 line. Chasing features is a fool's errand.
More to the point, Qualcomm's Snapdragon 845, and Samsung's Exynos 9820, will match or exceed the Kirin 970 and 980, and I'm betting that the A12 will as well, so I'm not seeing much of a race.
I'm just not seeing Apple under pressure from "batteries, charging, photography, modems, or AI, and even exterior design". The fact is, most people gave up chasing features, and have settled into their favored ecosystem, so, not much leakage one way or another. Sad for Huawei that they have to spend so much in acquisition of all of those new customers to get to that 220 m units per year sales, while Apple will be making much higher ASP's and investing in services and new products.
Sounds like it’s time for a new fried chicken phone!
Perhaps you should brace yourself for some serious competition this year end.
Yeah man. The iphone killers from the chinese knockoffs are always just down the road....They’re comin! Just you wait... Same old story.
Sorry, but when your business model is based on copying what Apple does after Apple does it, it makes this difficult. You can’t lead from behind.
It's not about 'iPhone killers'. That's the extremist in you because you think the iPhone is blazing the trail. It isn't, but most people simply don't care. They like what they like.
It's about competition and even the Mate 10 presentation was full of comparisons with Samsung and Apple. Comparisons that allow users to form a picture of how phones compare on many levels. If you watched one you would see things that would leave your comments on very shaky ground. It's not 'they're comin'. They are already here! No need to wait!
Sit down, take a breather and take a look at where Apple needs to catch-up because just by watching a couple of Huawei presentations you will see the pressure Apple is under. I'm talking batteries, charging, photography, modems, AI etc and even exterior design.
And while Apple's iPhone 8/X are looking rather tired now, Huawei has pushed the Kirin 970 down onto lower tiered NEW phones at attractive but profitable prices giving millions of users key features at affordable prices. Now Turbo GPU has been announced and even many older phones will get it and it is clear that Huawei has important plans for it to branch out of gaming uses in the future.
We'll see what Apple has up its sleeve but there's still a wait. And remember, Samsung also has to stoke its embers.
I don’t need a breather. All I need to do is look at your chinese knockoff’s product portfolio to see all their ripoff designs and copied design language. Who are you trying to fool?
These idiots never learn. Market share without profit is pointless and eventually leads to collapse.
Makes you wonder how they earned their money to start the companies, or how they ever managed to make a living in the first place. Obviously none of them know anything at all about running a business. /s
Clearly some of them don’t, like those that end up on the chopping block and sold for parts.
No company will exist forever and Apple itself has been on the block in the past.
When was Apple for sale or sold for parts?
That “nothing lasts forever” is obvious and irrelevant. The sarcastic remark I replied to suggested phone companies obviously know how to run businesses. This is easily countered by pointing out the phone companies that got sold for parts, proving they in fact didn’t know how to run a successful business.
It is not about being sold for parts or being up for sale it's about the risk of it.
It's not the same being on the chopping board as actually having the butcher's cleaver come down. They are two completely different situations.
Getting sold or sold for parts is in no way an absolute sign of not knowing how to run a business. Many factors come into play.
Yeah no. Having your firm dissolved and sold off for its patent portfolio or whatnot is an absolute sign of failure to run the business. It’s definitley a know-how problem. Companies that know how to survive and make a profit don’t get sold for scrap.
Sounds like it’s time for a new fried chicken phone!
Perhaps you should brace yourself for some serious competition this year end.
Huawei is already ahead of Apple in key areas and I doubt the Mate 20 will ease the pressure, so rejoice that competition could lead to cheaper iPhones or more bang for buck.
In six weeks the Kirin 980 will be unveiled. 7nm process, second generation NPU and possibly an in-house GPU. A Kirin 1020 has also been rumoured.
This year Samsung got trumped by Huawei and won't be holding anything back either.
It could all be finger lickin' good come November ;-)
Nobody cares about your shilling for Huawei. You’ve only been reminded of this dozens of times.
As far as I can tell Huawei looks like a more fierce competitor then Samsung.
These idiots never learn. Market share without profit is pointless and eventually leads to collapse.
Makes you wonder how they earned their money to start the companies, or how they ever managed to make a living in the first place. Obviously none of them know anything at all about running a business. /s
Clearly some of them don’t, like those that end up on the chopping block and sold for parts.
No company will exist forever and Apple itself has been on the block in the past.
When was Apple for sale or sold for parts?
That “nothing lasts forever” is obvious and irrelevant. The sarcastic remark I replied to suggested phone companies obviously know how to run businesses. This is easily countered by pointing out the phone companies that got sold for parts, proving they in fact didn’t know how to run a successful business.
It is not about being sold for parts or being up for sale it's about the risk of it.
It's not the same being on the chopping board as actually having the butcher's cleaver come down. They are two completely different situations.
Getting sold or sold for parts is in no way an absolute sign of not knowing how to run a business. Many factors come into play.
Yeah no. Having your firm dissolved and sold off for its patent portfolio or whatnot is an absolute sign of failure to run the business. It’s definitley a know-how problem. Companies that know how to survive and make a profit don’t get sold for scrap.
No. It far from an absolute sign. It is just one of the reasons. I am astounded that you think like that. Perfectly well run businesses can go out of business for all manner of reasons.
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Huawei, so far, has been a major success story, outstripping even the most optimistic projections.
This is from just three years ago:
http://fortune.com/2015/10/28/huawei-chinese-smartphone-maker/
Huawei is already ahead of Apple in key areas and I doubt the Mate 20 will ease the pressure, so rejoice that competition could lead to cheaper iPhones or more bang for buck.
In six weeks the Kirin 980 will be unveiled. 7nm process, second generation NPU and possibly an in-house GPU. A Kirin 1020 has also been rumoured.
This year Samsung got trumped by Huawei and won't be holding anything back either.
It could all be finger lickin' good come November ;-)
Your points are valid and that is the best way to see things, but almost every single favourable blip on the Applesphere that registers in the minds of (too many) people as a 'win', almost inevitably goes hand in hand with some irrational comment slagging off the competition (the 'losers') and the people that use their products.
Those people don't seem to see the boomerang effect of the situation. People celebrate the exact same kind of news that was presented in this short article (like recently when analysts suggested more share or sales for Apple) but when it doesn't favour Apple so much, the 'so what', 'It's irrelevant', 'I don't care' comments flood the thread. People go on the defensive.
There is some relevance here but not from this news per se. Huawei in fact pulled ahead of Apple last year too. That was the first time Apple had been out of the top two since 2010 I believe. Definitely newsworthy following three years of flat sales for Apple.
It was relevant that the Mate 10 series really took Apple to the cleaners in some areas and earlier this year the P20 Pro went one step further. The talk of the town has not been the iPhone X this year but the P20 Pro. Samsung is also reeling from the media attention Huawei has received.
It's been a bad press year for Apple and rightly so. That's good for users because Apple only really produces its best (and at attractive prices) when its under the cosh.
This kind of competition is amazing for end users independently of whether Huawei actually hits 200 million.
Nobody cares about your shilling for Huawei. You’ve only been reminded of this dozens of times.
The $1,500 Mate 9 Porsche Edition sold out. I'm not sure how the $2,000 Mate RS Porsche Edition is doing though.
Following your comparison, we could say Huawei sells both McDonalds and Mortons and some Wagyu rib-eye.
When it come to shipping products, Apple has not had a great year, has it?
At a deeper level, people are even now openly questioning the design philosophies that result in having to substitute expensive parts because another, unrelated part has a problem.
That “nothing lasts forever” is obvious and irrelevant. The sarcastic remark I replied to suggested phone companies obviously know how to run businesses. This is easily countered by pointing out the phone companies that got sold for parts, proving they in fact didn’t know how to run a successful business.
Yeah man. The iphone killers from the chinese knockoffs are always just down the road....They’re comin! Just you wait... Same old story.
Sorry, but when your business model is based on copying what Apple does after Apple does it, it makes this difficult. You can’t lead from behind.
It's about competition and even the Mate 10 presentation was full of comparisons with Samsung and Apple. Comparisons that allow users to form a picture of how phones compare on many levels. If you watched one you would see things that would leave your comments on very shaky ground. It's not 'they're comin'. They are already here! No need to wait!
Sit down, take a breather and take a look at where Apple needs to catch-up because just by watching a couple of Huawei presentations you will see the pressure Apple is under. I'm talking batteries, charging, photography, modems, AI etc and even exterior design.
And while Apple's iPhone 8/X are looking rather tired now, Huawei has pushed the Kirin 970 down onto lower tiered NEW phones at attractive but profitable prices giving millions of users key features at affordable prices. Now Turbo GPU has been announced and even many older phones will get it and it is clear that Huawei has important plans for it to branch out of gaming uses in the future.
We'll see what Apple has up its sleeve but there's still a wait. And remember, Samsung also has to stoke its embers.
It's not the same being on the chopping board as actually having the butcher's cleaver come down. They are two completely different situations.
Getting sold or sold for parts is in no way an absolute sign of not knowing how to run a business. Many factors come into play.
You, as per usual, make comparisons between hardware, not ecosystems. In actuality, Huawei competes with Xiaomi, Samsung, Oppo, Vivo, et al, and not directly with Apple's iPhone. You should be concerned that Samsung will have three Galaxy 10's out, one with three color imagers, each in a different focal length, competing against a less effective system in the P20 Pro, which, as it turns out, isn't the big seller in the P20 line. Chasing features is a fool's errand.
More to the point, Qualcomm's Snapdragon 845, and Samsung's Exynos 9820, will match or exceed the Kirin 970 and 980, and I'm betting that the A12 will as well, so I'm not seeing much of a race.
I'm just not seeing Apple under pressure from "batteries, charging, photography, modems, or AI, and even exterior design". The fact is, most people gave up chasing features, and have settled into their favored ecosystem, so, not much leakage one way or another. Sad for Huawei that they have to spend so much in acquisition of all of those new customers to get to that 220 m units per year sales, while Apple will be making much higher ASP's and investing in services and new products.