What does a new chip from their semiconductor division have to do with the fact Samsung Mobile is a “company of the past”?
1) His post said nothing about a specific division of Samsung. He could’ve said their smartphones are outmoded, copycat products (which also wouldn’t be true), but instead he just said “they are a company.”
2) So when people say they don’t trust Samsung you think they’re talking about their mobile division and not the whole corporation despite also saying they want Apple to stop using Samsung components in their devices?
What grates on me about this whole series is not the jabs at the product. But their fictional onslaught against service, as if employees at 500 Apple stores are tone deaf and unresponsive. That's harsh. I don't know how to respond to that.
You just take it for what it is, a funny generalization of a unspectacular service employee. Nothing against real Apple Geniuses, if they accurately portrayed them then more people would want to go see for themselves.
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Indicates a likely net gain of users to iOS, but loyalty rate favors Android OS
iOS switchers
86% loyalty during 2017 (therefore 14% switch)
215.8 million iPhones sold
“Lost” about 30 million to Android
Android switchers
91% loyalty rate during 2017 (therefore 9% switch)
1.244 billion Android smartphones sold
“Lost” about 112 million to iOS
No mention of what is happening to remaining Windows phone users...
.
They confound FORCED TO STAY, with loyalty. If you can't afford to switch to IOS (too expensive), how can you be "loyal".
That's like people who are loyal to buying used cars.... Compared to people buying beemers.
The only important people part is loyalty of people that can actually afford to switch, Samsung buyers, high end LG buyers, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, the loyalty of Android users is pretty bad.
Can you show the rest of us where to "look at that" to see how bad it really is?
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
What does a new chip from their semiconductor division have to do with the fact Samsung Mobile is a “company of the past”?
1) His post said nothing about a specific division of Samsung. He could’ve said their smartphones are outmoded, copycat products (which also wouldn’t be true), but instead he just said “they are a company.”
2) So when people say they don’t trust Samsung you think they’re talking about their mobile division and not the whole corporation despite also saying they want Apple to stop using Samsung components in their devices?
The article is about Samsung phones. Not their chips, washing machines or the kitchen sink. So yes, any comment should be assumed to be about their phones unless stated otherwise.
Neither the poster you replied to, nor I, mentioned trusting Samsung. So why are you bringing that into the discussion?
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Indicates a likely net gain of users to iOS, but loyalty rate favors Android OS
iOS switchers
86% loyalty during 2017 (therefore 14% switch)
215.8 million iPhones sold
“Lost” about 30 million to Android
Android switchers
91% loyalty rate during 2017 (therefore 9% switch)
1.244 billion Android smartphones sold
“Lost” about 112 million to iOS
No mention of what is happening to remaining Windows phone users...
.
They confound FORCED TO STAY, with loyalty. If you can't afford to switch to IOS (too expensive), how can you be "loyal".
That's like people who are loyal to buying used cars.... Compared to people buying beemers.
The only important people part is loyalty of people that can actually afford to switch, Samsung buyers, high end LG buyers, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, the loyalty of Android users is pretty bad.
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
Completely irrelevant, not pertinent as you falsely claim.
You can always find examples of wealthy people who live a simple life. Or high school dropouts who start multi-million dollar businesses or university graduates who cant find a job. Outliers like these are not representative of the entire population, and are useless to try and use as an argument.
What foggyhill said is true. The vast majority of Android devices sold worldwide are $50 disposable phones. Saying Android users are loyal because of the OS their phone runs is asinine when those buyers simply wanted a smartphone at the lowest price possible. You think the person walking into 7-11 to get that new $39.95 phone is "loyal" to Android?
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Indicates a likely net gain of users to iOS, but loyalty rate favors Android OS
iOS switchers
86% loyalty during 2017 (therefore 14% switch)
215.8 million iPhones sold
“Lost” about 30 million to Android
Android switchers
91% loyalty rate during 2017 (therefore 9% switch)
1.244 billion Android smartphones sold
“Lost” about 112 million to iOS
No mention of what is happening to remaining Windows phone users...
.
They confound FORCED TO STAY, with loyalty. If you can't afford to switch to IOS (too expensive), how can you be "loyal".
That's like people who are loyal to buying used cars.... Compared to people buying beemers.
The only important people part is loyalty of people that can actually afford to switch, Samsung buyers, high end LG buyers, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, the loyalty of Android users is pretty bad.
Can you show the rest of us where to "look at that" to see how bad it really is?
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
You're attempting to make an argument that price sensitivity is loyalty, when in fact, allegiances flip quickly if the price is right. I don't disagree that there are a great proportion of Android OS users that prefer Android, but lets not kid ourselves that Android didn't get it's growth primarily from a much lower device ASP compared to the iPhone.
I've stated this, and Daniel has as well; what you buy is your vote, and it is often quite different from what you aspire to.
Nothing wrong with that, but if you really want to test loyalty, compare the loyalty among the various Android OS device makers correlated against price. I'm guessing that Samsung spends a great deal of time and money trying to keep Galaxy owners from straying to other device makers, and Google is spending heavily to gain a foothold for it's own Pixel product line. All of that is currently reflected in the much lower ASP's of Android OS devices; there a cost of acquisition for Huawei to "steal" one of Samsung's Galaxy users, and the tell is high unit growth rates with substantially lower revenue growth.
Notice how I compare Android OS devices against iPhone; same as every wanna be Android OS manufacturer.
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Indicates a likely net gain of users to iOS, but loyalty rate favors Android OS
iOS switchers
86% loyalty during 2017 (therefore 14% switch)
215.8 million iPhones sold
“Lost” about 30 million to Android
Android switchers
91% loyalty rate during 2017 (therefore 9% switch)
1.244 billion Android smartphones sold
“Lost” about 112 million to iOS
No mention of what is happening to remaining Windows phone users...
.
They confound FORCED TO STAY, with loyalty. If you can't afford to switch to IOS (too expensive), how can you be "loyal".
That's like people who are loyal to buying used cars.... Compared to people buying beemers.
The only important people part is loyalty of people that can actually afford to switch, Samsung buyers, high end LG buyers, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, the loyalty of Android users is pretty bad.
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
Completely irrelevant, not pertinent as you falsely claim.
You can always find examples of wealthy people who live a simple life. Or high school dropouts who start multi-million dollar businesses or university graduates who cant find a job. Outliers like these are not representative of the entire population, and are useless to try and use as an argument.
What foggyhill said is true. The vast majority of Android devices sold worldwide are $50 disposable phones. Saying Android users are loyal because of the OS their phone runs is asinine when those buyers simply wanted a smartphone at the lowest price possible. You think the person walking into 7-11 to get that new $39.95 phone is "loyal" to Android?
Well of course it's completely irrelevant. Why? Because ya' said so even tho it speaks directly to the comment Foggy made. Maybe you're just out for a morning troll I suppose.... You could'a just waved and walked on by.
...But since you've volunteered to be Foggy's spokesperson you must be the number keeper on how many $800+ Android phones were sold last year. You're also claiming to have numbers on how many of those switching to iOS were formally buying those expensive Android handsets vs than the mid-rangers or cheap ones, proving that Foggy was 100% correct, that the only folks sticking with Android are the ones who can't afford to move. So ready when you are, post those numbers. Do I have to wait long?
But maybe, just maybe, if straight up price is not the only (maybe not even biggest) reason perhaps just like the truly (smart IMO) rich some of them aren't against buying used or new inexpensive if it fits the same purpose. Could have something to do with a lot of sub-$500 phones doing everything most folks use 'em for as well as a $1000 one IMO: -Email -Texting -Music -Casual photos -Watching videos -Directions
Kinda like if all you need is to know is the time you don't need a Rolex, if all you use a phone for is the usual stuff what benefit is a $800+ one beyond "oh look, how shiny, he/she must be important!". Yet my son who works only when he wants spent nearly $900. My grandson who works part time ( and just quit to look for a better job... Really?) spent $1100 on one. What do they do so special with 'em? Snapchat. And texting. And Facebook. And YouTube. And an occasional game. And texting. And YouTube. And And more YouTube. And pictures. And music. Did I say YouTube and texting? Could'a done the same and just as well for $300 or less IMO, but gotta impress the peeps right?
Anyway there's any number of reasons beyond price to choose one over another. Maybe you just want the cred, impress your friends. Or maybe some wanted feature isn't available on the more expensive one so you go cheaper, or you just like how one phone looks compared to another, or perhaps already very comfortable with the OS you've been using (which is pretty likely) and would rather not learn a new one. Lots of stuff besides "gosh I just can't afford an iPhone". There's lots of $300 iPhones. Brand new "Free" ones if you can abide a contract.
Heck we have Apple users right here who see little reason to buy new, saying a used and well-kept 7 is great if you need a phone, and others unmotivated to get rid of the 6s that's served them well for the past couple of years 'cause there's just nothing the new one does that their old one doesn't. My own current fav is a 2 year old gently used small-form Pixel. Up-to-date OS ( actually ahead as it's running Android P beta4), latest security and system fixes, absolutely reliable so far, simple, got the best new features via updates, great camera, easy to carry, and cost less than $250. Why would I benefit from one costing three times as much if I'm not running stuff like scientific applications on it? I mean really, how many people do?
No wait, you'd probably say those folks are all just haters then... Did I nail it?
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Indicates a likely net gain of users to iOS, but loyalty rate favors Android OS
iOS switchers
86% loyalty during 2017 (therefore 14% switch)
215.8 million iPhones sold
“Lost” about 30 million to Android
Android switchers
91% loyalty rate during 2017 (therefore 9% switch)
1.244 billion Android smartphones sold
“Lost” about 112 million to iOS
No mention of what is happening to remaining Windows phone users...
.
They confound FORCED TO STAY, with loyalty. If you can't afford to switch to IOS (too expensive), how can you be "loyal".
That's like people who are loyal to buying used cars.... Compared to people buying beemers.
The only important people part is loyalty of people that can actually afford to switch, Samsung buyers, high end LG buyers, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, the loyalty of Android users is pretty bad.
Can you show the rest of us where to "look at that" to see how bad it really is?
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
You're attempting to make an argument that price sensitivity is loyalty, when in fact, allegiances flip quickly if the price is right. I don't disagree that there are a great proportion of Android OS users that prefer Android, but lets not kid ourselves that Android didn't get it's growth primarily from a much lower device ASP compared to the iPhone.
I've stated this, and Daniel has as well; what you buy is your vote, and it is often quite different from what you aspire to.
Nothing wrong with that, but if you really want to test loyalty, compare the loyalty among the various Android OS device makers correlated against price. I'm guessing that Samsung spends a great deal of time and money trying to keep Galaxy owners from straying to other device makers, and Google is spending heavily to gain a foothold for it's own Pixel product line. All of that is currently reflected in the much lower ASP's of Android OS devices; there a cost of acquisition for Huawei to "steal" one of Samsung's Galaxy users, and the tell is high unit growth rates with substantially lower revenue growth.
Notice how I compare Android OS devices against iPhone; same as every wanna be Android OS manufacturer.
Just because DED stated it does not make it true. He's on the EDITORIAL staff AFAIK. If it's all about the price there's brand new iPhone options from $349. That's a lesser cost than many of the budget Android phones. BOGOS and "free iPhones" are common too throughout the year.
I suggest then it's NOT just about "the price". If I were ranking I'd say it's as much aboutwhat you get for the price first and foremost, the OS you're already accustomed to that runs the apps you already use 2nd, and colors and styles you find attractive 3rd. Would you agree? This whole "everyone aspires to to owning an iPhone" is nice work by some marketing department IMHO. Great brand which no one disputes but there's reasons for owning something else beyond "the price".
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Indicates a likely net gain of users to iOS, but loyalty rate favors Android OS
iOS switchers
86% loyalty during 2017 (therefore 14% switch)
215.8 million iPhones sold
“Lost” about 30 million to Android
Android switchers
91% loyalty rate during 2017 (therefore 9% switch)
1.244 billion Android smartphones sold
“Lost” about 112 million to iOS
No mention of what is happening to remaining Windows phone users...
.
They confound FORCED TO STAY, with loyalty. If you can't afford to switch to IOS (too expensive), how can you be "loyal".
That's like people who are loyal to buying used cars.... Compared to people buying beemers.
The only important people part is loyalty of people that can actually afford to switch, Samsung buyers, high end LG buyers, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, the loyalty of Android users is pretty bad.
Can you show the rest of us where to "look at that" to see how bad it really is?
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
You're attempting to make an argument that price sensitivity is loyalty, when in fact, allegiances flip quickly if the price is right. I don't disagree that there are a great proportion of Android OS users that prefer Android, but lets not kid ourselves that Android didn't get it's growth primarily from a much lower device ASP compared to the iPhone.
I've stated this, and Daniel has as well; what you buy is your vote, and it is often quite different from what you aspire to.
Nothing wrong with that, but if you really want to test loyalty, compare the loyalty among the various Android OS device makers correlated against price. I'm guessing that Samsung spends a great deal of time and money trying to keep Galaxy owners from straying to other device makers, and Google is spending heavily to gain a foothold for it's own Pixel product line. All of that is currently reflected in the much lower ASP's of Android OS devices; there a cost of acquisition for Huawei to "steal" one of Samsung's Galaxy users, and the tell is high unit growth rates with substantially lower revenue growth.
Notice how I compare Android OS devices against iPhone; same as every wanna be Android OS manufacturer.
Just because DED stated it does not make it true. He's on the EDITORIAL staff AFAIK. If it's all about the price there's brand new iPhone options from $349. That's a lesser cost than many of the budget Android phones. BOGOS and "free iPhones" are common too throughout the year.
I suggest then it's NOT just about "the price". If I were ranking I'd say it's as much aboutwhat you get for the price first and foremost, the OS you're already accustomed to that runs the apps you already use 2nd, and colors and styles you find attractive 3rd. Would you agree? This whole "everyone aspires to to owning an iPhone" is nice work by some marketing department IMHO. Great brand which no one disputes but there's reasons for owning something else beyond "the price".
If Apple's lowest price product is $349, and the highest ASP of any Android OS device maker is Samsung at it's peak of $249, then yes, there are a lot of people buying very low priced devices that they can afford, and a lot less so buying premium devices. I never stated or even implied that everyone aspires to an iPhone, but certainly, there are a lot of people buying the least expensive devices aspiring to get some of the features that they gave up for price. Would you agree?
In fact, the expectation of all of these Android OS device makers is to obtain enough branding so that the buyers of their low end devices today, preferentially upgrade to their more expensive products in the future, over moving to a competitors device.
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Indicates a likely net gain of users to iOS, but loyalty rate favors Android OS
iOS switchers
86% loyalty during 2017 (therefore 14% switch)
215.8 million iPhones sold
“Lost” about 30 million to Android
Android switchers
91% loyalty rate during 2017 (therefore 9% switch)
1.244 billion Android smartphones sold
“Lost” about 112 million to iOS
No mention of what is happening to remaining Windows phone users...
.
They confound FORCED TO STAY, with loyalty. If you can't afford to switch to IOS (too expensive), how can you be "loyal".
That's like people who are loyal to buying used cars.... Compared to people buying beemers.
The only important people part is loyalty of people that can actually afford to switch, Samsung buyers, high end LG buyers, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, the loyalty of Android users is pretty bad.
Can you show the rest of us where to "look at that" to see how bad it really is?
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
You're attempting to make an argument that price sensitivity is loyalty, when in fact, allegiances flip quickly if the price is right. I don't disagree that there are a great proportion of Android OS users that prefer Android, but lets not kid ourselves that Android didn't get it's growth primarily from a much lower device ASP compared to the iPhone.
I've stated this, and Daniel has as well; what you buy is your vote, and it is often quite different from what you aspire to.
Nothing wrong with that, but if you really want to test loyalty, compare the loyalty among the various Android OS device makers correlated against price. I'm guessing that Samsung spends a great deal of time and money trying to keep Galaxy owners from straying to other device makers, and Google is spending heavily to gain a foothold for it's own Pixel product line. All of that is currently reflected in the much lower ASP's of Android OS devices; there a cost of acquisition for Huawei to "steal" one of Samsung's Galaxy users, and the tell is high unit growth rates with substantially lower revenue growth.
Notice how I compare Android OS devices against iPhone; same as every wanna be Android OS manufacturer.
Just because DED stated it does not make it true. He's on the EDITORIAL staff AFAIK. If it's all about the price there's brand new iPhone options from $349. That's a lesser cost than many of the budget Android phones. BOGOS and "free iPhones" are common too throughout the year.
I suggest then it's NOT just about "the price". If I were ranking I'd say it's as much aboutwhat you get for the price first and foremost, the OS you're already accustomed to that runs the apps you already use 2nd, and colors and styles you find attractive 3rd. Would you agree? This whole "everyone aspires to to owning an iPhone" is nice work by some marketing department IMHO. Great brand which no one disputes but there's reasons for owning something else beyond "the price".
If Apple's lowest price product is $349, and the highest ASP of any Android OS device maker is Samsung at it's peak of $249, then yes, there are a lot of people buying very low priced devices that they can afford, and a lot less so buying premium devices. I never stated or even implied that everyone aspires to an iPhone, but certainly, there are a lot of people buying the least expensive devices aspiring to get some of the features that they gave up for price. Would you agree?
In fact, the expectation of all of these Android OS device makers is to obtain enough branding so that the buyers of their low end devices today, preferentially upgrade to their more expensive products in the future, over moving to a competitors device.
That's the "loyalty" that I am talking about.
Ok, I'm pretty much there with ya now. Maybe not 100% but close enough to move on to other stuff. Thanks TMay, good comments.
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice.
Actually this is the first decent explanation for these moronic ads that I've seen. They're not for iPhone users because it's common knowledge that iPhone has a massive retention percentage. So the much bigger risk is losing Samsung users to the iPhone. This is them begging their users not to switch.
But your "solid ads" comment is way off, sorry. These are awful and is just the latest in a long history of idiotic Samsung campaings.
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Knockoff Apple users stick to them because they're replaceable with a pocket of change. I know these people personally and when their knockoff iPhone breaks after 4 months they pull out 20 bucks and get a new one.
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice. It's preaching to the choir, so to speak.
I have trouble thinking the average person is concerned about the notch (considering just about every phone has one now), sd card slots (it may be expandable, but a pain when you need to transfer data if you outgrow one and don't have a pc), or split screen. At least not as buzz words.
If these things are truly important, than show it in action and sell the benefits, not just listen a few random things the iPhone doesn't have.
1) I"m not sure what you mean by "new customers."
2) I think these videos are good because they're targeting their base well. These are not for iPhone users (although they'd love to get some switchers from Android). On a minor level I think these are people that have never used a smartphone but have heard various chatter from the Android-using masses about how Apple doesn't do this or that and how Apple just charges you for for their brand name. Mostly, I think these ads are targeted towards Android users. People that already make those dumb comments about Apple sucks to justify their current crap device. These ads target those people.
This is just Samsung positioning itself as "Android's iPhone", and I agree that it is targeted at existing Samsung customers especially those that might me be lured to some to the other Premium Android OS devices.
Still, Apple's ecosystem remains unparalleled, so I don't see many current iPhone users leaving, and certainly the data shows more entering.
Increasingly that's the same with Android users. Both camps are pretty well ensconced. Apple users will remain Apple users and Android owners are even more likely to remain with Android according to the report from last month.
Knockoff Apple users stick to them because they're replaceable with a pocket of change. I know these people personally and when their knockoff iPhone breaks after 4 months they pull out 20 bucks and get a new one.
A smart plan if they have better uses for the money, stuff more important than a flashy phone. Don't know about the "break in four months", altho my son watched a girl get a new iPhone at TMo a few weeks ago, decline the extra coverage, and stumble on the sidewalk on the way out where her brand new phone screen broke the fall. :O
Eh, I don't think so really. At least not on attracting new customers.
I think this whole ad campaign is great at making Samsung's customers feel better that they made the superior choice.
Actually this is the first decent explanation for these moronic ads that I've seen. They're not for iPhone users because it's common knowledge that iPhone has a massive retention percentage. So the much bigger risk is losing Samsung users to the iPhone. This is them begging their users not to switch.
But your "solid ads" comment is way off, sorry. These are awful and is just the latest in a long history of idiotic Samsung campaings.
Explain to me how these ads are incapable of getting Android-users to consider switching to Samsung as their vendor.
These adverts are pitiful and a real compliment to Apple ultimately; It shows the level of desperation within Samsung electronics. They’re clearly panicking about their customers jumping ship. I’d love to be a fly on the wall at corporate. These sort of ads never do the client any favours in my opinion. Moreover, if these silly non-issue complaints are the biggest faults with the X then Apple don’t have much to worry about. I’ve had mine since launch and while the notch is clearly a small compromise, it really doesn’t bother me and I’m quite finicky about design and details. I have the 256GB and have always gone for top storage so SD cards have never been an issue for me. Frankly they come with their own trade offs with regard to data read/write being much slower and corruption issues, people not realising the problem of hot swapping them etc. As for split screen, I mean seriously that sort of multitasking on a small device is pointless, completely the wrong tool for the job and anyone who “needs” to have a YouTube video or something in view while they’re performing some other task likely has psychological problems. All in all I’m very happy with my purchase, and I can’t see these ads having any material impact on Apple customers so really they’re a waste of their ad budget.
as cheap and tacky as this might seem to the AI regulars, I can clearly see this having an impact on the average non-techy person. E.g. $140 markup to double the storage vs $20 to quadruple it with a micro-sd card can be a deal breaker for some. They may never need that extra storage but the notion that Apple charges you much more for something is the underlying tone and will stick with people who read in the papers about how insanely rich and profitable Apple are. It's dirty tactics but it's clever.
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2) So when people say they don’t trust Samsung you think they’re talking about their mobile division and not the whole corporation despite also saying they want Apple to stop using Samsung components in their devices?
Thanks for the free advertising. None of the things complained about in the commercials are things that have a negative impact on most users.
...BTW, many of the wealthiest people I know are "loyal to buying used cars" when they could easily afford to buy nearly any new vehicle they wish. In general that's an indicator for WHY they're wealthy. recognizing value over "oooh, new shiny thing". Some of the poorest folks I've known are also iPhone owners, IMHO an indicator they may remain poor for a long long time. Weird huh?
EDIT: Pertinent discussion:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-wealthy-people-buy-used-cars-rather-than-buy-new-ones-or-lease-them
The article is about Samsung phones. Not their chips, washing machines or the kitchen sink. So yes, any comment should be assumed to be about their phones unless stated otherwise.
Neither the poster you replied to, nor I, mentioned trusting Samsung. So why are you bringing that into the discussion?
Completely irrelevant, not pertinent as you falsely claim.
You can always find examples of wealthy people who live a simple life. Or high school dropouts who start multi-million dollar businesses or university graduates who cant find a job. Outliers like these are not representative of the entire population, and are useless to try and use as an argument.
What foggyhill said is true. The vast majority of Android devices sold worldwide are $50 disposable phones. Saying Android users are loyal because of the OS their phone runs is asinine when those buyers simply wanted a smartphone at the lowest price possible. You think the person walking into 7-11 to get that new $39.95 phone is "loyal" to Android?
I've stated this, and Daniel has as well; what you buy is your vote, and it is often quite different from what you aspire to.
Nothing wrong with that, but if you really want to test loyalty, compare the loyalty among the various Android OS device makers correlated against price. I'm guessing that Samsung spends a great deal of time and money trying to keep Galaxy owners from straying to other device makers, and Google is spending heavily to gain a foothold for it's own Pixel product line. All of that is currently reflected in the much lower ASP's of Android OS devices; there a cost of acquisition for Huawei to "steal" one of Samsung's Galaxy users, and the tell is high unit growth rates with substantially lower revenue growth.
Notice how I compare Android OS devices against iPhone; same as every wanna be Android OS manufacturer.
...But since you've volunteered to be Foggy's spokesperson you must be the number keeper on how many $800+ Android phones were sold last year. You're also claiming to have numbers on how many of those switching to iOS were formally buying those expensive Android handsets vs than the mid-rangers or cheap ones, proving that Foggy was 100% correct, that the only folks sticking with Android are the ones who can't afford to move. So ready when you are, post those numbers. Do I have to wait long?
But maybe, just maybe, if straight up price is not the only (maybe not even biggest) reason perhaps just like the truly (smart IMO) rich some of them aren't against buying used or new inexpensive if it fits the same purpose. Could have something to do with a lot of sub-$500 phones doing everything most folks use 'em for as well as a $1000 one IMO:
-Email
-Texting
-Music
-Casual photos
-Watching videos
-Directions
Kinda like if all you need is to know is the time you don't need a Rolex, if all you use a phone for is the usual stuff what benefit is a $800+ one beyond "oh look, how shiny, he/she must be important!". Yet my son who works only when he wants spent nearly $900. My grandson who works part time ( and just quit to look for a better job... Really?) spent $1100 on one. What do they do so special with 'em? Snapchat. And texting. And Facebook. And YouTube. And an occasional game. And texting. And YouTube. And And more YouTube. And pictures. And music. Did I say YouTube and texting? Could'a done the same and just as well for $300 or less IMO, but gotta impress the peeps right?
Anyway there's any number of reasons beyond price to choose one over another. Maybe you just want the cred, impress your friends. Or maybe some wanted feature isn't available on the more expensive one so you go cheaper, or you just like how one phone looks compared to another, or perhaps already very comfortable with the OS you've been using (which is pretty likely) and would rather not learn a new one. Lots of stuff besides "gosh I just can't afford an iPhone". There's lots of $300 iPhones. Brand new "Free" ones if you can abide a contract.
Heck we have Apple users right here who see little reason to buy new, saying a used and well-kept 7 is great if you need a phone, and others unmotivated to get rid of the 6s that's served them well for the past couple of years 'cause there's just nothing the new one does that their old one doesn't. My own current fav is a 2 year old gently used small-form Pixel. Up-to-date OS ( actually ahead as it's running Android P beta4), latest security and system fixes, absolutely reliable so far, simple, got the best new features via updates, great camera, easy to carry, and cost less than $250. Why would I benefit from one costing three times as much if I'm not running stuff like scientific applications on it? I mean really, how many people do?
No wait, you'd probably say those folks are all just haters then... Did I nail it?
If it's all about the price there's brand new iPhone options from $349. That's a lesser cost than many of the budget Android phones. BOGOS and "free iPhones" are common too throughout the year.
I suggest then it's NOT just about "the price". If I were ranking I'd say it's as much about what you get for the price first and foremost, the OS you're already accustomed to that runs the apps you already use 2nd, and colors and styles you find attractive 3rd. Would you agree? This whole "everyone aspires to to owning an iPhone" is nice work by some marketing department IMHO. Great brand which no one disputes but there's reasons for owning something else beyond "the price".
In fact, the expectation of all of these Android OS device makers is to obtain enough branding so that the buyers of their low end devices today, preferentially upgrade to their more expensive products in the future, over moving to a competitors device.
That's the "loyalty" that I am talking about.
But your "solid ads" comment is way off, sorry. These are awful and is just the latest in a long history of idiotic Samsung campaings.