Apple supplier earnings suggest TrueDepth coming to three new iPhone models in 2018

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in iPhone edited August 2018
Apple TrueDepth parts supplier Lumentum reported better than expected results for the June quarter, with anticipated order volume suggesting the depth-sensing camera system will arrive on three new iPhone models this year, according to analyst predictions.

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In an earnings report this week, Lumentum, which furnishes the lion's share of vertical cavity surface emitting laser (VCSEL) modules used to power Apple's TrueDepth camera array on iPhone X, noted an end-of-quarter ramp in 3D sensing component shipments to key customers.

According to analyst Gene Munster of Loup Ventures, the higher shipping volumes, paired with an expected acceleration of orders set to play out over the coming two quarters, bodes well for Apple's product pipeline.

For the just ended quarter, Lumentum posted revenues of $301 million, beating Wall Street expectations of $287 million. Of the $301 million figure, 3D sensing revenues, a figure tied to VCSEL production, contributed between $60 million to 65 million. While "compressed" due to seasonality, 3D sensing numbers are anticipated to pick up significantly in the second half of 2018 as Apple refreshes its iPhone lineup.

Munster believes Lumentum's earlier than expected ramp in VCSEL arrays hints at future iPhone model specifications. In particular, accelerated order volume suggests Apple plans to incorporate TrueDepth into three distinct products this year.

"Given the sooner than expected ramp in VCSEL arrays, we believe this fall, Apple will have 3 (including iPhone X) iPhone models with the VCSEL laser," Munster said. "Furthermore, Lumentum results suggest current iPhone X demand is healthy."

Today's findings bolster predictions of a three-iPhone launch cycle first made last year when another VCSEL supplier, Finisar, announced the acquisition of a 700,000-square foot plant. The purchase was made with money received as part of a $390 million grant from Apple, presaging the tech giant's plans to double down on TrueDepth in 2018.

Apple is widely rumored to offer three handset formats for 2018. Alongside a refreshed 5.8-inch iPhone X, the company is anticipated to field a larger 6.5-inch OLED variant and a mid-tier model with 6.1-inch LCD screen. Each of the new smartphones are believed to include Face ID functionality, a biometric authentication feature powered by Apple's TrueDepth camera array. The advanced depth-sensing technology also powers augmented reality features built on Apple's ARKit framework.

In addition to iPhone, Munster believes Apple is looking to integrate TrueDepth into other product lines like iPad. Reports have suggested TrueDepth and Face ID will show up in the next-generation iPad Pro lineup, replacing the home button to free up valuable space for a thin bezel design and edge-to-edge display. A similar design was seemingly revealed in iconography found in Apple's latest iOS 12 beta release.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 9
    Predicting that if 3 models get TrueDepth, they will be:

    iPhone X
    iPhone X Plus
    iPad Pro

    LCD iPhone will get standard cameras and Touch ID.
    chasmwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 9
    mad4erit said:
    Predicting that if 3 models get TrueDepth, they will be:

    iPhone X
    iPhone X Plus
    iPad Pro

    LCD iPhone will get standard cameras and Touch ID.
    Two iPhones and two iPads so at least four models, not three.

    But why do you believe the many rumors and leaks about three iphone models—and that one of the three is LCD—but disbelieve those same sources when they say the LCD has FaceID?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 9
    mad4erit said:
    Predicting that if 3 models get TrueDepth, they will be:

    iPhone X
    iPhone X Plus
    iPad Pro

    LCD iPhone will get standard cameras and Touch ID.
    Two iPhones and two iPads so at least four models, not three.

    But why do you believe the many rumors and leaks about three iphone models—and that one of the three is LCD—but disbelieve those same sources when they say the LCD has FaceID?
    3 premium phones doesn’t seem plausible. A “budget” model seems likely, and for it to be less expensive it needs less premium features. The report didn’t indicate why the earnings indicated 3 devices or why they were specifically iPhone. I believe the very credible rumors that the iPad Pro will be gaining Face ID, and so one of the devices must be an iPad (or 2 - iPad sales far fewer than iPhone).
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 9
    bsimpsenbsimpsen Posts: 398member
    mad4erit said:
    Predicting that if 3 models get TrueDepth, they will be:

    iPhone X
    iPhone X Plus
    iPad Pro

    LCD iPhone will get standard cameras and Touch ID.
    That doesn't jibe with the images of three buttonless phones.
  • Reply 5 of 9
    jwdawsojwdawso Posts: 389member
    mad4erit said:
    Predicting that if 3 models get TrueDepth, they will be:

    iPhone X
    iPhone X Plus
    iPad Pro

    LCD iPhone will get standard cameras and Touch ID.
    Maybe so. However, I’m not sure that the cost for Face ID is much more than Touch ID now so I tend to believe that the cheaper lcd model will have it. 
  • Reply 6 of 9
    The report already mentions FaceID usage in iPad in addition to three iPhone models, and you wanting to change three iPhones to two iPhones could strike 40-50 million units from the total volume. You’ve given no rationale for saying one of the iPhones “must be” referring to iPad(s). 

    The FaceID components aren't nearly as expensive as you must think, estimated at less than $17 for iPhone X. 2018 model volumes will be much higher than 2017 with only the X, which will drive the cost down further. So it’s not at all too expensive for the budget model. 

    Last year’s “budget” models were $699/799 and there’s no reason to think this year’s will be much different. iPhone 8/8 Plus models should drop to $599/699 next month, and it’s likely the new LCD model will sell at a higher price point than the year-old 8 series. So there’s no reason to think the LCD model couldn’t absorb the cost of FaceID.  

    There are many rumors, and also parts leaks which must be disregarded if we’re to believe the LCD model has TouchID. For that reason and the reasoning above, you fail to convince me your counter rumor has any validity. 

    edited August 2018
  • Reply 7 of 9
    wonkothesanewonkothesane Posts: 1,724member
    In addition, Munster believes Apple is working on a TV set.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 9
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,329member
    The report already mentions FaceID usage in iPad in addition to three iPhone models, and you wanting to change three iPhones to two iPhones could strike 40-50 million units from the total volume. You’ve given no rationale for saying one of the iPhones “must be” referring to iPad(s). 

    The FaceID components aren't nearly as expensive as you must think, estimated at less than $17 for iPhone X. 2018 model volumes will be much higher than 2017 with only the X, which will drive the cost down further. So it’s not at all too expensive for the budget model. 

    Last year’s “budget” models were $699/799 and there’s no reason to think this year’s will be much different. iPhone 8/8 Plus models should drop to $599/699 next month, and it’s likely the new LCD model will sell at a higher price point than the year-old 8 series. So there’s no reason to think the LCD model couldn’t absorb the cost of FaceID.  

    There are many rumors, and also parts leaks which must be disregarded if we’re to believe the LCD model has TouchID. For that reason and the reasoning above, you fail to convince me your counter rumor has any validity. 

    Three iPhones

    Two iPad Pro's

    Leaves one additional "distinct" product that will get TrueDepth components. 

    Want to bet that is the Mac Book or Mac Book Air update?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 9
    tmay said:
    The report already mentions FaceID usage in iPad in addition to three iPhone models, and you wanting to change three iPhones to two iPhones could strike 40-50 million units from the total volume. You’ve given no rationale for saying one of the iPhones “must be” referring to iPad(s). 

    The FaceID components aren't nearly as expensive as you must think, estimated at less than $17 for iPhone X. 2018 model volumes will be much higher than 2017 with only the X, which will drive the cost down further. So it’s not at all too expensive for the budget model. 

    Last year’s “budget” models were $699/799 and there’s no reason to think this year’s will be much different. iPhone 8/8 Plus models should drop to $599/699 next month, and it’s likely the new LCD model will sell at a higher price point than the year-old 8 series. So there’s no reason to think the LCD model couldn’t absorb the cost of FaceID.  

    There are many rumors, and also parts leaks which must be disregarded if we’re to believe the LCD model has TouchID. For that reason and the reasoning above, you fail to convince me your counter rumor has any validity. 

    Three iPhones

    Two iPad Pro's

    Leaves one additional "distinct" product that will get TrueDepth components. 

    Want to bet that is the Mac Book or Mac Book Air update?
    Next year’s MBP and maybe iMac. 
    watto_cobra
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