I hhope Tesla goes away before the iCar goes into production.
Well, then your hope really sucks because Tesla just like Apple is here to stay and thrive. Their cars drive like a dream. My $49k Model 3 becomes $35.5k after rebates and tax credit. With $10k+ saving on gas after 5 years, it’s pretty much $25k-car and lower to come. Beat that with your Camry.
You forgot to mention how high priced your insurance is, and I certainly hope the you have another vehicle available just in case you have to take your Model 3 in for service or repair.
Camry's never had those problems.
There's some maths associated with the propellant too. The Camry eats gasoline, the Tesla electrons, neither of which are free. Depending where you live, the electrons might be comparatively cheap or expensive. And the electrons may or may not have come from a renewable resource, so that's not really a factor (although the efficiency of doing so is.) Gasoline is available on about every street corner, consumable electrons not so much. Those batteries come an a cost in money and environmental factors too.
I do hope electric cars succeed. But we've gotten really good at making gasoline powered ones.
I think that the idea of BEV's is terrific, just that Tesla isn't necessarily going to be building the vehicle that I would want to purchase, mainly due to the large amount of anecdotal evidence of poor initial build, and really, really, shitty service and support. Throw in the fact that there is no, and never will be, a $35k Model 3. In fact, Tesla is actually suffering a demand problem for the Model 3 as we speak; not enough buyers for all of the currently available units. Given that the tax credits will halve by January, how many of those deposits will turn into actual sales?
Build me a BEV with the quality, maintainability, and sustainability of a Camry, and I'm more than happy to be a participant.
I hhope Tesla goes away before the iCar goes into production.
Well, then your hope really sucks because Tesla just like Apple is here to stay and thrive. Their cars drive like a dream. My $49k Model 3 becomes $35.5k after rebates and tax credit. With $10k+ saving on gas after 5 years, it’s pretty much $25k-car and lower to come. Beat that with your Camry.
You forgot to mention how high priced your insurance is, and I certainly hope the you have another vehicle available just in case you have to take your Model 3 in for service or repair.
Camry's never had those problems.
There's some maths associated with the propellant too. The Camry eats gasoline, the Tesla electrons, neither of which are free. Depending where you live, the electrons might be comparatively cheap or expensive. And the electrons may or may not have come from a renewable resource, so that's not really a factor (although the efficiency of doing so is.) Gasoline is available on about every street corner, consumable electrons not so much. Those batteries come an a cost in money and environmental factors too.
I do hope electric cars succeed. But we've gotten really good at making gasoline powered ones.
I think that the idea of BEV's is terrific, just that Tesla isn't necessarily going to be building the vehicle that I would want to purchase, mainly due to the large amount of anecdotal evidence of poor initial build, and really, really, shitty service and support. Throw in the fact that there is no, and never will be, a $35k Model 3. In fact, Tesla is actually suffering a demand problem for the Model 3 as we speak; not enough buyers for all of the currently available units. Given that the tax credits will halve by January, how many of those deposits will turn into actual sales?
Build me a BEV with the quality, maintainability, and sustainability of a Camry, and I'm more than happy to be a participant.
You have some pretty bold claims in there, with nary a single fact to back them up. Tesla actually has topped Consumer Reports customer satisfaction results for the last few years. Not likely if there were all these quality problems you cite. Demand for Model 3 is a problem? They sell every one they make and there's a 300k+ backlog of reservations. Your claim that there will never be a $35k Model 3 is yet another thing you just made up in your post without any evidence whatsoever. The average price of a new car sale in the US is over $33k, so the tax credit will have no impact.
Batteries are almost at parity with the cost of gasoline, and electricity is much more pervasive than gasoline stations. While not your claim, the assertion around pollution has been disproven time and time again. Even if you use COAL to generate the electricity for a BEV, it produces less overall greenhouse gas emissions than even the best ICE car. Go to https://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.php and pick your state to see by how much.
Tesla, as a young car manufacturer absolutely has challenges but not any of the ones you claim.
I hhope Tesla goes away before the iCar goes into production.
Well, then your hope really sucks because Tesla just like Apple is here to stay and thrive. Their cars drive like a dream. My $49k Model 3 becomes $35.5k after rebates and tax credit. With $10k+ saving on gas after 5 years, it’s pretty much $25k-car and lower to come. Beat that with your Camry.
You forgot to mention how high priced your insurance is, and I certainly hope the you have another vehicle available just in case you have to take your Model 3 in for service or repair.
Camry's never had those problems.
There's some maths associated with the propellant too. The Camry eats gasoline, the Tesla electrons, neither of which are free. Depending where you live, the electrons might be comparatively cheap or expensive. And the electrons may or may not have come from a renewable resource, so that's not really a factor (although the efficiency of doing so is.) Gasoline is available on about every street corner, consumable electrons not so much. Those batteries come an a cost in money and environmental factors too.
I do hope electric cars succeed. But we've gotten really good at making gasoline powered ones.
I think that the idea of BEV's is terrific, just that Tesla isn't necessarily going to be building the vehicle that I would want to purchase, mainly due to the large amount of anecdotal evidence of poor initial build, and really, really, shitty service and support. Throw in the fact that there is no, and never will be, a $35k Model 3. In fact, Tesla is actually suffering a demand problem for the Model 3 as we speak; not enough buyers for all of the currently available units. Given that the tax credits will halve by January, how many of those deposits will turn into actual sales?
Build me a BEV with the quality, maintainability, and sustainability of a Camry, and I'm more than happy to be a participant.
You have some pretty bold claims in there, with nary a single fact to back them up. Tesla actually has topped Consumer Reports customer satisfaction results for the last few years. Not likely if there were all these quality problems you cite. Demand for Model 3 is a problem? They sell every one they make and there's a 300k+ backlog of reservations. Your claim that there will never be a $35k Model 3 is yet another thing you just made up in your post without any evidence whatsoever. The average price of a new car sale in the US is over $33k, so the tax credit will have no impact.
Batteries are almost at parity with the cost of gasoline, and electricity is much more pervasive than gasoline stations. While not your claim, the assertion around pollution has been disproven time and time again. Even if you use COAL to generate the electricity for a BEV, it produces less overall greenhouse gas emissions than even the best ICE car. Go to https://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.php and pick your state to see by how much.
Tesla, as a young car manufacturer absolutely has challenges but not any of the ones you claim.
I agree that I haven't backed up these claims. There's literally too much supporting data; where would I start?
I'll start by giving you some links, and you then you can start looking for yourself.
Advice, stay away from the Tesla fan sites if you want accurate data; especially stay away from Electrek.co.
I hhope Tesla goes away before the iCar goes into production.
Well, then your hope really sucks because Tesla just like Apple is here to stay and thrive. Their cars drive like a dream. My $49k Model 3 becomes $35.5k after rebates and tax credit. With $10k+ saving on gas after 5 years, it’s pretty much $25k-car and lower to come. Beat that with your Camry.
You forgot to mention how high priced your insurance is, and I certainly hope the you have another vehicle available just in case you have to take your Model 3 in for service or repair.
Camry's never had those problems.
There's some maths associated with the propellant too. The Camry eats gasoline, the Tesla electrons, neither of which are free. Depending where you live, the electrons might be comparatively cheap or expensive. And the electrons may or may not have come from a renewable resource, so that's not really a factor (although the efficiency of doing so is.) Gasoline is available on about every street corner, consumable electrons not so much. Those batteries come an a cost in money and environmental factors too.
I do hope electric cars succeed. But we've gotten really good at making gasoline powered ones.
I think that the idea of BEV's is terrific, just that Tesla isn't necessarily going to be building the vehicle that I would want to purchase, mainly due to the large amount of anecdotal evidence of poor initial build, and really, really, shitty service and support. Throw in the fact that there is no, and never will be, a $35k Model 3. In fact, Tesla is actually suffering a demand problem for the Model 3 as we speak; not enough buyers for all of the currently available units. Given that the tax credits will halve by January, how many of those deposits will turn into actual sales?
Build me a BEV with the quality, maintainability, and sustainability of a Camry, and I'm more than happy to be a participant.
I don't drive but do spend a lot of time in a Hyundai Ioniq. It has free street charging, free passage on toll roads in my area, free street parking, no restrictions on entering certain cities when pollution levels are high. Lower taxes. Lower garage charges. The only noticeable downside (remember, this is from a passenger perspective only) is the weight. Being relatively light (for obvious reasons) you really notice the swaying if the car in high winds.
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Build me a BEV with the quality, maintainability, and sustainability of a Camry, and I'm more than happy to be a participant.
Batteries are almost at parity with the cost of gasoline, and electricity is much more pervasive than gasoline stations. While not your claim, the assertion around pollution has been disproven time and time again. Even if you use COAL to generate the electricity for a BEV, it produces less overall greenhouse gas emissions than even the best ICE car. Go to https://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_emissions.php and pick your state to see by how much.
Tesla, as a young car manufacturer absolutely has challenges but not any of the ones you claim.
I'll start by giving you some links, and you then you can start looking for yourself.
Advice, stay away from the Tesla fan sites if you want accurate data; especially stay away from Electrek.co.
https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer
https://twitter.com/TeslaCharts
https://twitter.com/markbspiegel
https://twitter.com/ShortingIsFun
The link above is has some video's of various parking lots throughout the U.S. stuffed with unsold Tesla's, especially Model 3's
As for your verbiage about batteries, I don't disagree. It's just that Tesla is selling shitty cars.
https://twitter.com/skabooshka
The guy who started it all, and then was doxed by Tesla fans;
Here's one of his last links;
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4188765-tesla-cars-baking-sun
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-tesla-model-3-for-35000-may-never-arrive-2018-5