<strong>make some sense in your next post, then come back to me</strong><hr></blockquote>
My posts make complete sense and have less spelling errors.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>so who exactly has to say it to make it from Apple? a spokesperson is not enough? it's enough for every other ****ing company</strong><hr></blockquote>
Joswiak is not a spokesperson for Apple. He is Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>on behalf of apple</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple never said Joswiak was speaking for them. Joswiak never said he was speaking for Apple.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>uh... where did it change?</strong><hr></blockquote>
When you changed your story from "Apple said..." to "Joswiak said..."
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>any dumbass can see he meant CPUs as in computers. Computers are very often called CPUs and in context it most certainly is referring to the overall computers. but of course you leave the rest out because it would show that:</strong><hr></blockquote>
I did not leave that part out. And yes, you are a dumbass, thanks for clarifying that part, as you see it this way. CPU can mean computer or Central Processing Unit. Also, Joswiak does not refer to the hardware as a CPU throughout the entire article. (Unless you count this part, when interpereted by a dumbass).
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>it's interesting you leave out the most important paragraph.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That paragraph is fluff by Jim Dalrymple (The guy who wrote the article), not quotes from Joswiak. Is Jim Dalrymple Apple? No.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>no where in the article is it saying there likely won't be. it is saying there won't be</strong><hr></blockquote>
He said nonsensical. That means it wouldn't make sense. As I have said...Apple has done quite a few things that haven't made sense at all. He does not say apple will not release new hardware.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>1.) yes it made perfect scense. how didn't it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
What is "scense"? And if you mean sense, it didn't make sense because it was too soon for Apple. But no one complained.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>2.) Apple never said they weren't going to do it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That wasn't my point.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>sorry but reading that article that's exactly what I get from it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He said nonsensical. That means it wouldn't make sense. As I have said...Apple has done quite a few things that haven't made sense at all. If you get that from it, you have problems.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>yea, of course.. because they were only the people who interviewed the guy. surely they need to speculate on the interview</strong><hr></blockquote>
That wasn't my point. My point was that they aren't Apple.
Spart, Greg works with every hardware team. He knows all release schedules and is always up to date on projects, so I doubt the PowerMac team is going to go behind his back, pull a fast one, and secretly announce the project is complete so Steve can show it off at Tokyo without Greg knowing it. That's like Steve keeping Phil Schiller out of the loop and then surprising him with, "Hey Phil! The new iMac is here! Surprise!"
I just don't think you understand how things work at Apple.
[quote] Joswiak is not a spokesperson for Apple. He is Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing. <hr></blockquote>
Well this is an interesting thought. Senior Director of Hardware Product Marketing and he's unable to speak on behalf of the company ? That's a little strange. Granted, the quote didn't come as press release direct from Apple, which gives some hope, but in reality i'll take his word and not expect anything at MWTK.
Well, I don't have a problem believing that there will be no new CPU or hardware or whatever, but I find it staggering that the Ti book is soon going to be a year old and unmodified. And that whit the competition now clocking more than 1000MHz higher.
Macintosh, this is about the 800th (give or take) thread you've started on the theme of "I think G5s will be released next week". You haven't one shred of evidence to support your contentions, just idle hope. I appreciate your tenacity, but give it a rest. You remind me of Annie: "Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you, tomorrow! You're always a day away!"
Apple (via Jozwiak) was quite blunt about MW Tokyo. Please believe them. Expect no significant computer hardware. Probably lots of cool software, but very little hardware. "No new CPUs" is a bit ambiguous (perhaps deliberately), since "CPU" is used to refer to the specific chip as well as the machine housing it. In my mind it would not preclude speed bumps in existing systems, but we can most certainly cross G5s off the list. The only new hardware we may see are a new iPod or other new "spokes" for their digital hubs.
MWNY is another story. Save your pennies for that one, because I'm expecting it to be pretty spectacular. I'm not planning on any significant (computer) hardware prior to then. There is a small chance they may change their minds and release something sooner, but the odds of that are about the same as "Disney buys Apple" being true.
<strong>apple comes out as blatantly as possible and says NO NEW HARDWARE. and you STILL don't believe them.
no hardware, get it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, he said no new CPUs. That should be clear an specific enough for anyone, but let's have a look:
"No new CPUs for some months", if it means anything at all, must at least mean 'no previously-unreleased CPU chips (ie, G5) @ MWT'. A slightly stricter, but reasonable, interpretation would also mean 'no new! improved! existing CPU chips' (MPC7456.5 on rye, .013 process, & hold the mayo....). A much sterner reading, but still defensible, would include 'no speed bumps on existing CPU chips'.
One could conceivably interpret "no new CPUs" as 'no new boxes containing CPU chips', but I think that's reaching. Joswiak's remarks came during rampant speculation that the G5 would appear @ MWT (you were here for that), and were intended to tone things down. I think it had the desired effect, because the conversation really cooled off fast after that. Further, I think he was being very specific (even (especially?) when he was vague), and that he meant exactly what he said.
Silly to assume that when he said CPUs he meant boxes, not chips - and that 'boxes' means ANY hardware at all.
My take is that he meant chips (>90%), and that he meant no G5 (100%), and he meant before midsummer (100%). He probably meant no re-fabbed G4 (80%), and he may (50%) have meant no speed bumps, but he definitelydid not say "no new hardware at all".
Expect to see some new displays and possibly a new higher capacity iPod.
Lots of OSX talk and 3rd party software developers on stage touting everything we heard already at MWSF.
You can read into the "no new CPU's " from different angles. But it's MacWorld Tokyo and I don't see any ground breaking announcements. If anything, it'll be a PB speed bump so let's not get ourselves all wet over this.
<strong>They re-announced the 500 MHz G4 in Tokyo as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm amazed at how short many people's memory is on this product, considering how long it was the mainstay of Apple's Power Mac lineup. The 500 MHz G4 shipped in quantity (and stayed shipping) starting in early February of 2000 - they were announced as "shipping again" at MWSF 2000. I oughta know -- I ordered one the minute they were announced, and received it about a week later.
As for MWTY, Macintosh is right only in the sense that Apple has nothing holding them back (in a legal or business sense) from releasing new hardware at any time. What they said to MacCentral *should* be taken as a likely sign there *won't* be any new hardware, but it has absolutely no binding effect on Apple. They can do whatever the hell they want, should more higher MHz parts become available, a new mobo be ready, etc.
They said what they said for two reasons and two reasons only: to cool down all the ridiculous speculation about the G5, and by extension, to make sure their new offerings sell as well as possible, for as long as possible. Pretty simple really.
<strong>I think new displays are a good bet. The oft-rumored 19" LCD has yet to show up, and the current display promotion expires at the end of March.
Personally, I'm taking Apple at its word with regards to the "no updates to the quadrants at MWTY" statement.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Promotions are the best way to predict Apples movements. The chances are we'll be seeing new screens at MWTK, but there are promotions on Powerbooks and iBooks too which does imply channel clearance.
I'm hoping for a TiBook speedbump to compete with the iMac - after all, the Powerbook shouldn't really be out performed by a consumer system.
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<strong>He said it a while ago. Everything is circumstantial. If Apple has no iMacs to sell, they have to sell something else.
I think there is a possibility of updated hardware at Macworld Tokyo.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hooray for logic!
<strong>make some sense in your next post, then come back to me</strong><hr></blockquote>
My posts make complete sense and have less spelling errors.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>so who exactly has to say it to make it from Apple? a spokesperson is not enough? it's enough for every other ****ing company</strong><hr></blockquote>
Joswiak is not a spokesperson for Apple. He is Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>on behalf of apple</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple never said Joswiak was speaking for them. Joswiak never said he was speaking for Apple.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>uh... where did it change?</strong><hr></blockquote>
When you changed your story from "Apple said..." to "Joswiak said..."
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>any dumbass can see he meant CPUs as in computers. Computers are very often called CPUs and in context it most certainly is referring to the overall computers. but of course you leave the rest out because it would show that:</strong><hr></blockquote>
I did not leave that part out. And yes, you are a dumbass, thanks for clarifying that part, as you see it this way. CPU can mean computer or Central Processing Unit. Also, Joswiak does not refer to the hardware as a CPU throughout the entire article. (Unless you count this part, when interpereted by a dumbass).
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>it's interesting you leave out the most important paragraph.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That paragraph is fluff by Jim Dalrymple (The guy who wrote the article), not quotes from Joswiak. Is Jim Dalrymple Apple? No.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>no where in the article is it saying there likely won't be. it is saying there won't be</strong><hr></blockquote>
He said nonsensical. That means it wouldn't make sense. As I have said...Apple has done quite a few things that haven't made sense at all. He does not say apple will not release new hardware.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>1.) yes it made perfect scense. how didn't it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
What is "scense"? And if you mean sense, it didn't make sense because it was too soon for Apple. But no one complained.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>2.) Apple never said they weren't going to do it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That wasn't my point.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>sorry but reading that article that's exactly what I get from it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He said nonsensical. That means it wouldn't make sense. As I have said...Apple has done quite a few things that haven't made sense at all. If you get that from it, you have problems.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>yea, of course.. because they were only the people who interviewed the guy. surely they need to speculate on the interview</strong><hr></blockquote>
That wasn't my point. My point was that they aren't Apple.
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This is my new all-time favorite FH thread.
I just don't think you understand how things work at Apple.
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Well this is an interesting thought. Senior Director of Hardware Product Marketing and he's unable to speak on behalf of the company ? That's a little strange. Granted, the quote didn't come as press release direct from Apple, which gives some hope, but in reality i'll take his word and not expect anything at MWTK.
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
This is my new all-time favorite FH thread.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Tru Dat. You should also check out:
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001394"; target="_blank">Powerbook G4- The Future</a>
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Apple (via Jozwiak) was quite blunt about MW Tokyo. Please believe them. Expect no significant computer hardware. Probably lots of cool software, but very little hardware. "No new CPUs" is a bit ambiguous (perhaps deliberately), since "CPU" is used to refer to the specific chip as well as the machine housing it. In my mind it would not preclude speed bumps in existing systems, but we can most certainly cross G5s off the list. The only new hardware we may see are a new iPod or other new "spokes" for their digital hubs.
MWNY is another story. Save your pennies for that one, because I'm expecting it to be pretty spectacular. I'm not planning on any significant (computer) hardware prior to then. There is a small chance they may change their minds and release something sooner, but the odds of that are about the same as "Disney buys Apple" being true.
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<strong>apple comes out as blatantly as possible and says NO NEW HARDWARE. and you STILL don't believe them.
no hardware, get it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, he said no new CPUs. That should be clear an specific enough for anyone, but let's have a look:
"No new CPUs for some months", if it means anything at all, must at least mean 'no previously-unreleased CPU chips (ie, G5) @ MWT'. A slightly stricter, but reasonable, interpretation would also mean 'no new! improved! existing CPU chips' (MPC7456.5 on rye, .013 process, & hold the mayo....). A much sterner reading, but still defensible, would include 'no speed bumps on existing CPU chips'.
One could conceivably interpret "no new CPUs" as 'no new boxes containing CPU chips', but I think that's reaching. Joswiak's remarks came during rampant speculation that the G5 would appear @ MWT (you were here for that), and were intended to tone things down. I think it had the desired effect, because the conversation really cooled off fast after that. Further, I think he was being very specific (even (especially?) when he was vague), and that he meant exactly what he said.
Silly to assume that when he said CPUs he meant boxes, not chips - and that 'boxes' means ANY hardware at all.
My take is that he meant chips (>90%), and that he meant no G5 (100%), and he meant before midsummer (100%). He probably meant no re-fabbed G4 (80%), and he may (50%) have meant no speed bumps, but he definitely did not say "no new hardware at all".
Just a feeling I have. No evidence or anything like that. Just a feeling. I sense a tremor in The Force.
Oh, and "CPU" = "Colorful Penguin Underwear," so, "no new CPUs" doesn't count the G6 out at all.
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if the speedbump is more than little i a will not be worry indeed
Dr. L
Lots of OSX talk and 3rd party software developers on stage touting everything we heard already at MWSF.
You can read into the "no new CPU's " from different angles. But it's MacWorld Tokyo and I don't see any ground breaking announcements. If anything, it'll be a PB speed bump so let's not get ourselves all wet over this.
<strong>They re-announced the 500 MHz G4 in Tokyo as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm amazed at how short many people's memory is on this product, considering how long it was the mainstay of Apple's Power Mac lineup. The 500 MHz G4 shipped in quantity (and stayed shipping) starting in early February of 2000 - they were announced as "shipping again" at MWSF 2000. I oughta know -- I ordered one the minute they were announced, and received it about a week later.
As for MWTY, Macintosh is right only in the sense that Apple has nothing holding them back (in a legal or business sense) from releasing new hardware at any time. What they said to MacCentral *should* be taken as a likely sign there *won't* be any new hardware, but it has absolutely no binding effect on Apple. They can do whatever the hell they want, should more higher MHz parts become available, a new mobo be ready, etc.
They said what they said for two reasons and two reasons only: to cool down all the ridiculous speculation about the G5, and by extension, to make sure their new offerings sell as well as possible, for as long as possible. Pretty simple really.
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Personally, I'm taking Apple at its word with regards to the "no updates to the quadrants at MWTY" statement.
17,19 & 22" LCD's
Faster Ti- books
10.1.4
Nothing else 'till MWNY.
<strong>
Macintosh, just give your prick a name : G5</strong><hr></blockquote>
what? supposed to be really big and super but no one ever sees it?
har har har
<strong>I think new displays are a good bet. The oft-rumored 19" LCD has yet to show up, and the current display promotion expires at the end of March.
Personally, I'm taking Apple at its word with regards to the "no updates to the quadrants at MWTY" statement.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Promotions are the best way to predict Apples movements. The chances are we'll be seeing new screens at MWTK, but there are promotions on Powerbooks and iBooks too which does imply channel clearance.
I'm hoping for a TiBook speedbump to compete with the iMac - after all, the Powerbook shouldn't really be out performed by a consumer system.
800 & 933 would be nice.