Maybe Facebook should stop supporting iOS altogether. No Facebook app for you, Apple. What Zuck is asking is quite ridiculous as plenty of those executives would be unhappy to switch to Android OS if they're already in the iPhone ecosystem. The things Tim Cook is saying about Facebook certainly isn't untrue so Zuckerberg shouldn't be taking offense.
Yes, don't use an iPhone, use an insecure Android device to match our FaceBook service.
Beautiful ! LOL... and I wonder how Mr. Zuckerberg would like it if iPhone users deleted their facebook accounts in very large numbers... ? After all, nobody really needs facebook when you think about it.
Despite that viewpoint, we use Facebook as part of our marketing and customer engagement. On that front, it's very successful, for us as a small business. Beats all other platforms available. We need to go to where people are, and can't expect them to come to us.
I guess Zuckerberg should also do away with the MacBook Pro he's been using and demand that all the Macs being used at FB's headquarters in Menlo Park be removed as well.
I'm sure he knows how much ad revenue he makes from iOS users.
Absolutely he and everybody else have a responsibility to finger those who are harvesting our data for profit. Zuckerberg is even harvesting data on non users... why, because he can and it makes him money. He’ll say that Apple is just being elitist because it’s users can afford its expensive devices and don’t need to be subsidized by “free” software like Facebook and Android which harvest your data instead. What he is really saying is, Facebook is taking advantage of those who can least afford (or have little understanding) to avoid a deep and aggressive exploitation of their data trail. FB has turned freedom from personal data exploitation into a luxury.
We need regulation on data privacy yesterday... this won’t stop until we do. It’s too profitable. Facebook is on a tear to exploit the undeveloped world where many think Facebook is the phone OS it’s so universally relied on. Credit to Apple that they haven’t succumbed and are taking a stand.
Great post. I love when someone comes along and recasts an issue to shine light on what’s really happening. And you just did so, succinctly.
Maybe Facebook should stop supporting iOS altogether. No Facebook app for you, Apple. What Zuck is asking is quite ridiculous as plenty of those executives would be unhappy to switch to Android OS if they're already in the iPhone ecosystem. The things Tim Cook is saying about Facebook certainly isn't untrue so Zuckerberg shouldn't be taking offense.
——————— To: Management team
Shoot that messenger, and stop using his hardware! - Zuck
Targeted advertising is nothing new, so not sure why you're upset.
Except it’s not about “targeted advertising.” People aren’t up in arms about that—they’re incensed by the way the advertising tools were used and abused and Facebook’s unwillingness to even look at it till it became a PR issue for them. PBS just ran a two-part story about FB on Frontline and The New York Times published a piece about what happened today: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/technology/facebook-data-russia-election-racism.html
The reality is Facebook is far beyond “targeted ads” and it’s disengenious to suggest as much.
Maybe you didn’t read the comment I was replying to. They said, “Even then, I get ads from places that FB should have no idea about.” which is literally targeted advertising by definition.
Does anyone you know actually have a FB app of any sort installed on their phone, Apple or otherwise?
If I have to go there for some family thing, I use a browser.
I use a FB container in Firefox to visit that site. Even then, I get ads from places that FB should have no idea about.
Scum.
I don't have it on my phone. I don't really have any social media apps on my phone as I don't use them enough to warranty needing the app.
That being said, if even half (hell even a quarter) of iPhone users deleted the FaceBook app off their iPhone FaceBook would shit themselves.
Absolutely he and everybody else have a responsibility to finger those who are harvesting our data for profit. Zuckerberg is even harvesting data on non users... why, because he can and it makes him money. He’ll say that Apple is just being elitist because it’s users can afford its expensive devices and don’t need to be subsidized by “free” software like Facebook and Android which harvest your data instead. What he is really saying is, Facebook is taking advantage of those who can least afford (or have little understanding) to avoid a deep and aggressive exploitation of their data trail. FB has turned freedom from personal data exploitation into a luxury.
We need regulation on data privacy yesterday... this won’t stop until we do. It’s too profitable. Facebook is on a tear to exploit the undeveloped world where many think Facebook is the phone OS it’s so universally relied on. Credit to Apple that they haven’t succumbed and are taking a stand.
I find interesting how you criticize FB for harvesting users data, and at the same time mention how Apple "haven’t succumbed and are taking a stand.", when Google pays them $9B to keep Google Search the default search engine. Don't you think that if Apple is really taking a stand, as you said, they would reject Google offer and use another search engine with a better privacy record?
Tim Cook has right to brag about Apple's Privacy stand and implementation in
it's products but no need to point finger against others in
neighborhood(silicon valley) if they come short on privacy. Facebook's
bad karma will teach Mark lesson to fix Privacy problems as customers raise
their voice against shortcomings..
There's a history of failed companies who believed that "the better product will win".
Bad Karma is not a strategy, and you don't want to win customers just because the other guys' products are bad, but because yours are better.
If you want to win because your products are better, that isn't enough, you have to actively tell people why they're better. That means explaining that other companies in the neighborhood come up short.
Wonder if it is possible to also get Definer like companies to circulate rumors and "articles" about supply chain cuts or soft product demand in order to get back at a company.
Down with Facebook, I never had an account, never required it, divorced a wife over it and to hell with facebook. In the famous words of Jim Carrey who just pitched in about Mark and it's FaceBook operation.... 01000110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00101110 00100000 00001101 00001010
Absolutely he and everybody else have a responsibility to finger those who are harvesting our data for profit. Zuckerberg is even harvesting data on non users... why, because he can and it makes him money. He’ll say that Apple is just being elitist because it’s users can afford its expensive devices and don’t need to be subsidized by “free” software like Facebook and Android which harvest your data instead. What he is really saying is, Facebook is taking advantage of those who can least afford (or have little understanding) to avoid a deep and aggressive exploitation of their data trail. FB has turned freedom from personal data exploitation into a luxury.
We need regulation on data privacy yesterday... this won’t stop until we do. It’s too profitable. Facebook is on a tear to exploit the undeveloped world where many think Facebook is the phone OS it’s so universally relied on. Credit to Apple that they haven’t succumbed and are taking a stand.
I find interesting how you criticize FB for harvesting users data, and at the same time mention how Apple "haven’t succumbed and are taking a stand.", when Google pays them $9B to keep Google Search the default search engine. Don't you think that if Apple is really taking a stand, as you said, they would reject Google offer and use another search engine with a better privacy record?
The whole privacy thing isn't working out for Apple. If people really cared Android would be nowhere.. and google search and facebook would be defunct.
Absolutely he and everybody else have a responsibility to finger those who are harvesting our data for profit. Zuckerberg is even harvesting data on non users... why, because he can and it makes him money. He’ll say that Apple is just being elitist because it’s users can afford its expensive devices and don’t need to be subsidized by “free” software like Facebook and Android which harvest your data instead. What he is really saying is, Facebook is taking advantage of those who can least afford (or have little understanding) to avoid a deep and aggressive exploitation of their data trail. FB has turned freedom from personal data exploitation into a luxury.
We need regulation on data privacy yesterday... this won’t stop until we do. It’s too profitable. Facebook is on a tear to exploit the undeveloped world where many think Facebook is the phone OS it’s so universally relied on. Credit to Apple that they haven’t succumbed and are taking a stand.
I find interesting how you criticize FB for harvesting users data, and at the same time mention how Apple "haven’t succumbed and are taking a stand.", when Google pays them $9B to keep Google Search the default search engine. Don't you think that if Apple is really taking a stand, as you said, they would reject Google offer and use another search engine with a better privacy record?
You know that you do have a choice, right? And, if you chose not to exercise that choice, you -- and others like you -- deserve what you get?
Yo know who have a choice too? Apple. And they decided to use Google as default for Safari in iOS or macOS. And here is were things get confusing. You have this company (Apple) who take a "serious stance" with privacy, and at the same time takes $9B from a company (Google) with privacy issues. Does it makes sense to you what Apple is doing from a privacy POV?
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Despite that viewpoint, we use Facebook as part of our marketing and customer engagement. On that front, it's very successful, for us as a small business. Beats all other platforms available. We need to go to where people are, and can't expect them to come to us.
What took you so long?
To: Management team
Shoot that messenger, and stop using his hardware!
- Zuck
sent from my iPhone
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That being said, if even half (hell even a quarter) of iPhone users deleted the FaceBook app off their iPhone FaceBook would shit themselves.
You mean how I always switch my default search engines to Duck Duck Go?
There's a history of failed companies who believed that "the better product will win".
Bad Karma is not a strategy, and you don't want to win customers just because the other guys' products are bad, but because yours are better.
If you want to win because your products are better, that isn't enough, you have to actively tell people why they're better. That means explaining that other companies in the neighborhood come up short.
"... a staunch supporter." Ones stanches a hemorrhage ... or the flow of personal data to Facebook.