Apple plasters privacy ad on billboard near Las Vegas Convention Center ahead of CES

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  • Reply 41 of 90
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    Then why when I opened my new XR was my wife's 
    cloud, iTunes, maps, Paypal account etc and who knows what else
    all over my phone ?
    It even says "Hi Barbara Lawler"
    Is that supposed to be Smart.
    It's OK now;
    but if I was in a bad relationship  ????????????????????? 
    Because you snooped through her iPhone. None of that info left her iPhone. It was obviously her iCloud and she set up the iPhone.

    "What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone"

    What part don't you understand? 
    edited January 2019 StrangeDaysradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 42 of 90
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    AcT3 said:
    Stupid slogan. iPhone is a media device that sends and receives.  What is on an iPhone doesn't stay on the iPhone if you text, use twitter, facebook, search google, send emails, etc.... 
    Facebook isn't an iPhone.....

    Horseradish is not an iPhone either. 
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 43 of 90
    cornchip said:
    ...Apple allows you to opt out...
    Wow! How big of them to *ALLOW* opt out, if you can figure out how... What about only violating privacy of users only if they opt *IN* ? Novel concept?
    It *is* opt-in. iCloud Photo Sharing is switched off by default.

    Don't you feel silly about your sarcastic faux outrage now?
    cornchipradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 44 of 90
    Then why when I opened my new XR was my wife's 
    cloud, iTunes, maps, Paypal account etc and who knows what else
    all over my phone ?
    It even says "Hi Barbara Lawler"
    Is that supposed to be Smart.
    It's OK now;
    but if I was in a bad relationship  ????????????????????? 
    Why? Because whoever activated the phone obviously entered your wife's iCloud credentials. There's simply no other way for that to occur.

    It doesn't seem fair to be mad at Apple for a feature most of us VERY much appreciate -- a system that mostly restores itself when you replace the hardware -- particularly when the only way it could happen is user error.
    StrangeDaysradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 45 of 90
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,189member
    k2kw said:
    And all the while Apple is acting as my agent to buy out any of my partners (co-owners of Apple) who don’t have the confidence in the company’s future I have and Apple management has.  Thank you Apple.  I’m happy owning a larger and larger share of the company’s future earnings.  Every quarter my percentage ownership goes up.  And while the stock price falls on fear, uncertainty and doubt, Apple has just told us that, even with a year-over-year drop in revenues, the company will report its highest ever earnings per share this quarter.  And that reduced share count will yield similar results long into the future; it’s not merely a one-time effect.  
    I think Apple should have spent more of that money to acquire HERE Maps 5 years ago, SONOS a few years ago, and Canon now, along with a lot more money into Solid State Battery research.    I would hate to see Apple having to pay LG, Samsung, or Panasonic for the technology when it comes along.    I would much rather Apple be the first two to three years ahead (Edit2: ago) with the Technology.   And of Course Apple should have been putting BILLIONS into fixing SIRI half a decade ago.


    Edit: if they were going to drop QualComm they should have also invested in designing and manufacturing their own modems 5 years ago too.
    That sure is a lot of investment you are expecting them to do. You make it sound so simple. I mean, it’s amazing they had never thought of doing such things. Can you please explain your logic that a company should invest in and buy up everything? Can you name me one example in which a company being run like you suggested survives to see the fruits of their labour? 
    They're what you call an armchair executive...you know, someone who THINKS they know how to run Apple, a multi-BILLION company better than the people actually doing it who made it into a multi-BILLION dollar company. Everything always sounds easy sitting in your home office chair commenting on how Apple would have been better off doing this and that, usually playing Monday Morning Quarterback to make it sound like they know what the hell they're talking about. 
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 46 of 90
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,189member
    tyler82 said:
    This is not true and could be the basis of a class action lawsuit against Apple. Sure they value privacy more than most, but if any time in the future any of the data on our phones gets exfiltrated without our consent, then Apple is straight up lying or straight up arrogant. It is irresponsible on Apple's part. They should instead be educating their users about how best to secure their data instead of saying "just trust us and don't worry about anything."
    How is it not true? Please explain with citations. So it's not true because "maybe" in the future Apple will let something slip through? You can educate users all you want, but if Apple doesn't do their part it doesn't matter what consumers do. 

    Sure, Apps slip through every once in a while and when they're caught the app is pretty much immediately taken off the store until its fixed and if need be, Apple can drop the hammer and remove it off everyone's phone as well. 
    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 47 of 90
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,189member

    AcT3 said:
    Stupid slogan. iPhone is a media device that sends and receives.  What is on an iPhone doesn't stay on the iPhone if you text, use twitter, facebook, search google, send emails, etc.... 
    Go use an Android phone for a while with Google services...you'll find out really quickly! 
    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 48 of 90
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,751member
    robbyx said:
    I assume you're just trolling, but I'm going to ask a serious question.  Is there a better solution on another platform?  Does any other platform offer desktop, cloud, and mobile apps that sync images and edits between them?
    Nope, not just trolling. Once upon a time, I had my photos nicely organized in iPhoto until Apple ruined it. I had hoped their cloud/sync service would be usable, but it really wasn't. Then I had hoped that years later, they'd have made it more usable. It just isn't designed for modern devices with limited storage.

    From what I've read, Google's service is much better (but who'd put their photos on Google?). And, Dropbox was once looking promising with Carousel (before they canned it). That's why I said to just turn it all off and await someone to do it right. Nope, as far as I can tell, no one has a good photo management service, at least not one that is trustable.

    I just use a folder structure now, sadly. At least I've got them if one day someone makes something usable again.

    mr lizard said:
    Apple’s by far a world leader compared to other tech companies when it comes to privacy. But what happens on your iPhone doesn’t stay on your iPhone, unless you don’t use iCloud and don’t use third party apps. 
    Exactly.

    mr lizard said:
    Apple markets apps in its own App Store which collect and process data, sometimes in ways which aren’t clear to the user (there’s a company called Facebook which comes to mind).
    Yeah, I was just listening to a report today telling how apps like Kayak send anything they can discover about you to FB, whether you have a FB account or not. Hundreds of apps do this. They were even laughing that a KJV Bible app sends FB what verses you've read.

    Folio said:
    That said, as company gets further into ad supported services, things like default settings and deals w third parties get more complex. My hope is some independent groups annually rate big tech companies on privacy and security.
    Yep, I'll bet we see that in the future if Apple keeps going the way it has been. They are getting more and more typical corporate, and less and less idealists. I'm sure privacy will be a big thing for them... until it isn't. Then we'll be gobsmacked by some headline about how Apple gave access to/sold the data of billions of users to xyz. I don't think Tim is a man of principal like Jobs seemed to be, and he'll hold his finger to the Wall Street wind as he guides Apple.

    iou12 said:
    This sign does not apply to any citizen in China or any Criminal in USA. A better sign would say 'Whats in your wallet', as my wallet is very full since I only use Androids
    Well, and I guess my fear is when it becomes 'criminal' not criminal... as in someone not conforming with expected behavior and thought.

    ericthehalfbee said:
    It’s that Apple doesn’t rely on your data as their source of income (like Google and Facebook do).
    Yet.

    I love to hear how Apple is standing up to China and refusing to afford their government surreptitious access to Apple devices!
    Yep, and that's the point. This privacy thing with Apple, despite what Cook says, isn't some core ideology or moral precept. It's currently pop marketing in the USA, so why not use it? China proves that when push comes to shove (or $$$ are on the line), Apple won't have your back anymore.

    christopher126 said:
    But I prefer Apple's approach over Facebook's. 
    Kind of like preferring to sit in a nice coffee shop rather than the sewer? That Apple is better than Facebag isn't a huge comfort.

    christopher126 said:
    I remember Stevo saying Facebook's conditions were "onerous." 
    I wonder if Stevo knew who Eric Schmidt really was? Onerous would be a mild term. :scream: 
  • Reply 49 of 90
    If any company is serious about security and privacy, their products should default to those most secure settings until the user decides to change them. And that task should be dead simple: a toggle to complete privacy/full open sharing and individual component toggles as needed. The very fact that Apple plasters such a statement is because the defaults are exposure oriented and most sheeple just don't know to change anything. And the change-process is intricate and tedious, i.e. from the mind of a techie not an everyday user. In fact the ad is a lie; to be truthful it should add the caveat "if you set it up that way and then don't change it later and forget what you've done".
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 50 of 90
    If any company is serious about security and privacy, their products should default to those most secure settings until the user decides to change them. And that task should be dead simple: a toggle to complete privacy/full open sharing and individual component toggles as needed. The very fact that Apple plasters such a statement is because the defaults are exposure oriented and most sheeple just don't know to change anything. And the change-process is intricate and tedious, i.e. from the mind of a techie not an everyday user. In fact the ad is a lie; to be truthful it should add the caveat "if you set it up that way and then don't change it later and forget what you've done".
    I agree that the process of turning off all the invasive aspects of apps like Facebook and LinkedIn is tedious. Can you suggest an operating system that makes that task easier than iOS?
    cornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 90
    m0zonem0zone Posts: 2unconfirmed, member
    yes unless you live in china and apple will hand you over to die in speed of light ...in america its good PR to virtue signal   ...Chinese death squads love apple 
    Jay_B_Terclingermuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 52 of 90
    Apple bragging about iPhone privacy?

     Apple handed over the administration of their Chinese iCloud server to the proudly-communist Chinese government. "Don't worry" they chirped to hundreds of millions of heavily surveilled Chinese, "you can trust us when we say 'your insanely oppressive, tyrannical government doesn't have the keys!"'

    Whoops!
    http://appleinsider.com/articles/18/07/18/chinese-icloud-data-moved-to-servers-operated-by-state-owned-telco

     Meanwhile Tim Cook fundraiser for the censorious far-Left SPLC and ADL, and gleefully accepts an award for participating with his fellow FAAGTYs in the simultaneous and complete deplatforming of social media critic (and long-time privacy advocate) Alex Jones ("oh, but Jones is mean!").

    All while leaving anti-American, anti-Israel, Jew-and-Christian-baiting Louis Farrakhan free to incite millions on Apple's iTunes.

     How can anyone committed to freedom take seriously any claims Tim Cook makes about iPhone users' privacy?
    edited January 2019 cornchipcgWerksmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 53 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member
    k2kw said:
    That is a brilliant ad, and a great play on the Vegas slogan. No doubt this is going to piss off a lot of people.
    No most people will shrug it off.   Apple has been sounding like they are running around saying “The sky is falling.   The sky is falling” when it’s only the price of Apple Stock falling.
    What on earth are you talking about? Privacy is indeed a feature and Apple has it, of course they should mention it. If you’re not concerned about Facebook and Google data exposures, you haven’t been paying attention. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 54 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member

    cornchip said:
    ... except whatever you ask Siri... 

    Just playing GG’s advocate here, but i get that Apple allows you to opt out of all the iCloud connected features if you want, but for most people, that isn’t actually reality.
    Siri requests are still conducting using tokens for privacy.
    cornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 55 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member
    jbeez17 said:
    The time is coming...Apple relied on their laurels where they’re the hardware company that trumps(no pun intended) all. They simply are not that company anymore. Now don’t get me wrong I like my iPhone and Watch. Macbooks are quite crappy now and overpriced. The new iPad Pro is gorgeous but seriously $1000 for 64GB for 12.9?? Joke!! Sorry folks, they’re pricing the average person out their products that do anything more. 
    Sorry bullshit on your part. If you don’t need a top-tier ipad pro, get the entry level at $329. Oops. So much for your narrative.
    cornchipradarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 56 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member
    cgWerks said:
    "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone.*"

    * So long as you don't reside in China, aren't too conservative in your political leanings, the USA doesn't change policy, or said privacy policy ceases to become a big enough marketing advantage in the particular market in which you reside, etc.
    What on earth are you imagining? Apple devices don’t discriminate against conservatives, that’s nutters. Alex Jones violated policy and was escorted off of a private app store, as is their right to do (the same right Jones cites in his own web forum policy).
    radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 57 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member
    cgWerks said:
    sfolax said:
    That is a brilliant ad, and a great play on the Vegas slogan. No doubt this is going to piss off a lot of people.
    No, it's quite wrong actually.

    There are many people that take photos while doing naughty things, only to have it pop up on the Apple TV screen saver at home a few seconds later.
    Did you say at home?  Did you forget to say this is under the user’s control?  But...  sorry that happened to you.  
    Oh my, heh... given my understanding about how Apple's lame photo sharing solutions work (by default, even?), I can actually see how this kind of thing (and others) could happen.
    Just turn it all off, and hope some day a real photo management solution comes along from someone. :disappointed: 
    Dearie, you try too hard. Really. There is no shameful Apple shortcoming in their sharing feature.. Rather, if you turn on the screensaver that says “use my unhidden photos from my iphone”, they show up. As requested.
    cornchipradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 58 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member
    robbyx said:

    cgWerks said:
    sfolax said:
    That is a brilliant ad, and a great play on the Vegas slogan. No doubt this is going to piss off a lot of people.
    No, it's quite wrong actually.

    There are many people that take photos while doing naughty things, only to have it pop up on the Apple TV screen saver at home a few seconds later.
    Did you say at home?  Did you forget to say this is under the user’s control?  But...  sorry that happened to you.  
    Oh my, heh... given my understanding about how Apple's lame photo sharing solutions work (by default, even?), I can actually see how this kind of thing (and others) could happen.
    Just turn it all off, and hope some day a real photo management solution comes along from someone. :disappointed: 
    I assume you're just trolling, but I'm going to ask a serious question.  Is there a better solution on another platform?  Does any other platform offer desktop, cloud, and mobile apps that sync images and edits between them?
    Indeed he is a troll, of the old timer “Apple used to be better in my day!” sort. Ignoring that today’s Apple ships to far more customers and the devices are far more capable. These types are eager to hunt for any perceived indicators or slippage so they can validate that “things were better, then”. It’s a disorder of some sort.
    cornchipradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 59 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member
    jfpetey said:
    Oh you mean th bullshit story that was made up without any evidence and denied by everyone involved, including the only named secure expert source? 

    Welcome to 2018.
    cornchipradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 60 of 90
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,764member
    iou12 said:
    This sign does not apply to any citizen in China or any Criminal in USA. A better sign would say 'Whats in your wallet', as my wallet is very full since I only use Androids
    Yes it does. iCloud data handovers to the govt happen legally and involve cloud storage. Turn off cloud features and iPhone is much more secure than your crappy knockoffs. That’s why the FBI wants a back door to iPhone. They don’t care about your knockoff brands because they’re already vulnerable to inspection.
    cornchipradarthekatwatto_cobrajony0
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