Huawei cloning Apple parts, rewarding employees for tech theft

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China's Huawei uses "dubious" tactics to try to reverse engineer technology from Apple and other competitors in the electronics market, a report charged on Monday.

Huawei MateBook Pro X


In November, for example, a Huawei engineer heading up smartwatch development tracked down a supplier that helps build the Apple Watch's heart rate sensor, The Information said. The person arranged a meeting with the claim he could offer a manufacturing contract, but instead probed for details about the Apple Watch, an anonymous executive at the supplier said.

The engineer was accompanied by four researchers, and together the group is said to have spent an hour and a half asking about the Watch. With nothing given Huawei went silent.

Huawei has reportedly used similar tactics against companies like Cisco, Motorola, and Akhan Semiconductor. The U.S. Justice Department in fact claims that Huawei has a program that rewards employees for stealing data, with better bonuses based on how confidential information is.

An earlier Apple-related incident, according to one source, involved Huawei copying a 2016 connector design used to make the MacBook Pro hinge thinner while linking the display to the logic board. A similar component then appeared in Huawei's 2018 MateBook Pro, something achieved by shopping Apple's schematic around to various suppliers -- most of which recognized the design and refused to build it. Eventually the company found a willing partner.

Another alleged tactic is talking to people who formerly worked with Apple or its supply chain. In one case, a person interviewed with Huawei immediately after leaving Apple, only to be repeatedly asked about upcoming products and features. They refused and stopped taking interviews.

"It was clear they were more interested in trying to learn about Apple than they were in hiring me," the person explained.

Huawei has become the center of a maelstrom surrounding the Chinese government's business policies. The company is believed to have government ties, which has led to calls in the U.S. and elsewhere to ban it from supplying 5G infrastructure. Chinese operatives have regularly conducted cyber attacks in the U.S.

Huawei and its CFO, Wanzhou Meng, were recently hit with a barrage of U.S. charges accusing it of bank fraud, wire fraud, violations of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Theft of trade secrets is another item on the docket, though mostly because of a 2013 incident related to a T-Mobile phone-testing robot.

Legal action has only worsened relations between the two countries, which are in the middle of a trade war initiated by U.S. President Donald Trump. Among other demands, Trump has called on China to better protect the intellectual property of foreign firms.
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  • Reply 1 of 132
    Joe ArredondoJoe Arredondo Posts: 1unconfirmed, member
    At least the Chinesse realize they dont have what is required to create such amazing products and they are trying to learn how to make it... is bad but you have to learn somewere.... Apple need to protect better its investments
  • Reply 2 of 132
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,372member
    No different to Google really, didn't those programmers that created Android v2 (i.e. the one they rushed out to copy iOS after they dropped their Blackberry knock off) get paid?  Those programmers being paid was a reward for tech theft just as much.
    radarthekatjahbladeAppleExposedmejsriccornchipGeorgeBMacmagman1979lolliverlkruppchasm
  • Reply 3 of 132
    At least the Chinesse realize they dont have what is required to create such amazing products and they are trying to learn how to make it... is bad but you have to learn somewere.... Apple need to protect better its investments
    And people should stop patronizing the copycat manufacturers.  I’m looking at you Huawei, Samsung, etc.  
    racerhomie3albegarcmwhiteagilealtituderadarthekatjahblademacseekerAppleExposedmagman1979lolliver
  • Reply 4 of 132
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,754member
    MacPro said:
    No different to Google really, didn't those programmers that created Android v2 (i.e. the one they rushed out to copy iOS after they dropped their Blackberry knock off) get paid?  Those programmers being paid was a reward for tech theft just as much.
    Exactly. Huawei is copying everyone. They are the new Samsung. Samsung copied everyone for many years. Android is unabashed copy. Windows was a copy of MacOS. Sure, Huawei is a little more James Bond about it, but Apple has been the target of IP theft for decades. 

    It's always made me laugh when the haters bash everything Apple and then use clones of Apple products. It's like they are trying to clown themselves. 
    genovelleleavingthebiggradarthekatjahblademacseekerAppleExposedpatchythepiratemejsricGeorgeBMacsuperkloton
  • Reply 5 of 132
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,011member
    This is huge problem in past and still going on. Mr. Trump and rest of World leaders, please stop these Chinese theft of tech and there desire to succeed in market place at the cost of others. Best, stop letting Huawei selling any product in rest of world. Stealing,copying,hacking,etc of others products in China is normal, past time.
    edited February 18 AppleExposedpatchythepiratemagman1979watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 132
    Curious what operating system they are using?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 132
    jimh2jimh2 Posts: 174member
    tulkas said:
    MacPro said:
    No different to Google really, didn't those programmers that created Android v2 (i.e. the one they rushed out to copy iOS after they dropped their Blackberry knock off) get paid?  Those programmers being paid was a reward for tech theft just as much.
    Exactly. Huawei is copying everyone. They are the new Samsung. Samsung copied everyone for many years. Android is unabashed copy. Windows was a copy of MacOS. Sure, Huawei is a little more James Bond about it, but Apple has been the target of IP theft for decades. 

    It's always made me laugh when the haters bash everything Apple and then use clones of Apple products. It's like they are trying to clown themselves. 
    You can't compare kind of copying the ideas behind software to the blatant copy of the hardware component.
  • Reply 8 of 132
    tulkas said:

    It's always made me laugh when the haters bash everything Apple and then use clones of Apple products. It's like they are trying to clown themselves. 
    The worst part is that people’s selective memories are exploited, so what was once a risky Apple innovation and criticised by others then becomes seen as standard and obvious. They’re not even aware they’re using clones of Apple products.
    edited February 18 radarthekatjahbladeAppleExposedmejsriccornchipsuperklotonmagman1979lolliverStrangeDaysronn
  • Reply 9 of 132
    At least the Chinesse realize they dont have what is required to create such amazing products and they are trying to learn how to make it... is bad but you have to learn somewere.... Apple need to protect better its investments
    Lol. Let me know when an iphone shoots better pics than even the cheapest Huawei. For your info the best smartphone in the world is the Huawei Mate 20 pro. 
    AppleExposedalbegarc
  • Reply 10 of 132
    US gov should ban Huawei from using US technologies. They should go bankrupt like ZTE almost did.
    AppleExposedmagman1979watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 132
    Matebook Pro... lol. Huawei is the worst. Waiting for Avon 7 to tell us how stealing is good and that Huawei is pushing innovation bc of 17 camera lenses and fast charging and not linked to the Chinese gov’t in any way and that they are not an Apple clone company etc etc. Should be fun.  
    radarthekatpatchythepirateracerhomie3cornchipmagman1979lolliverStrangeDaysronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 132

    tulkas said:
    MacPro said:
    No different to Google really, didn't those programmers that created Android v2 (i.e. the one they rushed out to copy iOS after they dropped their Blackberry knock off) get paid?  Those programmers being paid was a reward for tech theft just as much.
    Exactly. Huawei is copying everyone. They are the new Samsung. Samsung copied everyone for many years. Android is unabashed copy. Windows was a copy of MacOS. Sure, Huawei is a little more James Bond about it, but Apple has been the target of IP theft for decades. 

    It's always made me laugh when the haters bash everything Apple and then use clones of Apple products. It's like they are trying to clown themselves. 
    Actually Apple is rarely the first to market. Wireless charging is an example I guess copying that from other is only good if Apple is doing it.  And then the the software gestures in ios 11 on copied from Blackberry and the upcoming three cameras copied from Huawei it is all good as long it is made by Apple
    AppleExposedmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 13 of 132
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,948member
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201902/15/WS5c65f545a3106c65c34e96c5.html



    "2010: Hillary Clinton declares freedom of navigation and peaceful resolution of SCS disputes a U.S. natl interest. 2009: China responds by submitting the 9-dash line to the UN CLCS for the first time.

    2011: Obama announces US increased presence in Asia during regional trip and Clinton follows this with announcement of the "pivot" (later rebalance) 2010: China responds by increasing the frequency of clashes with SEA fishers, oil and gas exploration, and law enforcement.

    2013: Philippine government files arbitral case under UNCLOS against China's claims. 2012: China responds by seizing control of Scarborough Shoal.

    2015: US increases frequency of long-standing SCS FONOPS. 2013-14: China responds by undertaking massive island-building campaign, resulting in three new air and naval bases in Spratlys, deploying HY981 rig off VN coast, and blockading PHL marines on 2nd Thomas Shoal.

    Late 2018: UK undertakes first SCS FONOP. France, Australia increase operations. US continues FONOPs, incl. the entirely routine Decatur op in Sept. 2017-mid-2018: China responds by completing hangars, missile shelters, sensors, and deploys jammers, SAMs, and ASCMs in Spratlys

    Which brings us to early 2019 when China continues to accuse the US of militarizing the SCS, presumably in response to some step Washington will take in 2020"

    SCS is South China Sea. FONOPS is Freedom of Navigation Operations.

    Welcome to the next Pacific War, and yeah, the Chinese are happily stealing military technology as well.

    and then;

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-born-u-s-citizen-charged-with-stealing-trade-secrets-11550177074?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/31rKlIg03s

    Stole the technology to the coating in Coke Cans.
    edited February 18 patchythepirateStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 132
    laoban00 said:
    At least the Chinesse realize they dont have what is required to create such amazing products and they are trying to learn how to make it... is bad but you have to learn somewere.... Apple need to protect better its investments
    Lol. Let me know when an iphone shoots better pics than even the cheapest Huawei. For your info the best smartphone in the world is the Huawei Mate 20 pro. 
    Dude, the iPhone camera is rated amongst the top. And the iPhone does video recording significantly better than the competition. Enjoy being surveillanced and mined for an indiscernible difference in photo quality. 
    radarthekattmayjahblademacseekerAppleExposedracerhomie3superklotonmagman1979lolliverurahara
  • Reply 15 of 132
    clarker99 said:
    Matebook Pro... lol. Huawei is the worst. Waiting for Avon 7 to tell us how stealing is good and that Huawei is pushing innovation bc of 17 camera lenses and fast charging and not linked to the Chinese gov’t in any way and that they are not an Apple clone company etc etc. Should be fun.  
    Avon7 not needed apparently. It seems we have a new user (about 3 posts earlier) stepping in to defend Chinese companies' ripoffs.
    tmayAppleExposedracerhomie3magman1979lolliverronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 132
    SoliSoli Posts: 9,274member
    I bet the same people that think Hauwei is an innovative company are the same ones tha lt say Apple doesn’t innovate… so why would Haiwri steal from Apple if that was the case?
    edited February 18 radarthekatjahbladeAppleExposedracerhomie3magman1979lolliverStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 132
    laoban00 said:

    tulkas said:
    MacPro said:
    No different to Google really, didn't those programmers that created Android v2 (i.e. the one they rushed out to copy iOS after they dropped their Blackberry knock off) get paid?  Those programmers being paid was a reward for tech theft just as much.
    Exactly. Huawei is copying everyone. They are the new Samsung. Samsung copied everyone for many years. Android is unabashed copy. Windows was a copy of MacOS. Sure, Huawei is a little more James Bond about it, but Apple has been the target of IP theft for decades. 

    It's always made me laugh when the haters bash everything Apple and then use clones of Apple products. It's like they are trying to clown themselves. 
    Actually Apple is rarely the first to market. Wireless charging is an example I guess copying that from other is only good if Apple is doing it.  And then the the software gestures in ios 11 on copied from Blackberry and the upcoming three cameras copied from Huawei it is all good as long it is made by Apple
    Is Apple cloning Huawei parts? No.  Read the article. Huawei is cloning Apple parts bc they have no clue.

    Adding a 3rd lense and adapting it in Apples own way with their own tech is not the same as cloning parts.

    radarthekatjahbladeAppleExposedracerhomie3magman1979lolliverLordeHawkStrangeDaysronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 132
    laoban00 said:
    At least the Chinesse realize they dont have what is required to create such amazing products and they are trying to learn how to make it... is bad but you have to learn somewere.... Apple need to protect better its investments
    Lol. Let me know when an iphone shoots better pics than even the cheapest Huawei. For your info the best smartphone in the world is the Huawei Mate 20 pro. 

    So Huawei isn’t happy with paying one shill (avon b7) to post on AI and decided they needed to add another?
    radarthekattmayjahblademacseekerAppleExposedpatchythepirateracerhomie3magman1979lolliverStrangeDays
  • Reply 19 of 132
    Soli said:
    wood1208 said:
    This is huge problem in past and still going on. Mr. Trump and rest of World leaders, please stop these Chinese theft of tech and there desire to succeed in market place at the cost of others. Best, stop letting Huawei selling any product in rest of world. Stealing,copying,hacking,etc of others products in China is normal, past time.
    You misspelled actual.
    So your so called “actual world leaders” have done nothing to combat this theft and it’s only been President Trump fighting China on the intellectual theft.  Isn’t the person leading the fight by definition the leader?  
  • Reply 20 of 132
    BenCBenC Posts: 12member
    laoban00 said:

    tulkas said:
    MacPro said:
    No different to Google really, didn't those programmers that created Android v2 (i.e. the one they rushed out to copy iOS after they dropped their Blackberry knock off) get paid?  Those programmers being paid was a reward for tech theft just as much.
    Exactly. Huawei is copying everyone. They are the new Samsung. Samsung copied everyone for many years. Android is unabashed copy. Windows was a copy of MacOS. Sure, Huawei is a little more James Bond about it, but Apple has been the target of IP theft for decades. 

    It's always made me laugh when the haters bash everything Apple and then use clones of Apple products. It's like they are trying to clown themselves. 
    Actually Apple is rarely the first to market. Wireless charging is an example I guess copying that from other is only good if Apple is doing it.  And then the the software gestures in ios 11 on copied from Blackberry and the upcoming three cameras copied from Huawei it is all good as long it is made by Apple
    Implementing an open, published standard such as Qi is not copying. Copying is when you spend time and effort trying to replicate the patented intellectual property of a third party.
    radarthekattmayAppleExposedracerhomie3lolliveruraharaStrangeDaysronnwatto_cobra
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