Apple in 2019 and the future of PCs

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Over the past two decades, Apple has proven capable of exercising its rapidly lithe, innovating ability to take its existing technologies and create new computing forms that retain its influence over the most commercially successful and strategically important markets. That winning strategy of the past also appears to be the best suited for the future of PCs.


Source: Statistica.com

Apple's innovative growth during legacy PC stagnation

IDC, Gartner and other firms have valiantly tried to minimize Apple's real position in the PC industry, building unit sales charts like the one above, which make it appear that Apple is just a bit player in the computing industry dominated by HP, Lenovo, and Dell. These are created by adding up every computer these other vendors build and comparing them only against Apple's Mac-branded systems, notably leaving out iPads.

However, the reality is that Apple's unique ability to take its conventional Mac platform and simplify it into the more approachable and broadly usable iPad has paid off dramatically, both in the consumer and enterprise markets.

It's also something that PC rivals haven't been able to successfully do. Over the past four quarters, Apple sold 61.74 million iPads and Macs, making it the leader in PC unit shipments, ahead of second-place HP's 57.16 million PCs shipped.


Apple not only created the only commerically successful tablet, but also maintained its Mac sales while PCs shrank


But Apple also brought in greater PC revenues and profits, enabling it to invest billions to radically enhance its own macOS and iOS platforms and develop custom A12 and T2 silicon that enhances and differentiates its offerings. In the future, Apple's higher unit sales, revenues, and profits from PC sales will keep making it easier for Apple to innovate in the computing space while HP, Lenovo, Dell and others will continue to be stuck waiting on Microsoft and Intel to chart out their futures. Over the past decade, WinTel has been failing its hardware partners, with no sign of any turnaround on the horizon.

The ARM processors that will likely power an increasing number of PC devices in the future are not held back by Intel, but no other maker apart from Apple is benefitting from the vast economies of scale that iPads are contributing to mobile chips. So while Apple will be able to leverage its existing, highly profitable production of high-end ARM processors for iPads, PC and mobile makers will be starting from scratch, fragmenting the market for PC processors and diluting Intel's existing x86 economies of scale.

A11X Bionic
Nobody else is selling premium tablets in volume. Apple's iPad ARM chips are erasing the economies of scale that once propelled x86 PCs


One honest thing that you can see from the chart is that demand for conventional PCs has receded dramatically in the years since iPad appeared, with industry-wide shipments falling by about 25 million units quarterly. In part, that's because conventional uses of PCs have been replaced by smartphones and other mobile technologies. But certainly, the roughly ten million iPads that Apple ships each quarter are also eroding into that demand. Note that Apple's Macs are not suffering the same falloff in sales, meaning that Apple is indeed successfully targeting PCs with iPads, not pursuing a strategy of weaning its Mac users onto iPads.

Apple is currently pursuing a strategy that positions iPads as its accessible, affordable entry-level computing product; iPad Pro as a higher end version of that same computing model; Macs as its familiar, yet increasingly iOS-integrated version of conventional computing; and Mac Pro models delivering the high-end version of the Mac experience. Pundits pretend to be befuddled by why they can't plug a mouse or a hard drive into an iPad, but consumers seem to have figured out which products fit their needs best and are having no problem buying them.

Microsoft's Surface unable to say "no"

So who is troubled in PCs as the world enters 2019? Certainly Microsoft, which has proven unable to move beyond the conventional PC in either smartphones or mobile tablets or other form factors. Its PC platform shrank twice as fast as Apple's iPad grew, and its own Surface vision of hybrid computing has remained tepidly flat for a decade at a number that's only about a twelfth of the revenue Apple is generating from its range of non-phone computing hardware.

Yet the Surface lineup includes so many various experiments-- Microsoft seems almost unable to say no-- that the cost of developing and maintaining all those SKUs is significant, crushing any hope of profitability. That makes Surface a profit sink, a distraction away from things Microsoft could be doing.


Microsoft is spending tons of money to look cool but isn't creating a viabile business


That's the very types of projects that Jobs canceled when he took over Apple in 1997, yet today's pundits demand that Apple take note of the whimsical things being done under the Surface brand and follow Microsoft, rather than pursuing the strategies that Jobs used to turn Apple around. Since 2011, Tim Cook has exercised the same strategies to dramatically grow Apple's sales even as the industries around it continue to slide sideways with distractions that were a waste of resources.

Chrome OS, Android and ARM

Google has similarly shown that it has no real insight into building a PC platform, with Chromebook and Android both failing to deliver a conventional PC, a modern mobile tablet, or some other hybrid experience that any customers want to pay anything for. All it has done is spend tons of money building devices that nobody buys: Chromebook Pixel, Nexus 9, Pixel C, and PixelBook have all been flops.

Everyone else in the PC industry is lined up behind Microsoft and Google, waiting for one or both of them to provide the software needed to drive their hardware. They're also largely waiting on Intel to provide the silicon to power it. Efforts to move conventional computing to ARM chips, where there's more competition, have suggested the potential of a new wave driving PC demand. However, overall interest in PCs is clearly waning despite the latest attempts at ARM laptops and netbooks, and Apple is far ahead of anyone else in developing custom ARM silicon to power the next generations of PCs.


Pretty clearly, nobody wants "Google's best in a laptop or tablet"


It's also worth noting that any significant movement from PCs to ARM processors will come at the cost of fragmentation of the Windows platform. Those expenses will be incurred by software developers trying to target multiple platforms, as well as two sets of chip designers-- Intel and ARM-- spending resources to build the future of Windows PCs. On Apple's side, the differences between Macs and iPads are narrowing, both for developers as Apple prepares to introduce the ability to bring iOS AppKit apps to the Mac, and for chip development as Apple moves more of its proprietary tech to custom T2 silicon and as the Ax architecture nears the point where Apple's own SoCs will have the ability to power Macs.

Isn't it curious that in 2019, a decade after iPad launched to the howls of embittered naysayers, Apple has continued to grow its Mac sales while at the same time building iPad into an equally large enterprise? And yet all pundits can think about is how Apple desperately needs to choose between them, pontificating about how Apple should either give up Macs, or turn iPads into a Mac in order to move Mac users to iPads, or some equally bizarre advice that makes no sense at all.

Meanwhile, they saw nothing but huge potential in Google's parallel failures of Chromebooks and Android tablets, and still see some glimmer of hope for Microsoft's stagnant Surface hobby and a new crop of ARM Windows machines. Microsoft's in it for the long haul, they insist, just like Microsoft said it was for Zune and Windows Phone. The reality today is that Windows has never been less important, and grows ever more irrelevant every year even as Microsoft continues to expand support for its users on iOS and Macs.

It doesn't matter if pundits refuse to acknowledge this. It does matter, however, that Apple is lining up broad industry support behind building custom enterprise software for iOS, software that will soon be easy to port to the Mac as well.

Even if absolutely nothing were to change across the next ten years in terms of market share shifts, Apple's Mac and iPad businesses would continue to generate nearly half a trillion dollars in revenues for Apple while supporting the development of highly advanced silicon, OS, development frameworks and apps. Windows remains in maintenance mode, getting occasional patches as the market forces driving Intel chips and Windows development slow to a crawl.
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  • Reply 1 of 35
    To me the biggest joke is Android and Chrome. We all know Android is dead on tablets. Chrome is a pretend desktop OS which comes not only with its own limitations but also with the fact that nobody is bringing heavyweight software to it (like Photoshop or similar).

    In order to bolster Chrome, Google has made the odd choice of allowing Android Apps to run on it. So taking inferior Apps written by developers too lazy to optimize for tablets and bringing them over to Chrome is supposedly a good thing? Developers already can’t be bothered to optimize their Apps for large screened devices, and they’re expected to suddenly do a 180 and optimize for Chromebooks?
    applesnorangeslkruppmike54racerhomie3watto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 2 of 35
    entropysentropys Posts: 1,648member
    While that is true, Eric, those Chrome laptops are destroying Apple’s role in the class room. Not only are they cheap, but it it is an integrated, easy to maintain wholistic system of software and services.  It’s depressingly Sad how easy it has been for google.  
    edited February 24 elijahgKITAmike54MisterKitemoellermuthuk_vanalingamdavgreg
  • Reply 3 of 35
    entropys said:
    While that is true, Eric, those Chrome laptops are destroying Apple’s role in the class room. Not only are they cheap, but it it is an integrated, easy to maintain wholistic system of software and services.  It’s depressingly easy it has been for google.  
    That and Apple's obsession with the iPad in the classroom, whilst shunning the Mac and Xserve hasn't helped.
    mike54
  • Reply 4 of 35
    entropysentropys Posts: 1,648member
    Also, this article is a bit too much a sit on your laurels type of article.  The real question is, how much money has Apple left on the table, how many sales has it not made, by: not adding the to iOS proper file management and peripheral support for the iPad; how many sales has Apple not made because upgrades of memory and storage are too high; how many iPhone sales has Apple not made by not having a small size, up to date iphone? You could go on of course.

    Its the sales you don’t make, the market gaps you leave to competitors, that matter. Apple of todays does remind me of Apple in the early nineties. And Jobs is no longer alive to rescue her.
    KITAdesignrmike54elijahgmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 5 of 35
    KITAKITA Posts: 170member

    Microsoft's Surface unable to say "no"

    So who is troubled in PCs as the world enters 2019? Certainly Microsoft, which has proven unable to move beyond the conventional PC in either smartphones or mobile tablets or other form factors. Its PC platform shrank twice as fast as Apple's iPad grew, and its own Surface vision of hybrid computing has remained tepidly flat for a decade at a number that's only about a twelfth of the revenue Apple is generating from its range of non-phone computing hardware.

    Yet the Surface lineup includes so many various experiments-- Microsoft seems almost unable to say no-- that the cost of developing and maintaining all those SKUs is significant, crushing any hope of profitability. That makes Surface a profit sink, a distraction away from things Microsoft could be doing.


    Microsoft is spending tons of money to look cool but isn't creating a viabile business


    That's the very types of projects that Jobs canceled when he took over Apple in 1997, yet today's pundits demand that Apple take note of the whimsical things being done under the Surface brand and follow Microsoft, rather than pursuing the strategies that Jobs used to turn Apple around. Since 2011, Tim Cook has exercised the same strategies to dramatically grow Apple's sales even as the industries around it continue to slide sideways with distractions that were a waste of resources.

    So Hololens 2 and Azure aren't moving beyond? They're utilizing an ARM processor along with their own in-house silicon and hardware to create a product without rival. Voice control, eye tracking and hand tracking combined with Azure remote rendering to allow for some very forward thinking experiences and visuals well beyond what the headset's hardware alone could produce. They're building major cornerstones in the mixed reality ecosystem starting with commercial and enterprise applications. They're partnered with dozens of industry leaders and scoring major contracts, such as the roughly $500 million dollar contract with the US military.








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  • Reply 6 of 35
    thedbathedba Posts: 474member
    elijahg said:
    entropys said:
    While that is true, Eric, those Chrome laptops are destroying Apple’s role in the class room. Not only are they cheap, but it it is an integrated, easy to maintain wholistic system of software and services.  It’s depressingly easy it has been for google.  
    That and Apple's obsession with the iPad in the classroom, whilst shunning the Mac and Xserve hasn't helped.
    Xserve was simply not a viable business. 
    Nobody’s shunning the Mac. 
    edited February 24 fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 35
    To me the biggest joke is Android and Chrome. We all know Android is dead on tablets. Chrome is a pretend desktop OS which comes not only with its own limitations but also with the fact that nobody is bringing heavyweight software to it (like Photoshop or similar).

    In order to bolster Chrome, Google has made the odd choice of allowing Android Apps to run on it. So taking inferior Apps written by developers too lazy to optimize for tablets and bringing them over to Chrome is supposedly a good thing? Developers already can’t be bothered to optimize their Apps for large screened devices, and they’re expected to suddenly do a 180 and optimize for Chromebooks?
    One of the consultants at my work relies on his Chromebook for everything he does at work, which is email, word processing and spreadsheets. He likes it because it's all integrated, all on the cloud and syncs to his Android phone. For people like him, that's all they need and an iPad or MacBook would be too expensive but for a $250 laptop, it's perfect.
    KITAdesignrlkruppmuthuk_vanalingamdavgreg
  • Reply 8 of 35
    JinTech said:
    To me the biggest joke is Android and Chrome. We all know Android is dead on tablets. Chrome is a pretend desktop OS which comes not only with its own limitations but also with the fact that nobody is bringing heavyweight software to it (like Photoshop or similar).

    In order to bolster Chrome, Google has made the odd choice of allowing Android Apps to run on it. So taking inferior Apps written by developers too lazy to optimize for tablets and bringing them over to Chrome is supposedly a good thing? Developers already can’t be bothered to optimize their Apps for large screened devices, and they’re expected to suddenly do a 180 and optimize for Chromebooks?
    One of the consultants at my work relies on his Chromebook for everything he does at work, which is email, word processing and spreadsheets. He likes it because it's all integrated, all on the cloud and syncs to his Android phone. For people like him, that's all they need and an iPad or MacBook would be too expensive but for a $250 laptop, it's perfect.
    This is a very interesting point. You've described a couple things: 1) a particular use case/user pattern that's probably very common, 2) an all-in-one, seamless, integrated solution that makes it easier for the user, and 3) a great price. This is pretty compelling. Apple can do all of this, but currently Apple's counter-offer to something like Google docs is...well...it looks pretty but it's just not pervasive enough to compel tons of people to use it. They could get there, but they're not there yet.
    applesnoranges
  • Reply 9 of 35
    entropys said:
    Also, this article is a bit too much a sit on your laurels type of article.  The real question is, how much money has Apple left on the table, how many sales has it not made, by: not adding the to iOS proper file management and peripheral support for the iPad; how many sales has Apple not made because upgrades of memory and storage are too high; how many iPhone sales has Apple not made by not having a small size, up to date iphone? You could go on of course.

    Its the sales you don’t make, the market gaps you leave to competitors, that matter. Apple of todays does remind me of Apple in the early nineties. And Jobs is no longer alive to rescue her.
    Hi,
    somewhat have to agree! Though still a firm Apple believer, the picture got some scratches:
    - HomePod: total desaster, stereo mode got lost again an again, Siri not able to find the most common radio stations, and sound quality far behind e.g. the B&W Zeppelin. 
    - Beats: cushions of the headphones crumbling to dust, and really just after ocxational use.
    - MacBook Pro 2014: Retina foil is loosening, and as it was also just a bavkup laptop with occasional use I just did not see it > no proactive info like with car manufacturers and just 3 weeks outside the callback programm :-(

    For me the simple summary: though the company is still making billions, the shareholder value pressure is taking more and mkre its toll and the company is losing its quality angle. Really a shame, as they play with their some differntiator from comlanies like Google, Samsung, Microsoft, etc.
    mike54davgreg
  • Reply 10 of 35
    It seems absolutely ridiculous to me to lump iPad and PC sales numbers together. The iPad is not a PC and it seems so bizarre to me that some people would came it to be so. What makes an iPad not a PC has nothing to do with the processor. It's the lack of a real file system and peripheral support with actual ports you can plug into that make an iPad not a PC. I have both a PC and an iPad because there are things you can do with a PC that are not practical with an iPad. I have a large number of files on my Personal Computer but basically all I have on my iPad are a collection of Apps.
    KITAdavgregtobian
  • Reply 11 of 35
    KITA said:

    Microsoft's Surface unable to say "no"

    So who is troubled in PCs as the world enters 2019? Certainly Microsoft, which has proven unable to move beyond the conventional PC in either smartphones or mobile tablets or other form factors. Its PC platform shrank twice as fast as Apple's iPad grew, and its own Surface vision of hybrid computing has remained tepidly flat for a decade at a number that's only about a twelfth of the revenue Apple is generating from its range of non-phone computing hardware.

    Yet the Surface lineup includes so many various experiments-- Microsoft seems almost unable to say no-- that the cost of developing and maintaining all those SKUs is significant, crushing any hope of profitability. That makes Surface a profit sink, a distraction away from things Microsoft could be doing.


    Microsoft is spending tons of money to look cool but isn't creating a viabile business


    That's the very types of projects that Jobs canceled when he took over Apple in 1997, yet today's pundits demand that Apple take note of the whimsical things being done under the Surface brand and follow Microsoft, rather than pursuing the strategies that Jobs used to turn Apple around. Since 2011, Tim Cook has exercised the same strategies to dramatically grow Apple's sales even as the industries around it continue to slide sideways with distractions that were a waste of resources.

    So Hololens 2 and Azure aren't moving beyond? They're utilizing an ARM processor along with their own in-house silicon and hardware to create a product without rival. Voice control, eye tracking and hand tracking combined with Azure remote rendering to allow for some very forward thinking experiences and visuals well beyond what the headset's hardware alone could produce. They're building major cornerstones in the mixed reality ecosystem starting with commercial and enterprise applications. They're partnered with dozens of industry leaders and scoring major contracts, such as the roughly $500 million dollar contract with the US military.








    A group of MS employees is demanding they cancel that military contract. 

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/microsoft-workers-call-on-company-to-cancel-military-contract
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 35
    nhtnht Posts: 4,429member
    hexclock said:
    KITA said:

    Microsoft's Surface unable to say "no"

    So who is troubled in PCs as the world enters 2019? Certainly Microsoft, which has proven unable to move beyond the conventional PC in either smartphones or mobile tablets or other form factors. Its PC platform shrank twice as fast as Apple's iPad grew, and its own Surface vision of hybrid computing has remained tepidly flat for a decade at a number that's only about a twelfth of the revenue Apple is generating from its range of non-phone computing hardware.

    Yet the Surface lineup includes so many various experiments-- Microsoft seems almost unable to say no-- that the cost of developing and maintaining all those SKUs is significant, crushing any hope of profitability. That makes Surface a profit sink, a distraction away from things Microsoft could be doing.


    Microsoft is spending tons of money to look cool but isn't creating a viabile business


    That's the very types of projects that Jobs canceled when he took over Apple in 1997, yet today's pundits demand that Apple take note of the whimsical things being done under the Surface brand and follow Microsoft, rather than pursuing the strategies that Jobs used to turn Apple around. Since 2011, Tim Cook has exercised the same strategies to dramatically grow Apple's sales even as the industries around it continue to slide sideways with distractions that were a waste of resources.

    So Hololens 2 and Azure aren't moving beyond? They're utilizing an ARM processor along with their own in-house silicon and hardware to create a product without rival. Voice control, eye tracking and hand tracking combined with Azure remote rendering to allow for some very forward thinking experiences and visuals well beyond what the headset's hardware alone could produce. They're building major cornerstones in the mixed reality ecosystem starting with commercial and enterprise applications. They're partnered with dozens of industry leaders and scoring major contracts, such as the roughly $500 million dollar contract with the US military.








    A group of MS employees is demanding they cancel that military contract. 

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/microsoft-workers-call-on-company-to-cancel-military-contract
    Lol...100 employees?  Yah, they can go pound sand if they think MS is giving up a $480M contract.
    mike54
  • Reply 13 of 35
    Geez, was this a paid blurb, or what? OK, AppleInsider's an Apple fan, but c'mon ... Apple's overall business model, including most of the hardware and sevices they make, seem pretty good, and APPL stock has begun to recover, but this article has it that "the future of PCs" has nothing to do with computers. COMPUTERS (remember?), not almost-computer-like smart devices. Apples, then Macs, in their various always-better forms and functions, running on a great OS with a revolutionary GUI - not to mention the other great software Apple used to make, then abandoned - used to be the backbone of this company. That's clearly no longer a priority. Maybe it's because Macs never really caught on with the business community, but I can't get over thinking that Apple didn't try hard enough to make it happen. Whatever, Apple's no longer the hardware genius it used to be, and my impression is they're no longer interested. They can still make pretty good stuff, but even there it seems that over the years they're playing catch-up, not leaders. Really capable, easy-to use laptops, with state-of-the-art innards and ports is what I'm talking about, and, for both the professional clientele as well as for showcase purposes, something really unbeatably over-the top - maybe even a (dare I say it) desktop, or even a workstation. But seriously, is a pretty-good Mac with more pixels, Dark Mode, or a TouchBar, or 1 or 2 mm. thinner or 2 grams lighter, or an ever-slimmer bezel, or syncing all my tunes and films to all my devices really that revolutionary - let alone needed? The WOW effect fades quickly. And re-writing the MacOS to use iOS apps???!!! How about re-writing iOS to be as good as MacOS? I used to trust Apple to do these things, and they did. I now only believe Apple could still do these things if they wanted, but I'm beginning to wonder whether my belief isn't misplaced. Apple may have a future in the digital business world, maybe even a bright future, but I'm not sure that will be in the computer business. Just sayin'.
  • Reply 14 of 35
    Macs are secondary to Apple now, even though though without macs there will be no iOS devices.
    All their mac products are hobbled and way overpriced.
    I would love a plastic mac with user replacable ssd, ram, battery and ports, just like the black mac books. They will loads of these.
    iOS is years away from replacing a mac, if ever.

    Apple is laser focussed iPhone, services and subscriptions now.
    Air Pods and Apple watch is good though.



  • Reply 15 of 35
    In this second of a two part series (for part 1, see http://appleinsider.com/articles/19/02/23/apple-in-2019-surviving-iphone-challenges-like-the-1990s-microsoft ), DED focuses on so-called "PC's". That's Personal Computer, to you and I, or computers that individual consumers can find useful. In the comments section, we see at least a couple that protest linking iPads with "PC'S". Slow N Easy's 2nd post here says "What makes an iPad not a PC [is] the lack of a real file system and peripheral support with actual ports you can plug into....". Gbdoc says "... this article has it that "the future of PCs" has nothing to do with computers. COMPUTERS (remember?), not almost-computer-like smart devices".

    I don't know who these two think they're trying to kid, but the term "personal computer" has zip to do with anything but the concept of a computer for personal use. It is thus only differentiated from a non-personal computer. Hence ANY personal computing device, including "pocket computers" like smartphones or wearables like the Apple Watch, is, by definition a "PC".

    Still, what they're striving to get to is that, in the classic world of the past, a "PC" was 
    essentially a personal desktop computer, as opposed to a VAX or some other distributed yet centralized computer system, typically employed by large businesses. To say that that definition of "PC" no longer applies is an understatement, albeit some "wiggle room" is still given it, by Windoze supporters and such, by calling computers that can be folded up and carried about "portable computers" (hence "PC's"). This allows them to assert that the Microsoft Surface is in fact a PC while the iPad isn't.

    How convenient! And how utterly laughable. OF COURSE the iPad is a "PC". Doesn't matter if it can't run all Microsoft's software, even in emulation mode. The iPad is no more different from the old desktop PC's than a "portable computer" is. It reminds me of when they used to say an iPad wasn't a PC because it didn't have a separate keyboard and mouse. Well, with the proper software, it doesn't need a mouse, and even if some particular software required them, it would be simplicity itself to attach a mouse or a trackpad/trackball via bluetooth. And if a virtual keyboard wasn't good enough for you, iPads now have perfectly good physical keyboards they can connect to.

    So why on earth would people  be so insistent on saying the iPad isn't a "PC"? DED has made that abundantly clear; "IDC, Gartner and other firms have valiantly tried to minimize Apple's real position in the PC industry." Why? AS DED also said, "Over the past four quarters, Apple sold 61.74 million iPads and Macs, making it the leader in PC unit shipments, ahead of second-place HP's 57.16 million PCs shipped". IOW, if these people didn't try to minimize it, then they'd have to acknowledge that Apple is literally the number 1 producer of PC's in the world. And we can't have that, now can we?

    Several other posters here have also talked at length about areas where Apple is not doing all, in their opinions, that it can. But that's looking at the individual trees, and ignoring the forest. No company, not even Apple, is going to be all things to all folks. And they're going to make their fair share of bonehead moves. I consider their not having been far more conservative in their initial guidance for Q1 '19 to be a classic bonehead move that cost Apple stockholders a ton of value, when Apple had to halt it's December buybacks in the teeth of a major attack on it's valuation. So no, Apple's not perfect. But it's far closer to that goal than any other company presently out there.

    Bottom line: The Apple forest, as these two DED articles make very clear, is doing quite well, thank you. It's a shame that so many people have been bamboozled into not recognizing that.
    edited February 24 mcdavecorrections2old4funbeowulfschmidttenthousandthingswatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 35
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,129member
    It seems absolutely ridiculous to me to lump iPad and PC sales numbers together. The iPad is not a PC and it seems so bizarre to me that some people would came it to be so. What makes an iPad not a PC has nothing to do with the processor. It's the lack of a real file system and peripheral support with actual ports you can plug into that make an iPad not a PC. I have both a PC and an iPad because there are things you can do with a PC that are not practical with an iPad. I have a large number of files on my Personal Computer but basically all I have on my iPad are a collection of Apps.
    Discover iCloud, then ports/peripherals & files just vanish.  Using both devices is likely to lead you to a compromised  mindset & workflows.
    designrwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 35
    About the only thing left that separates iPads from being an all in computer is the lack of ability to code and develop.
    kruegdudewatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 35
    It seems absolutely ridiculous to me to lump iPad and PC sales numbers together. The iPad is not a PC and it seems so bizarre to me that some people would came it to be so. What makes an iPad not a PC has nothing to do with the processor. It's the lack of a real file system and peripheral support with actual ports you can plug into that make an iPad not a PC. I have both a PC and an iPad because there are things you can do with a PC that are not practical with an iPad. I have a large number of files on my Personal Computer but basically all I have on my iPad are a collection of Apps.
    Absolutely. But iOS13 could narrow the gap.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 35
    designr said:
    JinTech said:
    To me the biggest joke is Android and Chrome. We all know Android is dead on tablets. Chrome is a pretend desktop OS which comes not only with its own limitations but also with the fact that nobody is bringing heavyweight software to it (like Photoshop or similar).

    In order to bolster Chrome, Google has made the odd choice of allowing Android Apps to run on it. So taking inferior Apps written by developers too lazy to optimize for tablets and bringing them over to Chrome is supposedly a good thing? Developers already can’t be bothered to optimize their Apps for large screened devices, and they’re expected to suddenly do a 180 and optimize for Chromebooks?
    One of the consultants at my work relies on his Chromebook for everything he does at work, which is email, word processing and spreadsheets. He likes it because it's all integrated, all on the cloud and syncs to his Android phone. For people like him, that's all they need and an iPad or MacBook would be too expensive but for a $250 laptop, it's perfect.
    This is a very interesting point. You've described a couple things: 1) a particular use case/user pattern that's probably very common, 2) an all-in-one, seamless, integrated solution that makes it easier for the user, and 3) a great price. This is pretty compelling. Apple can do all of this, but currently Apple's counter-offer to something like Google docs is...well...it looks pretty but it's just not pervasive enough to compel tons of people to use it. They could get there, but they're not there yet.
    Dunno. Seems like a $250 iPad does all that too. OK, maybe you need to add a hard keyboard (like in the smart cover) and that's a few more quid. 
    MisterKitwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 35
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,129member
    entropys said:
    While that is true, Eric, those Chrome laptops are destroying Apple’s role in the class room. Not only are they cheap, but it it is an integrated, easy to maintain wholistic system of software and services.  It’s depressingly Sad how easy it has been for google.  
    I have to confess, Apple’s abstinence from groupware is its Achilles heel.  They should have started to transition OSX Sever functionality to iCloud upon release and not just for education.  Looking at the mess which is O365 & G-Suite’s pushing of 1st-party services there’s still time but it has to be now.
    edited February 24 mattinozwatto_cobra
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