Sen. Warren has been really wrong about big issues, not just this one. Her policies, if enacted, would result in economic ruin for the US. This includes the extremely poorly thought out “Green New Deal”. The swing to far-Left positions by Democrats (not just Warren, but Harris, Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez and more) is baffling. It seems like they are dead set on offending as many people as they can right now.
I'm very disappointed in Warren for lumping Apple in here and for overgeneralizing. This initiative may well cost her the nomination. But I think you have to listen to a lot of right-wing media to get the impression that the rest of her ideas, and those of the other so-called "leftists" running, are extreme or crazy. People who get their information from conspiracy theories and pundits working for coal companies, instead of scientists and actual experts, are the ones who are crazy. None of the people you name do that -- their ideas come from mainstream economics and science. If that offends people, the problem is not their ideas.
Warren is one of the leading bankruptcy experts in the world, and her textbooks are widely used. Her stances on what causes inequality and lack of opportunity in America are extremely well founded and are supported by most people who've spent a lot of time studying the subject. And the Green New Deal is not even a proposal yet, but just a commitment to propose to do something serious on a problem that is going to swamp us soon. The US intelligence establishment isn't exactly left leaning, and they're in the forefront of giving the warning. Sticking our fingers in our ears and yelling about how outrageous it is for anyone to do anything to encourage us to limit the damage we're doing is not helpful.
Really AI? An editorial on this is fine (it’s your website), allowing comments probably isn’t. AI always turns off comments for anything vaguely political - why leave them on now?
Nilay Patel gave (I thought) a decent and quite nuanced take on this on the latest episode of Vector. Much better than most of the spluttering and harrumphing going on in here.
In 2019 America only 2-3 major companies dominate every major economic sector, from ecommerce to air travel, to the TV shows you watch - if think that's good for consumers, you're massively ignorant of both economics and history. Tech monopolies are no different than monopolies in any other sphere - there is a point when too big is bad for consumers and the company itself. Monopolies have no interest in innovation, they have an interest in rent-seeking.
As an Apple-focused site, look no further than the keyboard issues of recent Macs. If you want macOS, there is ONE company that makes it. So take that shitty keyboard or go use Windows. Real choice!
There is one company that makes Samsung TVs, One Company that makes Sony Devices etc. they all run their own software. Apple tried the software licensing route and it was end by Steve Jobs when he returned because it nearly bankrupted the company. Why should they cheapen their system with garbage Hardware like windows supports. Just like you don’t like Apples keyboards, they are far more who do. So you have choice. You can alway by an external keyboard too. Good luck.
Thank you cause I don’t know what stupid nonsense heli0s was spouting.
All Warren did was latch onto a hot button issue of the day (Facebook are evil spies who sell your secret life details) and make it a marketing point of her campaign.
Is it out of touch? Of course. It's basically swatting a gnat then swallowing a camel.
She proposes to do some good by destroying successful hard work and giftedness.
I do feel that tech companies can have an overreach, but breaking them up is not the answer. Consumer-protective laws are. Basically telling a company that is prying "you can't do that and if you do, there will be real consequences." Simple. but most of these politicians are more worried about themselves than the people. so they create a big mess out of a simple issue in order to create a platform out of it.
The government needs to figure itself out as well. Too many soap opera wannabe stars with personal agendas where we need humble, hardworking servants of the people.
I'm pretty liberal leaning, but I think Warren is off the mark here. Microsoft didn't get broken up in the '90s but they have become a shadow of their former selves. What I don't like is companies like Amazon bullying municipalities into tax breaks in exchange for jobs. Tax them appropriately and let the market decide who wins and loses.
I could be wrong but I believe that Warren’s issue is with the App Store and that you can’t load anything onto an iPhone without the developers having to submit to the rules Apple makes and pay them up to 30% of your revenue if you sell your apps. If Apple only policed for privacy and security it would be one thing but they have a “morals police” that decides what content is appropriate (which apparently is an issue with some of the TV shows they are making too) and they prevent apps from improving on their functionality (for instance not allowing anything on the home screen or people creating their own Apple Watch faces). It’s like Windows only coming with IE or buying a car and only being allowed to buy the gas from a Ford service station or only getting your service there (a few years ago car manufacturers didn’t want to give repair shops access to diagnostic codes to force everyone to use their repair shops but were quickly shut down.) I should be able to download an app right from the Netflix site and make my payment from there without Apple interfering with that transaction.
Amusing to me how liberal politicians are so eager to limit the size and power of corporations in the name of the people but think a giant, all powerful, all knowing, all controlling government is just fine. In fact the bigger the better as far as the size and influence of government with types like Warren.
I'm just going to mention that the last two presidents who actually shrank the size of government where named Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Look it up yourself -- the size of government grew under the Bushes, and typically grows under other Republican administrations. To his credit, Trump has not grown the size of government during his first two years in office, but neither has he substantially shrunk it.
I've been generally impressed with Sen. Warren's strongly pro-consumer stance on things, but I think this proposal is fundamentally wrong-headed. The problem with Amazon, Google, and FB isn't that they're "too big," it's that those three in particular (as pointed out in the article) do an utterly terrible job with your security, privacy, and data. The United States needs *loads* more security/privacy regulation, and the GDPR adopted by Europe is a pretty good model of how that problem should be tackled.
Whether you generally like Warren or don't, this proposal as she has articulated it so far just seems capriciously and arbitrarily anti-big company and anti-tech. For someone who's railed against the big banks (with plenty more factual ammunition in terms of evidence of wrong-doing), she's no longer talking about breaking them up, even though they are the ones that caused the last recession. Nor is she writing a Medium post about how it's time to break up Walmart, which is every bit as large and abusive as Amazon.
As a publicity stunt, this seems ill-thought-out and poorly researched (especially when you include Apple). As a realistic proposal, it has absolutely zero chance of actually being enacted. It's waaay too early for "silly season" type campaign rhetoric.
Really AI? An editorial on this is fine (it’s your website), allowing comments probably isn’t. AI always turns off comments for anything vaguely political - why leave them on now?
For the last six months, we've started with everything open. Threads have only been closed after they've become not cost-effective to moderate anymore.
Amusing to me how liberal politicians are so eager to limit the size and power of corporations in the name of the people but think a giant, all powerful, all knowing, all controlling government is just fine. In fact the bigger the better as far as the size and influence of government with types like Warren.
There is a big difference between corporations and our government. In principle, our government is us and is accountable to the voters. It is not some independent entity. If we don't like how things are going we can vote and change the leadership, as we did last November. We can show up at government offices and complain, as many did during the health care debates. Try showing up at the offices of the CEO of United Healthcare or Cigna and you'll get arrested.
Warren's comments are rather broad brush, maybe necessary given the short attention span of media these days, but she is raising some important issues.
Amusing to me how liberal politicians are so eager to limit the size and power of corporations in the name of the people but think a giant, all powerful, all knowing, all controlling government is just fine. In fact the bigger the better as far as the size and influence of government with types like Warren.
That's because the government is suppose to be by the people and working for the people. Corporations currently are by the few, and working against the many! Rarely are the interests of the corporation in line with the interests of the people at large. The government is suppose to be the tool of the people (not a tool of the corporations) as _we_ are the rightfull owners of this country and the corporations only exist because we the _people_ grant them the ability to exist and do business here. The government needs to be more powerful than the corporations in order to provide the necessary oversight at the peoples will.
People forget that _we_ the people, own this country. Corporations are but tenants that exist only because we grant then permission to operate. Corporations are not people!! The people, through its agent the government, define and create the sandbox by which the economic engine of capitalism exists. When corporations become so large that they userp our right or ability to govern ourselves and by extension the corporations, it's time to place limits on these corporations.
Ugh terrible article. And naive and ill informed points. Of course big companies need to be broken up, it's good for competition, it's good for consumers, and it's good for workers. Other big companies, energy and Internet access to name two, need to nationalized.
Ugh terrible article. And naive and ill informed points. Of course big companies need to be broken up, it's good for competition, it's good for consumers, and it's good for workers. Other big companies, energy and Internet access to name two, need to nationalized.
Nationalization is a terrible idea! Internet access needs to have more ... capitalism for it to work. We should never have allowed the companies to merge. mergers are in general _very bad_ and have little not no benefit (in most examples) to anyone except the companies themselves. It's better to let one of the companies to go out of business and let the void be filled by new blood! That's evolution!
Ugh terrible article. And naive and ill informed points. Of course big companies need to be broken up, it's good for competition, it's good for consumers, and it's good for workers. Other big companies, energy and Internet access to name two, need to nationalized.
Nationalization is a terrible idea! Internet access needs to have more ... capitalism for it to work. We should never have allowed the companies to merge. mergers are in general _very bad_ and have little not no benefit (in most examples) to anyone except the companies themselves. It's better to let one of the companies to go out of business and let the void be filled by new blood! That's evolution!
You prefer a country where one company could never acquire or merge with or spinoff another company? We have a constitutionally protected right of private property ownership. Corporations/companies are private property.
Uninformed politicians shooting blind claims against core of platform security, sole and well controlled App Store. NO one else can control it! They should focus on Facebook and similar companies raiding on user data without rules.
Facebook shouldn't be broken up. Facebook should be shut down. It's evil.
Facebook doesn’t make any sense as far as what does and doesn’t go against their Community Guidelines. I can report something that’s blatantly pornographic on FB and they refuse to take it down because it doesn’t violate their Community Guidelines. Though if I report the same content on the Facebook owned Instagram and the reported account is deleted because it violated Instagram’s Community Guidelines. Same company, different sites, different guidelines. Makes no sense!
I like the iOS store just the way it is. It’s safe and secure. There is fair competition on the store, it may not be perfect but it’s a heck of a lot better than the Android store which is the equivalent of the Wild West. I used to have an Android before my iPhone and you didn’t know if you were going to get a virus from a bad piece of software. Apple Music May come preloaded on iPhones and iPad’s but it lags behind Spotify is subscribers.
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Is it out of touch? Of course. It's basically swatting a gnat then swallowing a camel.
She proposes to do some good by destroying successful hard work and giftedness.
I do feel that tech companies can have an overreach, but breaking them up is not the answer. Consumer-protective laws are. Basically telling a company that is prying "you can't do that and if you do, there will be real consequences." Simple. but most of these politicians are more worried about themselves than the people. so they create a big mess out of a simple issue in order to create a platform out of it.
The government needs to figure itself out as well. Too many soap opera wannabe stars with personal agendas where we need humble, hardworking servants of the people.
Whether you generally like Warren or don't, this proposal as she has articulated it so far just seems capriciously and arbitrarily anti-big company and anti-tech. For someone who's railed against the big banks (with plenty more factual ammunition in terms of evidence of wrong-doing), she's no longer talking about breaking them up, even though they are the ones that caused the last recession. Nor is she writing a Medium post about how it's time to break up Walmart, which is every bit as large and abusive as Amazon.
As a publicity stunt, this seems ill-thought-out and poorly researched (especially when you include Apple). As a realistic proposal, it has absolutely zero chance of actually being enacted. It's waaay too early for "silly season" type campaign rhetoric.
People forget that _we_ the people, own this country. Corporations are but tenants that exist only because we grant then permission to operate. Corporations are not people!! The people, through its agent the government, define and create the sandbox by which the economic engine of capitalism exists. When corporations become so large that they userp our right or ability to govern ourselves and by extension the corporations, it's time to place limits on these corporations.
-Progressive Capitalist-
You need to rethink your position on this.