Qualcomm still wants to cooperate with Apple on a 5G iPhone

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  • Reply 41 of 56
    sturveysturvey Posts: 4member
    Dear Internet, It's "losing", not "loosing"
  • Reply 42 of 56
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.

  • Reply 43 of 56
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The call will be “We just bought your company.  You’re fired and security is on its way to escort you from the building.”
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 44 of 56
    1st1st Posts: 443member
    Ha, Qcom want to set standard for 5G?  without Apple on board, even it is set a standard, not enough string to pull for such money mine (like VZ CDMA, on its way out eventually).  Apple better learn the lesson (fool me once... ).  Besides, for what ever the reason, Qcom design is usually power hungry compare to the others (just my personal observation, could be wrong), that would impact 5G a lot (unless they don't want backward compatible or reuse some of their prior block...;-). 
  • Reply 45 of 56
    1st1st Posts: 443member
    nht said:
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The call will be “We just bought your company.  You’re fired and security is on its way to escort you from the building.”
    nht said:
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The call will be “We just bought your company.  You’re fired and security is on its way to escort you from the building.”
    that would be a bad move - you bought a company without soul.... although it is exciting, but sure a money losing game (you want all IP, tech transfer and keep good chaps - that is majority of the price for R&D engineering resources.. Just get rid of their overhead would be ok).  
  • Reply 46 of 56
    so  Apple is liable to be screwed by QC on price of modems 1-last-time.....
    They are working on their own modem. And have all the money in the world to make it work.
    Suddenly QC loses a BIG customer. And then Apple starts offering its modem for sale to other manufacturers....
    And then Apple starts offering manufacturers a "really good deal"  on mobile CPU chips - sorta like a cheaper A12 or similar. At a good price. Without ridiculous license fees...
    Snapdragons gonna be in a whole world of hurt.
  • Reply 47 of 56
    bluefire1bluefire1 Posts: 1,302member
    The best iPhone modems have always come from QCOM.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 48 of 56
    1st said:
    Ha, Qcom want to set standard for 5G?  without Apple on board, even it is set a standard, not enough string to pull for such money mine (like VZ CDMA, on its way out eventually).  Apple better learn the lesson (fool me once... ).  Besides, for what ever the reason, Qcom design is usually power hungry compare to the others (just my personal observation, could be wrong), that would impact 5G a lot (unless they don't want backward compatible or reuse some of their prior block...;-). 
    I think you got the part about QC modems being power hungry wrong. Just compare the iPhone X Vs iPhone Xs battery endurance ratings for 4G talk times in gsmarena with QC and Intel modems respectively. You will understand the reality. 
    1st
  • Reply 49 of 56
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
    1st said:
    nht said:
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The call will be “We just bought your company.  You’re fired and security is on its way to escort you from the building.”
    nht said:
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The call will be “We just bought your company.  You’re fired and security is on its way to escort you from the building.”
    that would be a bad move - you bought a company without soul.... although it is exciting, but sure a money losing game (you want all IP, tech transfer and keep good chaps - that is majority of the price for R&D engineering resources.. Just get rid of their overhead would be ok).  
    Do you think Amon is providing value added and good strategy by picking a fight with Apple?  Or do you think they should have privately come to a more equitable deal before this exploding in their face?
  • Reply 50 of 56
    Mid PrissMid Priss Posts: 5unconfirmed, member
     Thanks for clarifying that 5e bullshit
  • Reply 51 of 56
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,925member
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The statement is nothing but politics between companies that are in the midst of high-profile legal disputes. 

    As Anantksundaram said, it's business. Apple is a big customer and QC would be happy to sell them chips under the right terms. Likewise, if the terms were right, I'm sure Apple would buy. The problem is the two companies' idea of 'the right terms' are probably miles apart at this point.


  • Reply 52 of 56
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,337member
    Mid Priss said:
     I was driving through Indianapolis the other day and my iPhone 10 XS hooked up to 5G. I ran Speedtest and topped out at 120 Mbps. 

    Come on ......
  • Reply 53 of 56
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    MplsP said:
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The statement is nothing but politics between companies that are in the midst of high-profile legal disputes. 

    As Anantksundaram said, it's business. Apple is a big customer and QC would be happy to sell them chips under the right terms. Likewise, if the terms were right, I'm sure Apple would buy. The problem is the two companies' idea of 'the right terms' are probably miles apart at this point.


    Apple fought with Ericsson over pretty much the same issues. I think Nokia before that was the same general issues. Apple thought (or at least hoped to convince a courtroom) both companies had exhausted their 3G/4G standards-essential patent claims when licensing for chipset production, which of course both patent holders disagreed with. In each of those cases Apple eventually agreed to pay ongoing royalties based on a finished device cost anyway. This time Apple seems to have decided they'll see it thru to the end and roll the dice. 

    It's really not unusual for a company to at least try to base royalties on a finished product price rather than piecemeal. The reasoning is mentioned in this Ericsson slide. In essence it maximises returns and makes shareholders happier. 


    Enough noise has been made in recent years that Apple's bargaining position on this one has increased and Qualcomm will end up dealing with Apple on better terms than the other two previous bites that Nokia and Ericsson took IMHO.

    If something totally unexpected occurs in court and QC somehow sneaks by without having to completely roll over I'm certain Apple will try again with the next licensor with a contract demanding a cut of Apple's revenue (I think Nokia's is about due for a renegotiation). I'm confident they will eventually succeed, and personally I think QC is where it happens. 

    edited April 2019
  • Reply 54 of 56
    1st1st Posts: 443member
    Mid Priss said:
     Thanks for clarifying that 5e bullshit
    Mid Priss said:
     Thanks for clarifying that 5e bullshit
    wait for 2021 or end of 2020 would be wise... http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/atandt-boasts-about-5g-service-in-19-cities-but-theres-still-no-phone-that-can-use-it/ar-BBVMfUZ
  • Reply 55 of 56
    1st1st Posts: 443member
    nht said:
    1st said:
    nht said:
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The call will be “We just bought your company.  You’re fired and security is on its way to escort you from the building.”
    nht said:
    Ya gotta give Qualcomm credit for one thing:
    "We're still in San Diego, they have our phone number, If they call, we'll support them."

    That was one GREAT burn!   I doubt he is sitting beside his phone waiting for Tim's call.  In fact, it probably insured that Tim will NEVER call.
    The call will be “We just bought your company.  You’re fired and security is on its way to escort you from the building.”
    that would be a bad move - you bought a company without soul.... although it is exciting, but sure a money losing game (you want all IP, tech transfer and keep good chaps - that is majority of the price for R&D engineering resources.. Just get rid of their overhead would be ok).  
    Do you think Amon is providing value added and good strategy by picking a fight with Apple?  Or do you think they should have privately come to a more equitable deal before this exploding in their face?
    flirting in public usually shows one's desperation (std only be powerful if it got sufficient support of major users... with time ticking on 5G implmentation, lack up Apple to prevent any competing std is critical for QC IMHO). With ATT launch 19 cities 5G hot spot and VZ in 3, mobile handsets is a bottle neck, especially how to over come the short range coverage issue. Haha, glad sitting on the side line and not in the fry... Have fun! (I am save my money now for later upgrade once the dust settles, could be an iphone, or a new BB in 2021... sure it would be best tech win-what the design tickle my sense;-).
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