Editorial: Why is Samsung's Galaxy Fold graded on a curve?

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  • Reply 21 of 67
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    flydog said:
    This article manufactures a non-existent controversy to justify its existence. I haven’t seen any evidence that Samsung is treated differently than Apple in the press or the public eye.  

    Although the Verge stated just yesterday, "My Samsung Galaxy Fold screen broke after just a day. Yikes," this article refers to the author as passive and as evidence of an anti-Apple bias, cherry picking quotes to justify its false premise.  If anything, the Verge article is evidence of the opposite:   

    We’ve seen worries about scratches on expensive phones and debris breaking the keyboard on expensive MacBooks, but a piece of debris distorting the screen on a $1,980 phone after one day of use feels like it’s on an entirely different level.
    That's like saying a wearing a tan suit and paying a pornstar for sex are the same level of scandalous behavior.
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  • Reply 22 of 67
    yaqueyaque Posts: 4member
    It would be interesting an article about why Apple is constantly under "harassment" from mainstream media, while other companies don't, and are even propelled to continue and expand mistakes and highly questionable practices. It is really surprising how this behavior is growing: I used to follow Ms. Stern because of her balanced commentaries about Apple products, but I'm overly appalled about her comments about privacy! This harassment isn't new: it has been there since Apple was still an "underdog" when it was rebuilding itself. This unconscious or conscious behavior should have only a handful of motivations. Does this harassment existed before Steve Jobs rejoined the company? Is it a bully behavior, i.e. let's harass because it always has been done with Apple? Is it because the practice of gifting that Apple doesn't use, including giving exclusive information as a gift?, Gifts to influencers, so they can get more exposure?, Resentments of political or religious origin? Maybe some clues and parallels can be obtained from the behavior towards one other company that is similarly harassed: Tesla-SpaceX. On one hand, Apple products have many advantages: they just work, they are easily interoperable (again, this propels productivity), they promote sustainability, they are actively working on a balanced approach to information sharing. For my part, the main complain with Apple is its overpriced products. I really don't think that this advantages justify the overprice, specially considering that the two last advantages should be mandatory for all big companies (obviously this reality is not Apple's fault). At the end, what bothers me about this bullying behavior against Apple, is that this consciously or unconsciously undermines a company that do things right, creating (I repeat ... creating) public opinions that may drive the company out of business. The logical behavior is to promote companies that do things similarly right, so at the end, the competition will be fair, the prices must go down, and the society becomes better. Irrational bullying just sink this company, and all the advantages that it provides.
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  • Reply 23 of 67
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member

    k2kw said:

    1. Deiter Bohn is the ultimate Android apologist - much like DED for Apple.
    2. You certainly are implying that there is something wrong with Stern's relationship with Samsung. Are you actually saying she's paid off and if so how so? I'm thrilled that Stern took Apple to task for continuing problems with the butterfly keyboard 3 years after introduction and a couple design tweeks. Apple holds the WSJ's writing high enough that they are putting it in News+.
    3. Gruber definitely gets more inside information than you. It's a sign that many at Apple hold him in more respect. Your writing would probably get more respect if you stopped being the "High Sparrow" of Apple writing.
    4. I see stories all over the place that the Fold is breaking. They are not covering it up or minimizing it. This article is more a payback for negative articles over Apple's failure to deliver AirPower. still smarting.
    5. If Samsung does get this working, Apple will gladly source them as a supplier like with the OLED screen on the iPhone X and XS. Apple is now longer "Thermonuclear" with Samsung obviously. And of course Samsung will sell it to Apple because they will make more money as a supplier.
    First learn how to quote like a person who respects other's time. 
    Second, you're choosing to be an anonymous commenter who is rude and condescending. That's sums up how valuable your ideas about anything are.  
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  • Reply 24 of 67
    mr lizard said:
    Many Samsung customers view these sorts of products and features as “cutting edge”, and don’t care anywhere near as much as a typical Apple customer would about execution. Consider that many of Samsung’s product ranges bear no common design language, and feature tasteless decisions such as non-aligned ports. Their target market just doesn’t care about this sort of thing, and that’s ok. 

    Samsung’s culture is such that it desires to be seen to be first, and has no qualms with failing publicly. They’re not pretending to be perfect, and so the media and their customers don’t treat them as trying to be perfect. 

    Apple on the other hand publicly holds itself to incredibly high standards, and repeatedly and emphatically portrays its design as superior and world class. Therefore, the media and their customers take Apple’s assertions at face value, and when Apple screws up with badly designed keyboards you can count on them being hauled up for it.

    If Samsung stated their objective as being perfectionists and obsessive over quality in the same way as Apple does, then they might get treated the same by the press. But they don’t claim to be these things, so the press understandably doesn’t hold them to the same level of account. 
    This is the most practical, relevant, insightful  and unbiased response. Very well done. 
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  • Reply 25 of 67
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member

    mr lizard said:
    Many Samsung customers view these sorts of products and features as “cutting edge”, and don’t care anywhere near as much as a typical Apple customer would about execution. Consider that many of Samsung’s product ranges bear no common design language, and feature tasteless decisions such as non-aligned ports. Their target market just doesn’t care about this sort of thing, and that’s ok. 

    Samsung’s culture is such that it desires to be seen to be first, and has no qualms with failing publicly. They’re not pretending to be perfect, and so the media and their customers don’t treat them as trying to be perfect. 

    Apple on the other hand publicly holds itself to incredibly high standards, and repeatedly and emphatically portrays its design as superior and world class. Therefore, the media and their customers take Apple’s assertions at face value, and when Apple screws up with badly designed keyboards you can count on them being hauled up for it.

    If Samsung stated their objective as being perfectionists and obsessive over quality in the same way as Apple does, then they might get treated the same by the press. But they don’t claim to be these things, so the press understandably doesn’t hold them to the same level of account. 
    I think this was really well written, right up to the last paragraph. Because the tech press does actually treat Samsung like it is at least as (or better? - WSJ) than Apple in every respect. You can't read a Bloomberg article without seeing that. Wire reports are a constant din of nonsense. So that's what the article is taking issue with.

    Samsung isn't an Acer or a AUSTECH or white box nobody company at CES showing off a new idea. It positions itself as being the pinnacle of civilization. And sure, let it work at its marketing. But I also get to criticize it when it does ridiculous things and the media just hold hands and pray about it.   
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  • Reply 26 of 67
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member

    mr lizard said:
    Many Samsung customers view these sorts of products and features as “cutting edge”, and don’t care anywhere near as much as a typical Apple customer would about execution. Consider that many of Samsung’s product ranges bear no common design language, and feature tasteless decisions such as non-aligned ports. Their target market just doesn’t care about this sort of thing, and that’s ok. 

    Samsung’s culture is such that it desires to be seen to be first, and has no qualms with failing publicly. They’re not pretending to be perfect, and so the media and their customers don’t treat them as trying to be perfect. 

    Apple on the other hand publicly holds itself to incredibly high standards, and repeatedly and emphatically portrays its design as superior and world class. Therefore, the media and their customers take Apple’s assertions at face value, and when Apple screws up with badly designed keyboards you can count on them being hauled up for it.

    If Samsung stated their objective as being perfectionists and obsessive over quality in the same way as Apple does, then they might get treated the same by the press. But they don’t claim to be these things, so the press understandably doesn’t hold them to the same level of account. 
    I think this was really well written, right up to the last paragraph. Because the tech press does actually treat Samsung like it is at least as (or better? - WSJ) than Apple in every respect. You can't read a Bloomberg article without seeing that. Wire reports are a constant din of nonsense. So that's what the article is taking issue with.

    Samsung isn't an Acer or a AUSTECH or white box nobody company at CES showing off a new idea. It positions itself as being the pinnacle of civilization. And sure, let it work at its marketing. But I also get to criticize it when it does ridiculous things and the media just hold hands and pray about it.   
    On top of that, Samsung actively attacks Apple in ads for their choices. Samsung has purposely tried to set themselves up as the quality Apple alternative and along with that mantle, deservedly or not, comes with expectation to have quality devices. If they can't deliver on their self-proclaimed position in the market then they deserve to be treated the same was Apple is when they falter.
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  • Reply 27 of 67
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,750member

    bulk001 said:
    It is not being graded on a curve. The financial press is highlighting the issue and the stock got slammed. No need to be overly sensitive and paranoid about it. 
    Not only that, every tech site and tech youtuber is reporting on it.  People say DED editorials have a reputation for over the top disproportionate outrage.  After reading this and the last editorial, I'm inclined to agree.  A cursory glance at the internet shows Samsung being handed their ass in a hat.
    Ok so this is really simple so I'll just briefly lay it out. But I clearly wasn't actually saying that nobody was critical of Samsung, in a article where I myself am being critical, and in which I quoted various criticisms. I'm noting that big media sites have not been raising alarm that Samsung's phone units went down twice as fast as Apple, etc. And yet for Apple it is spoken of as being in end times. I can really spend any more time making this simpler. If you can't tell some bloggers (including me) from national media coverage, come on.

    Second, its not just the presence of criticism, but the extent and interpretation of that. Sure, Apple does get/deserve more attention/criticism because it sells the most and rules profits and is out ahead everywhere that commercial matters. However, if thats the case then Verge et all should dial down their constant equation of Apple and Samsung, or Pixel, or whatever Android talking points they have, and give them as some sort of unbiased opinion. A $999 iPhone X is shocking, but a $2000 Fold prototype is really reasonable given the satisfying click.

     


     
    Agreed.  Keep up the excellent work.  It's amazing how many Android (and to a lesser extent Samsung) apologists spend so much time on AI either to attack you or to knock anything Apple does.  The fact we have a full time (I suspect paid) Android/Google writer here shows just how much they fear Apple.  I seriously doubt there are full-time Apple backed writers spending weekdays writing on Android sites. 
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  • Reply 28 of 67
    flydog said:
    This article manufactures a non-existent controversy to justify its existence. I haven’t seen any evidence that Samsung is treated differently than Apple in the press or the public eye.  

    Although the Verge stated just yesterday, "My Samsung Galaxy Fold screen broke after just a day. Yikes," this article refers to the author as passive and as evidence of an anti-Apple bias, cherry picking quotes to justify its false premise.  If anything, the Verge article is evidence of the opposite:   

    We’ve seen worries about scratches on expensive phones and debris breaking the keyboard on expensive MacBooks, but a piece of debris distorting the screen on a $1,980 phone after one day of use feels like it’s on an entirely different level.


    I find this type of comment extremely concerning, and it seems the majority of the comments here suffer from a similar lack of reading comprehension. 

    Can you not see the difference between saying, “my screen broke on day 2, yikes (not even an exclamation point)” vs printing an article with no Es or Rs and dressing up as a butterfly?

    The point isn’t that no one ever says a negative word about Samsung. The point is that journalism with its funding tied entirely into click throughs has completely degraded to a point where it no longer is even attempting to accurately portray events. It’s simply taking advantage of shock value to gain viewership.
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  • Reply 29 of 67
    "creating a thick, heavy, and oddly narrow but extremely tall phone that converts into a relatively small tablet with a screen dominated by a notch".

    I read this line and said, I have to see pictures, I can not imagine a tablet DOMINATED by a notch.

    Alas, while larger than most and a bit weird, dominated is not a word I would have chosen, then again, I do not get paid to write articles, and do not claim to be an author, so perhaps my lexicon of words to describe said notch is no where up to par compared to the writer of this piece.

    BUT according to Merriam-Webster, dominate is defined as:
    1: RULE, CONTROLan empire that dominated the world
    2: to exert the supreme determining or guiding influence onthe ambition that has dominated his life
    3: to overlook from a superior elevation or command because of superior height or positiona hill that dominates the town
    4a: to be predominant insugar maples dominate the forest
    b: to have a commanding or preeminent place or position inname brands dominate the market

    Now let's apply these to the notch and see if they hold up:
    1) no the notch does not rule the tablet
    2) no the notch does is not a guiding influence
    3) no the notch does not occupy a superior elevation
    4a) no the notch is not predominant in size as compared to the overall screen
    4b) no the notch does not have a commanding place on the tablet.

    So this presents a quandry, either the author mis-applied a word to describe the notch (oh, the shame), or more likely, the author is just another Apple zealot, who sees everything and everyone who does not drink the particular kool-aid being produced in Cupertino as being against Apple.

    And the rest of the article proves this out. Samsung gets a pass on everything, and Apple, my poor beloved Apple, gets shamed at every turn, Oh, the indignity!!!!

    Therefore the author is just in his mission to go to great lengths to disparage any non Apple product or service.

    Maybe zealot is not the appropriate word, what did 
    Shakespeare call Falstaff? Oh yes, now I recall,  "a whoreson impudent embossed rascal".

    Yes, sounds about right.

    Hey, maybe my lexicon of words ain't so bad after all...........



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  • Reply 30 of 67

    bulk001 said:
    It is not being graded on a curve. The financial press is highlighting the issue and the stock got slammed. No need to be overly sensitive and paranoid about it. 
    Not only that, every tech site and tech youtuber is reporting on it.  People say DED editorials have a reputation for over the top disproportionate outrage.  After reading this and the last editorial, I'm inclined to agree.  A cursory glance at the internet shows Samsung being handed their ass in a hat.
    Ok so this is really simple so I'll just briefly lay it out. But I clearly wasn't actually saying that nobody was critical of Samsung, in a article where I myself am being critical, and in which I quoted various criticisms. I'm noting that big media sites have not been raising alarm that Samsung's phone units went down twice as fast as Apple, etc. And yet for Apple it is spoken of as being in end times. I can really spend any more time making this simpler. If you can't tell some bloggers (including me) from national media coverage, come on.

    Second, its not just the presence of criticism, but the extent and interpretation of that. Sure, Apple does get/deserve more attention/criticism because it sells the most and rules profits and is out ahead everywhere that commercial matters. However, if thats the case then Verge et all should dial down their constant equation of Apple and Samsung, or Pixel, or whatever Android talking points they have, and give them as some sort of unbiased opinion. A $999 iPhone X is shocking, but a $2000 Fold prototype is really reasonable given the satisfying click.

     


     
    Your observations tend to overlook fundamental truths.  Chief among them is Apple is judged differently because Apple has risen beyond a tech brand to being part of the cultural fabric.  That is not what Samsung is.  Samsung is simply the closest tech competitor that Apple has.  Samsung is typically judged as such; an Apple competitor.  They are not on the same level of cultural significance.  You expecting media to react the same for each company is unrealistic.  I'm pretty sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.   

    Your arguments wouldn't be so bad if they didn't come across as petulant and kind of unhinged.  Someone above said it best, you come off as the High Sparrow of Apple.  Your points present as a scattershot collection of badly parsed quotes, shade, outright aggressive negativity, and tenuous logic connections.  An example of the latter is in your last sentence to me:
    "A $999 iPhone X is shocking, but a $2000 Fold prototype is really reasonable given the satisfying click. "
    The $1000 iPhone was a shock... in 2017  A big part of that shock was being the first mainstream phone to debut with that sticker price.  It was a shock for Apple supporters and detractors alike.  Fast forward in time, more phones break that $1K barrier and no, it's not as shocking.  The Fold at $2K raises and eyebrow, but nearly universally every reviewer says no one should buy it.  

    To borrow from your line.  Okay, this is really simple so I'll tl;dr it.  Apple's influence and reach far outstrips Samsung's.  They are never going to be compared the same until either Apple's influence wanes, or Samsung's influence increases.  

      
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  • Reply 31 of 67
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,750member
    josie2019 said:
    "creating a thick, heavy, and oddly narrow but extremely tall phone that converts into a relatively small tablet with a screen dominated by a notch".

    I read this line and said, I have to see pictures, I can not imagine a tablet DOMINATED by a notch.

    Alas, while larger than most and a bit weird, dominated is not a word I would have chosen, then again, I do not get paid to write articles, and do not claim to be an author, so perhaps my lexicon of words to describe said notch is no where up to par compared to the writer of this piece.

    BUT according to Merriam-Webster, dominate is defined as:
    1: RULE, CONTROLan empire that dominated the world
    2: to exert the supreme determining or guiding influence onthe ambition that has dominated his life
    3: to overlook from a superior elevation or command because of superior height or positiona hill that dominates the town
    4a: to be predominant insugar maples dominate the forest
    b: to have a commanding or preeminent place or position inname brands dominate the market

    Now let's apply these to the notch and see if they hold up:
    1) no the notch does not rule the tablet
    2) no the notch does is not a guiding influence
    3) no the notch does not occupy a superior elevation
    4a) no the notch is not predominant in size as compared to the overall screen
    4b) no the notch does not have a commanding place on the tablet.

    So this presents a quandry, either the author mis-applied a word to describe the notch (oh, the shame), or more likely, the author is just another Apple zealot, who sees everything and everyone who does not drink the particular kool-aid being produced in Cupertino as being against Apple.

    And the rest of the article proves this out. Samsung gets a pass on everything, and Apple, my poor beloved Apple, gets shamed at every turn, Oh, the indignity!!!!

    Therefore the author is just in his mission to go to great lengths to disparage any non Apple product or service.

    Maybe zealot is not the appropriate word, what did Shakespeare call Falstaff? Oh yes, now I recall,  "a whoreson impudent embossed rascal".

    Yes, sounds about right.

    Hey, maybe my lexicon of words ain't so bad after all...........



    I realize the notch isn't your main point and your single post probably means you are here on a mission but ... the notch story was a funny one. For a while, I was studying perceptual psychology back in university days and this really jumped out at me.   You might have seen those visual tricks where two black and white 2D candlesticks can be also be seen as two faces looking at each other right?  Well, it seems to have escaped most people's attention that the 'notch' can be seen both as taking up screen real-estate or two areas either side adding some extra screen real estate.
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  • Reply 32 of 67
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,855moderator
    bulk001 said:
    It is not being graded on a curve. The financial press is highlighting the issue and the stock got slammed. No need to be overly sensitive and paranoid about it. 
    But stock prices are ephemeral.  The longer lasting effect would come from the press appropriately warning consumers about Samsung’s shoddy and second-rate efforts.  This would drive more business to Apple and others and away from Samsung, and this would then be reflected not merely in the stock price but in the future prospects of the company as an ongoing business.  That would be fair, and Samsung would be forced to change their ways.  Let the chips fall where they may based upon an honest assessment.  But those who review the products aren’t doing that, and I’m pretty confident the reason they aren’t is due to Samsung’s advertising budget.  
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  • Reply 33 of 67
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,855moderator

    mr lizard said:
    Many Samsung customers view these sorts of products and features as “cutting edge”, and don’t care anywhere near as much as a typical Apple customer would about execution. Consider that many of Samsung’s product ranges bear no common design language, and feature tasteless decisions such as non-aligned ports. Their target market just doesn’t care about this sort of thing, and that’s ok. 

    Samsung’s culture is such that it desires to be seen to be first, and has no qualms with failing publicly. They’re not pretending to be perfect, and so the media and their customers don’t treat them as trying to be perfect. 

    Apple on the other hand publicly holds itself to incredibly high standards, and repeatedly and emphatically portrays its design as superior and world class. Therefore, the media and their customers take Apple’s assertions at face value, and when Apple screws up with badly designed keyboards you can count on them being hauled up for it.

    If Samsung stated their objective as being perfectionists and obsessive over quality in the same way as Apple does, then they might get treated the same by the press. But they don’t claim to be these things, so the press understandably doesn’t hold them to the same level of account. 
    Except for the fact Samsung, in multiple advertisement campaigns over the years has portrayed both Apple products as inferior and Apple customers as dupes.  And so Samsung should be held to the same standards because they have consistently claimed to be superior. 
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  • Reply 34 of 67
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,855moderator

    RTM said:
    I don't think you're reading the same interwebs the rest of us are.

    As other commentors have pointed out, there's plenty of media attention in the last 24 hours as units started to break. And your use of selective quotes from people is bizarre. In almost every 'favorable' quote you used, they follow with 18 million reasons why you shouldn't buy the unit. That's sorta what journalism is about (pros and cons, showing both sides), not hit pieces. In fact, it's actually really hard to find any review that's gushing favoritism for the Fold.

    Almost everyone is basically saying the same thing 'Interesting first run concept, but it's not worth the cash'. Whereas this piece here seems to act just like the intro paragraph notes: A small child.
    I think you missed the point.  If this were Apple they’d be calling for the CEO’s head and telling us all
    how Apple is rotten to the core and doomed.  That’s what I’m not seeing when it comes to criticism of Samsung and others.  Am I wrong?  Please provide links where that level of fervor is being printed.  
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  • Reply 35 of 67
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member
    MacPro said:
    josie2019 said:
    "creating a thick, heavy, and oddly narrow but extremely tall phone that converts into a relatively small tablet with a screen dominated by a notch".

    I read this line and said, I have to see pictures, I can not imagine a tablet DOMINATED by a notch.

    Alas, while larger than most and a bit weird, dominated is not a word I would have chosen, then again, I do not get paid to write articles, and do not claim to be an author, so perhaps my lexicon of words to describe said notch is no where up to par compared to the writer of this piece.

    BUT according to Merriam-Webster, dominate is defined as:
    1: RULE, CONTROLan empire that dominated the world
    2: to exert the supreme determining or guiding influence onthe ambition that has dominated his life
    3: to overlook from a superior elevation or command because of superior height or positiona hill that dominates the town
    4a: to be predominant insugar maples dominate the forest
    b: to have a commanding or preeminent place or position inname brands dominate the market

    Now let's apply these to the notch and see if they hold up:
    1) no the notch does not rule the tablet
    2) no the notch does is not a guiding influence
    3) no the notch does not occupy a superior elevation
    4a) no the notch is not predominant in size as compared to the overall screen
    4b) no the notch does not have a commanding place on the tablet.

    So this presents a quandry, either the author mis-applied a word to describe the notch (oh, the shame), or more likely, the author is just another Apple zealot, who sees everything and everyone who does not drink the particular kool-aid being produced in Cupertino as being against Apple.

    And the rest of the article proves this out. Samsung gets a pass on everything, and Apple, my poor beloved Apple, gets shamed at every turn, Oh, the indignity!!!!

    Therefore the author is just in his mission to go to great lengths to disparage any non Apple product or service.

    Maybe zealot is not the appropriate word, what did Shakespeare call Falstaff? Oh yes, now I recall,  "a whoreson impudent embossed rascal".

    Yes, sounds about right.

    Hey, maybe my lexicon of words ain't so bad after all...........



    I realize the notch isn't your main point and your single post probably means you are here on a mission but ... the notch story was a funny one. For a while, I was studying perceptual psychology back in university days and this really jumped out at me.   You might have seen those visual tricks where two black and white 2D candlesticks can be also be seen as two faces looking at each other right?  Well, it seems to have escaped most people's attention that the 'notch' can be seen both as taking up screen real-estate or two areas either side adding some extra screen real estate.
    And also: look at how the notch takes out a weird rough corner of a playing movie, while most of the screen is blacked out. There were certainly some smarter ways to do that. It's just junior engineering.

    So Apple puts a Lightning port on the bottom of a mouse or the end of Pencil and people go nuts, but then the display you look at every day is nicked up polymer over a stretching OLED, that creases and may die any second, so carry a spare? 

    It's a pretty absurd thing even compared to the 4G Cube, and that was pretty eccentric in its decisions (heat sensor eject button over where the heat would escape, and so on. 

    It's a bold move, but a dumb move, and so it deserves some ridicule. And it will continue to get flack in real public opinion (but the WSJ isn't going to be doing videos about how dumb it is, mostly because the Fold is going to sell in the high thousands to people with money to burn and no real appreciation of design (as Mr Lizard stated). 

    MacBooks have been selling to tens of millions, so a small percentage is actually enough people to fill an audience and commiserate. It deserves mention, but to recommend a Surface Book shows some silly-level understanding of the market. 


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  • Reply 36 of 67
    LatkoLatko Posts: 398member
    mr lizard said:
    Many Samsung customers view these sorts of products and features as “cutting edge”, and don’t care anywhere near as much as a typical Apple customer would about execution. Consider that many of Samsung’s product ranges bear no common design language, and feature tasteless decisions such as non-aligned ports. Their target market just doesn’t care about this sort of thing, and that’s ok. 

    Samsung’s culture is such that it desires to be seen to be first, and has no qualms with failing publicly. They’re not pretending to be perfect, and so the media and their customers don’t treat them as trying to be perfect. 

    Apple on the other hand publicly holds itself to incredibly high standards, and repeatedly and emphatically portrays its design as superior and world class. Therefore, the media and their customers take Apple’s assertions at face value, and when Apple screws up with badly designed keyboards you can count on them being hauled up for it.

    If Samsung stated their objective as being perfectionists and obsessive over quality in the same way as Apple does, then they might get treated the same by the press. But they don’t claim to be these things, so the press understandably doesn’t hold them to the same level of account. 

    You forgot about Pippin, Airpower, Mighty Mouse/Pencil 1 charging, iPhone 4 frame antenna’s, Lightning cables, bendable iPhone 6, iPad Pro,

    And a generic lack of RAM - as fanboys seem to have adopted themselves internally.


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  • Reply 37 of 67
    firelockfirelock Posts: 240member
    flydog said:
    This article manufactures a non-existent controversy to justify its existence. I haven’t seen any evidence that Samsung is treated differently than Apple in the press or the public eye.  

    Although the Verge stated just yesterday, "My Samsung Galaxy Fold screen broke after just a day. Yikes," this article refers to the author as passive and as evidence of an anti-Apple bias, cherry picking quotes to justify its false premise.  If anything, the Verge article is evidence of the opposite:   

    We’ve seen worries about scratches on expensive phones and debris breaking the keyboard on expensive MacBooks, but a piece of debris distorting the screen on a $1,980 phone after one day of use feels like it’s on an entirely different level.


    The author of the “Yikes” article has on the same page a video that fawns over the phone, apparently made only hours after getting it in his hands before it broke. The Yikes article itself certainly takes Samsung to task for having a product that breaks so quickly. But it is also a very measured criticism that “gives credit” to Samsung for making the attempt. I think most readers of this forum would agree that if Apple had come out with such an overpriced, Frankensteined, and flawed product pundits would be pronouncing it as the end of the company.
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  • Reply 38 of 67
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,855moderator
    josie2019 said:
    "creating a thick, heavy, and oddly narrow but extremely tall phone that converts into a relatively small tablet with a screen dominated by a notch".

    I read this line and said, I have to see pictures, I can not imagine a tablet DOMINATED by a notch.

    Alas, while larger than most and a bit weird, dominated is not a word I would have chosen, then again, I do not get paid to write articles, and do not claim to be an author, so perhaps my lexicon of words to describe said notch is no where up to par compared to the writer of this piece.

    BUT according to Merriam-Webster, dominate is defined as:
    1: RULE, CONTROLan empire that dominated the world
    2: to exert the supreme determining or guiding influence onthe ambition that has dominated his life
    3: to overlook from a superior elevation or command because of superior height or positiona hill that dominates the town
    4a: to be predominant insugar maples dominate the forest
    b: to have a commanding or preeminent place or position inname brands dominate the market

    Now let's apply these to the notch and see if they hold up:
    1) no the notch does not rule the tablet
    2) no the notch does is not a guiding influence
    3) no the notch does not occupy a superior elevation
    4a) no the notch is not predominant in size as compared to the overall screen
    4b) no the notch does not have a commanding place on the tablet.

    So this presents a quandry, either the author mis-applied a word to describe the notch (oh, the shame), or more likely, the author is just another Apple zealot, who sees everything and everyone who does not drink the particular kool-aid being produced in Cupertino as being against Apple.

    And the rest of the article proves this out. Samsung gets a pass on everything, and Apple, my poor beloved Apple, gets shamed at every turn, Oh, the indignity!!!!

    Therefore the author is just in his mission to go to great lengths to disparage any non Apple product or service.

    Maybe zealot is not the appropriate word, what did Shakespeare call Falstaff? Oh yes, now I recall,  "a whoreson impudent embossed rascal".

    Yes, sounds about right.

    Hey, maybe my lexicon of words ain't so bad after all...........



    Good peck.  Another thousand ducks and maybe DED’s article will fall apart completely.  

    Pointing out a single mis-chosen word merely distracts from the article’s points, which are far more dominant than the nit you’re picking. 
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    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,855moderator


    bulk001 said:
    It is not being graded on a curve. The financial press is highlighting the issue and the stock got slammed. No need to be overly sensitive and paranoid about it. 
    Not only that, every tech site and tech youtuber is reporting on it.  People say DED editorials have a reputation for over the top disproportionate outrage.  After reading this and the last editorial, I'm inclined to agree.  A cursory glance at the internet shows Samsung being handed their ass in a hat.
    Ok so this is really simple so I'll just briefly lay it out. But I clearly wasn't actually saying that nobody was critical of Samsung, in a article where I myself am being critical, and in which I quoted various criticisms. I'm noting that big media sites have not been raising alarm that Samsung's phone units went down twice as fast as Apple, etc. And yet for Apple it is spoken of as being in end times. I can really spend any more time making this simpler. If you can't tell some bloggers (including me) from national media coverage, come on.

    Second, its not just the presence of criticism, but the extent and interpretation of that. Sure, Apple does get/deserve more attention/criticism because it sells the most and rules profits and is out ahead everywhere that commercial matters. However, if thats the case then Verge et all should dial down their constant equation of Apple and Samsung, or Pixel, or whatever Android talking points they have, and give them as some sort of unbiased opinion. A $999 iPhone X is shocking, but a $2000 Fold prototype is really reasonable given the satisfying click.

     


     
    Your observations tend to overlook fundamental truths.  Chief among them is Apple is judged differently because Apple has risen beyond a tech brand to being part of the cultural fabric.  That is not what Samsung is.  Samsung is simply the closest tech competitor that Apple has.  Samsung is typically judged as such; an Apple competitor.  They are not on the same level of cultural significance.  You expecting media to react the same for each company is unrealistic.  I'm pretty sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.   

    Your arguments wouldn't be so bad if they didn't come across as petulant and kind of unhinged.  Someone above said it best, you come off as the High Sparrow of Apple.  Your points present as a scattershot collection of badly parsed quotes, shade, outright aggressive negativity, and tenuous logic connections.  An example of the latter is in your last sentence to me:
    "A $999 iPhone X is shocking, but a $2000 Fold prototype is really reasonable given the satisfying click. "
    The $1000 iPhone was a shock... in 2017  A big part of that shock was being the first mainstream phone to debut with that sticker price.  It was a shock for Apple supporters and detractors alike.  Fast forward in time, more phones break that $1K barrier and no, it's not as shocking.  The Fold at $2K raises and eyebrow, but nearly universally every reviewer says no one should buy it.  

    To borrow from your line.  Okay, this is really simple so I'll tl;dr it.  Apple's influence and reach far outstrips Samsung's.  They are never going to be compared the same until either Apple's influence wanes, or Samsung's influence increases.  

      
    Your comment made me think you might be onto something.  And I get your point.  However, the bottom line is that the criticism of Apple is not in service to society or cultural advancement, is it?  Just look at it; it’s petty, virtually always proven over time to be fundamentally off base, and outright incorrect.  The motivation doesn’t align with your premise.  And the effect doesn’t serve society.  
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    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    geekmee said:
    What’s the problem being solved again??!
    This is the most pertinent question.  What reason does a folding phone need to justify its existence?  Personally, if I need that size ...iPad mini.   I don't need my phone to become a Autobot/Decepticon transformer.  

    I haven't viewed any reviews.  I live in the real world were peoples rent is out of control and the thought of spending 2000 dollars on a gimmick phone just isn't happening.   I've hidden most of the commentary from Thirsty YouTubers who'd post a video about their farts if they could get views.  It's fatiguing listening to people who are either shills or live in a bubble. 


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