I've found Face ID doesn't work as well without my glasses. Also I have to bring the phone in front of my face instead of a discrete touch with my finger and glance down at the phone. In meetings and other places Face ID is much more obvious and intrusive.
Don't others have ultrasonic fingerprint readers? The problem is that they're really easy to fool with a 3D texture, since they have no way to discern actual living tissue the way the Touch ID sensor does.
Nor does Touch ID do so. No idea how secure the acoustic fingerprint sensors are, but they're damn fast.
That’s an old hoax.
“The one minute video shows someone using their index finger to register Touch ID on a newly set-up iPhone 5s. Once the setup has been completed, they then apply a tape to their middle finger which, presumably, contains a transfer of the index fingerprint. That unlocks the phone.”
How do we know that the middle finger is not already registered? Since Touch ID is electric field based it can also work behind that tape on the middle finger.
Here'ssomemoreproof it's not infallible/hoax. It's ok, you don't have to defend every minute thing that isn't perfect about Apple. They aren't doomed if you concede occasionally. Touch ID is good enough security despite being foolable through a convoluted method.
Touch ID’s problem isn't “false positives” its false negatives. Touch ID is completely unusable when you really work, that is, not having a desk job. I found that out after being ousted by the software company I worked for and got a bit serious about building things.
Surely Apple wouldn’t be able to match the genius of Android vendors and implement such innovation of putting an in-display sensor in the display.
Actually the smart move would be to activate the rear glass panel so the phone would just know the user/holder was authentic.
All of this show’s the smartphone has come to the end of its development cycle. As soon as micro-LEDs allow bi-directional displays (with a virtual lens signal processor) for an in-display camera, it’s done.
Don't others have ultrasonic fingerprint readers? The problem is that they're really easy to fool with a 3D texture, since they have no way to discern actual living tissue the way the Touch ID sensor does.
Nor does Touch ID do so. No idea how secure the acoustic fingerprint sensors are, but they're damn fast.
That’s an old hoax.
“The one minute video shows someone using their index finger to register Touch ID on a newly set-up iPhone 5s. Once the setup has been completed, they then apply a tape to their middle finger which, presumably, contains a transfer of the index fingerprint. That unlocks the phone.”
How do we know that the middle finger is not already registered? Since Touch ID is electric field based it can also work behind that tape on the middle finger.
Here'ssomemoreproof it's not infallible/hoax. It's ok, you don't have to defend every minute thing that isn't perfect about Apple. They aren't doomed if you concede occasionally. Touch ID is good enough security despite being foolable through a convoluted method.
It is a capacitive sensor, not optical one, that cannot be fooled with a playdoe imprint as that bozo insults our intelligence.
“[0003] Fingerprint sensing technology has become widespread in use and is often used to provide secure access to sensitive electronic devices and/or data. Generally, capacitive fingerprint sensors may be used to determine an image of a fingerprint through measuring capacitance through each pixel of a capacitive sensor. The higher the capacitance, the nearer the surface of an adjacent or overlying finger to the pixel. Thus, fingerprint ridges provide a higher capacitance in an underlying pixel than do fingerprint valleys. There are other types of fingerprint sensors, such as optical sensors. ”
Any analog event can be fooled/reproduced with adequate amount of research and engineering but not like those bozos claim to have achieved.
"Face ID still has some flaws that Touch ID continues to be better at, such as unlocking the iPhone without looking at it , or with it still stored in the user's pocket."
That doesn't make Touch ID "better". Reaching into your pocket for something else, or to adjust the position of the phone in your pocket, and accidentally "unlocking the iPhone without looking at it", only wastes battery by turning on the screen while the iPhone is in your pocket (without you being aware of it).
And in general, "unlocking the iPhone without looking at it", even if the iPhone isn't in your pocket, doesn't make much sense. People need to look at their iPhones when they use them (if you can't see the screen it's impossible to use any apps).
Don't others have ultrasonic fingerprint readers? The problem is that they're really easy to fool with a 3D texture, since they have no way to discern actual living tissue the way the Touch ID sensor does.
Nor does Touch ID do so. No idea how secure the acoustic fingerprint sensors are, but they're damn fast.
That’s an old hoax.
“The one minute video shows someone using their index finger to register Touch ID on a newly set-up iPhone 5s. Once the setup has been completed, they then apply a tape to their middle finger which, presumably, contains a transfer of the index fingerprint. That unlocks the phone.”
How do we know that the middle finger is not already registered? Since Touch ID is electric field based it can also work behind that tape on the middle finger.
The CCC is pretty much beyond reproach. That’s probably not a hoax, but it’s pretty damn involved to get working.
Thanks, Elijah, for bringing it up: I’d forgotten about that.
I do hope they bring it back, and keep both options. I've mentioned before, I know of use cases where FaceID is impractical, and situations where TouchID is problematic. (And, for that matter, [i]vice versa[/i].)
Plus, let us require both for at least some actions. I need to be actively looking at the camera, and have my registered finger on the TouchID sensor to authorise payments, or App Purchases. The double tap on the side button is a real pain. (No, you don't need it for PayWave, but you do for using Apple Pay in other contexts.)
Also “...ruin the clean appearance...” The use of “clean” in describing design is really arbitrary and overused. You want truly “clean”? Blank piece of polished transparent glass with no buttons, electronics, engravings... or a sheet of paper with no lines or texture. Removing “stuff” to have “minimalism” for the sake of “clean design” is a ridiculous fad that needs to stop.
Touch ID could make a return to the iPhone without requiring a fingerprint reader in a home button tat can ruin the clean appearance of the smartphone's screen
The presence of the home button on my 7 in no way, shape or form, "ruins" the appearance of my phone, thanks. I don't have any other phone against which to directly compare it, but using Touch ID for payments is as convenient as I need. The motions I've seen others using seem more awkward to me.
As for unlocking my phone, neither Touch ID nor Face ID is ever going to be used for that purpose. Never.
I was thinking about it and it can be targeted for as well low cost iPad and iPad mini, maybe even Watch and who know it can be built into track pad of future ARM Macbook.
Since Apple announced support for a dedicated WatchOS App Store at WWDC, it makes sense for an in-screen fingerprint sensor to be added to the new Apple Watch 5 (and not a future iPhone).
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I too think both would be the ideal.
Touch ID is completely unusable when you really work, that is, not having a desk job.
I found that out after being ousted by the software company I worked for and got a bit serious about building things.
Actually the smart move would be to activate the rear glass panel so the phone would just know the user/holder was authentic.
All of this show’s the smartphone has come to the end of its development cycle. As soon as micro-LEDs allow bi-directional displays (with a virtual lens signal processor) for an in-display camera, it’s done.
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It is a capacitive sensor, not optical one, that cannot be fooled with a playdoe imprint as that bozo insults our intelligence.
“[0003] Fingerprint sensing technology has become widespread in use and is often used to provide secure access to sensitive electronic devices and/or data. Generally, capacitive fingerprint sensors may be used to determine an image of a fingerprint through measuring capacitance through each pixel of a capacitive sensor. The higher the capacitance, the nearer the surface of an adjacent or overlying finger to the pixel. Thus, fingerprint ridges provide a higher capacitance in an underlying pixel than do fingerprint valleys. There are other types of fingerprint sensors, such as optical sensors. ”
Any analog event can be fooled/reproduced with adequate amount of research and engineering but not like those bozos claim to have achieved.
"Face ID still has some flaws that Touch ID continues to be better at, such as unlocking the iPhone without looking at it , or with it still stored in the user's pocket."
That doesn't make Touch ID "better". Reaching into your pocket for something else, or to adjust the position of the phone in your pocket, and accidentally "unlocking the iPhone without looking at it", only wastes battery by turning on the screen while the iPhone is in your pocket (without you being aware of it).
And in general, "unlocking the iPhone without looking at it", even if the iPhone isn't in your pocket, doesn't make much sense. People need to look at their iPhones when they use them (if you can't see the screen it's impossible to use any apps).
Thanks, Elijah, for bringing it up: I’d forgotten about that.
I do hope they bring it back, and keep both options. I've mentioned before, I know of use cases where FaceID is impractical, and situations where TouchID is problematic. (And, for that matter, [i]vice versa[/i].)
Plus, let us require both for at least some actions. I need to be actively looking at the camera, and have my registered finger on the TouchID sensor to authorise payments, or App Purchases. The double tap on the side button is a real pain. (No, you don't need it for PayWave, but you do for using Apple Pay in other contexts.)
Also “...ruin the clean appearance...” The use of “clean” in describing design is really arbitrary and overused. You want truly “clean”? Blank piece of polished transparent glass with no buttons, electronics, engravings... or a sheet of paper with no lines or texture. Removing “stuff” to have “minimalism” for the sake of “clean design” is a ridiculous fad that needs to stop.
As for unlocking my phone, neither Touch ID nor Face ID is ever going to be used for that purpose. Never.