Apple may show modular Mac Pro, new external 6K Pro display at WWDC 2019

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  • Reply 21 of 100
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,182member
    danvm said:
    DAalseth said:
    shev said:
    I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while  :|
    That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll  give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
    Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations.  This one is completely on Apple.  
    Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd. 
    fastasleepSpamSandwich
  • Reply 22 of 100
    deminsddeminsd Posts: 143member
    lkrupp said:
    bitmod said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    AI Pro:
     I have no intention of ever looking inside this machine, but I want it to be bristling with SCSI ports and USB A to X. I want to be able to pick up an untested Gobsmak 800 1TB Graphics Card from Honest Don's Hardware Shack and stick it in the case because I read somewhere that's what real pros do.

    Apple's real pro customer:
    I want this machine to do stuff I need it do, and then do more stuff when I need it to do more stuff. I'm too busy to care how you do it, just as long as you do it.


    ...said the guy with an iPhone, so he really understands pros.
    Name 1 company or individual that fits your profile of this ‘real pro customer’... 
    Alex Lindsay of Pixel Corps and he has said almost exactly that on MacBreak Weekly many times. And he’s a real, real pro, having worked at Lucasfilm and then started Pixel Corps. Lindsay regularly criticizes Apple over their pro hardware (or lack thereof) but he stated he doesn't have the time to be swapping out graphics cards and fiddling with drivers. He has actual work to do and he wants Apple to produce a pro machine that does the job and is maintainable/upgradeable... EASILY. AI pros, on the other hand, would like to fiddle and experiment and argue over which graphics card can complete a task 5 milliseconds faster than another card. And no, the AI pros are not real pros because if they were they wouldn’t have the time to post on a measly tech blog trashing Apple all the time. They’d be working their asses off to meet deadlines and complete customer projects on time.
    So, in summary, if you're not making 7 figures working for the biggest film companies on the planet, then you're not a Pro.  Got it.  That doesn't bode well for the other 99.9% of "Pro's" that buy Apple to do work and make (obviously less) money.
    edited May 2019 mike54
  • Reply 23 of 100
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,513administrator
    DAalseth said:
    danvm said:
    DAalseth said:
    shev said:
    I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while  :|
    That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll  give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
    Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations.  This one is completely on Apple.  
    Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd. 
    April 2017 they said that they were working on it. January 2018 they said that they were working on Professional display/s. April 2018 they said that the Mac Pro was a 2019 product.
    fastasleepmacxpresscornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 100
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,195member
    deminsd said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    "Some weird peripheral" like an industry standard NVMe m.2 SSD or an off-the-shelf GPU or, memory modules?  Who in their right mind would WANT to saunter into a local parts store and upgrade their storage or graphics without having to take out a 2nd mortgage?  That's just crazy thinking!  /s

    But, no doubt, Apple will rely on "proprietary connectors" and glued shut modules to ensure that whatever you want to do with your new "modular Mac", you'll have to get it at the Apple Store at 3-4X the cost of a standard part.
    You mean like all those proprietary connects on today’s Macs - USB-C, USB..

    Besides which, the “stacking Mac” rumor isnt based on anything (literally anything) other than Schiller’s use of the word modular. He may have simply been referring to a case + monitor for all we know. 

    Not that you're likely in the market for one anyways. MPs are single-digit sales of Macs sold. People love to complain about stuff they have no intention of buying.
    edited May 2019 pscooter63fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 100
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,195member
    hypoluxa said:
    Like the HP Slice? www8.hp.com/us/en/elite-family/elite-slice-desktop.html ...and again we have those words "based on proprietary connectors"...
    I bet this is what they will introduce. Just look at the Mac mini and TV, they clearly are inspired by that design
    Wait, are you claiming the Mac mini, which was originally released in 2005 and redesigned in 2010 as we know it now, is based on the Elite Slice, which came out in 2016? How does that work?
    pscooter63fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 100
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,195member
    DAalseth said:
    shev said:
    I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while  :|
    That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll  give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
    They're not stringing anyone along. Didn't you read the transcript of their press event where they explained the source of the problem and delays? TechCrunch has it, look it up.
    fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 100
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,195member

    bitmod said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    AI Pro:
     I have no intention of ever looking inside this machine, but I want it to be bristling with SCSI ports and USB A to X. I want to be able to pick up an untested Gobsmak 800 1TB Graphics Card from Honest Don's Hardware Shack and stick it in the case because I read somewhere that's what real pros do.

    Apple's real pro customer:
    I want this machine to do stuff I need it do, and then do more stuff when I need it to do more stuff. I'm too busy to care how you do it, just as long as you do it.
    ...said the guy with an iPhone, so he really understands pros.
    Name 1 company or individual that fits your profile of this ‘real pro customer’... 
    I'm a real pro, and I can tell you we in enterprise have zero desire to do DIY tinkering inside our machines. Whether its my fortune 100/500 clients or my consulting work, I get a loaded machine, use it, then eventually it gets replaced. That's it. There is no more. As real pros, these machines are tools to generate value and money, they are not hobby projects to play with.
    lkruppthtfastasleepmacpluspluswelshdogcornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 100
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,195member

    I can tell you that the Film/TV and Advertising Post Production world has moved on. We built our business on Apple but Apple is a day late and an overpriced dollar short. I cant run my business waiting for Apple to get around to maybe, someday upgrading a 7 year old piece of hardware. tech changes too fast. I didnt leave Apple, Apple left me
    And you'll pay more for it in TCO. That's your business tho.
    cornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 100
    xgmanxgman Posts: 155member
    People have to get past the ancient slotted towers. geeze.. The stack concept if fine albeit overpriced like everything else Apple.
    prismatics
  • Reply 30 of 100
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,251member

    bitmod said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    AI Pro:
     I have no intention of ever looking inside this machine, but I want it to be bristling with SCSI ports and USB A to X. I want to be able to pick up an untested Gobsmak 800 1TB Graphics Card from Honest Don's Hardware Shack and stick it in the case because I read somewhere that's what real pros do.

    Apple's real pro customer:
    I want this machine to do stuff I need it do, and then do more stuff when I need it to do more stuff. I'm too busy to care how you do it, just as long as you do it.
    ...said the guy with an iPhone, so he really understands pros.
    Name 1 company or individual that fits your profile of this ‘real pro customer’... 
    I'm a real pro, and I can tell you we in enterprise have zero desire to do DIY tinkering inside our machines. Whether its my fortune 100/500 clients or my consulting work, I get a loaded machine, use it, then eventually it gets replaced. That's it. There is no more. As real pros, these machines are tools to generate value and money, they are not hobby projects to play with.
    So every pro user have same needs as yours, right?
    mike54
  • Reply 31 of 100
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,251member

    I can tell you that the Film/TV and Advertising Post Production world has moved on. We built our business on Apple but Apple is a day late and an overpriced dollar short. I cant run my business waiting for Apple to get around to maybe, someday upgrading a 7 year old piece of hardware. tech changes too fast. I didnt leave Apple, Apple left me
    And you'll pay more for it in TCO. That's your business tho.
    How do you know TCO is higher in his business case?
  • Reply 32 of 100
    TEAMSWITCHERTEAMSWITCHER Posts: 112member
    I keep thinking back to the Mac Quadra 700...  Yes it was a boring box, but I loved it.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 100
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,013member
    deminsd said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    "Some weird peripheral" like an industry standard NVMe m.2 SSD or an off-the-shelf GPU or, memory modules?  Who in their right mind would WANT to saunter into a local parts store and upgrade their storage or graphics without having to take out a 2nd mortgage?  That's just crazy thinking!  /s

    But, no doubt, Apple will rely on "proprietary connectors" and glued shut modules to ensure that whatever you want to do with your new "modular Mac", you'll have to get it at the Apple Store at 3-4X the cost of a standard part.
    All you are doing is confirming my prediction. You and others here will trash the thing no matter what it turns out to be because you have already made up your mind it won’t meet your expectations unless it’s a cheese grater with 10 slots.  When it is finally released we’ll see what you say about it but I won’t hold my breath. I’ve been surfing Apple sites for more than a decade and I’ve come to expect things.
    pscooter63cornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 100
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Like the HP Slice? www8.hp.com/us/en/elite-family/elite-slice-desktop.html ...and again we have those words "based on proprietary connectors"...
    I don’t have a problem with a “proprietary connector” as long as it doesn’t prevent third party products.     Apple was heavily you involved in USB-C development so we can hope for a long term goal here that creates an open standard.  It would be most interesting if the new solution moves to optical data transport.  

    Sadly everything I’ve heard about this machine so far has me believing it will be a complete failure.  I can’t see any benefit from the rumored modular approaches discussed online.   In fact I see lots of disadvantages.  Possibly the biggest short fall is the mechanical stupidity of vertical stacking.  

    In any event i see one problem with Apple revolving around their inability to grasp the need to reviled a complete solution.   That means the main processor module, a high performance monitor (along with a generic one), a storage array and whatever else professionals need.  The “professional appeal” of the current Mac Pro would have been much stronger if it had been launched as a complete system that didn’t rely upon third parties for everything beyond the compute box.  Even more frustrating with these modular rumors is the fact that the industry has had a modular solution for years in the 19” rack.  Rack mount equipment has done the trick for decades for professional users.  If Apple ignores this fact and doesn’t have a way to rack mounting the systems components, the product will not be seen as professional in many quarters.  

    In any event im not a fan of the segment that wants a return to the huge boxes like the Cheese grater.   I really see that as an example of living in the past.   There simply isn’t a need for that volume to implement a pro system.  Beyond that no rational person would be sticking their mass storage (storage arrays) into the same box as the users CPU.  It’s a different world these days.  
    cornchip
  • Reply 35 of 100
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    shev said:
    I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while  :|
    It is like the Mac division is run by people that don’t care anymore.    What is even worse is that they can’t address the mistakes they have made along the way.   The current Mac Pro isn’t a bad idea but frankly they built it for the wrong target group.   Imagine the same machine with one decent GPU card and a mass storage board with a bunch of M.2 slots replacing one of the GPU cards.  Such a machine, at a reasonable price, would have appealed to far more pro users.   By the way pricing has done more to kill Apples products than just about anything else.  
  • Reply 36 of 100
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Rayz2016 said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    AI Pro:
     I have no intention of ever looking inside this machine, but I want it to be bristling with SCSI ports and USB A to X. I want to be able to pick up an untested Gobsmak 800 1TB Graphics Card from Honest Don's Hardware Shack and stick it in the case because I read somewhere that's what real pros do.

    Apple's real pro customer:
    I want this machine to do stuff I need it do, and then do more stuff when I need it to do more stuff. I'm too busy to care how you do it, just as long as you do it.


    This real pro you are describing is exactly the supposed customer the current Mac Pro was designed for.   That machine has been a complete failure.  

    Here is the thing, computers are tools from the professionals perspective.  Frankly they are no different than a carpenters table saw.  Neither is especially useful until tailored to the specific work that the user expect to do on the machine.  Many might not see a computer as a machine tool but that is exactly what it is.   The output is different of course but it is a tool non the less.   Professional tools demand adaptability to allow them to be leveraged by all the niches that can make use of that tool.  
    pratikindia
  • Reply 37 of 100
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,386member

    bitmod said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    AI Pro:
     I have no intention of ever looking inside this machine, but I want it to be bristling with SCSI ports and USB A to X. I want to be able to pick up an untested Gobsmak 800 1TB Graphics Card from Honest Don's Hardware Shack and stick it in the case because I read somewhere that's what real pros do.

    Apple's real pro customer:
    I want this machine to do stuff I need it do, and then do more stuff when I need it to do more stuff. I'm too busy to care how you do it, just as long as you do it.
    ...said the guy with an iPhone, so he really understands pros.
    Name 1 company or individual that fits your profile of this ‘real pro customer’... 
    I'm a real pro, and I can tell you we in enterprise have zero desire to do DIY tinkering inside our machines. Whether its my fortune 100/500 clients or my consulting work, I get a loaded machine, use it, then eventually it gets replaced. That's it. There is no more. As real pros, these machines are tools to generate value and money, they are not hobby projects to play with.
    This is exactly how it works where I work as well. I work in IT for the creative department for a specific theme park. We get specifically spec'd Windows PC's and Macs (laptops and desktops), the user uses them for 3yrs until its considered EOL (End of Life), where then they have the possibility to get a newer computer if they need it. We never get inside the computers to upgrade anything. What they get is what they get. Now mind you we don't choose the bottom of the line stuff for the PC or the Mac, but its easily functional throughout its lifespan and usually beyond. 

    This idea that "Pros" want to tinker around inside the computer is just absurd. They have shit to do and futzing around with the innards of a computer is just wasting their time when they have important deadlines to meet. Yeah maybe the sole proprietor who runs their own graphics/video editing type business wants to do this to maximize their purchase down the road does, but in the real world with a company that buys hundreds of thousands (Millions) of dollars of Macs and even Windows PC's for professional work they don't get inside them. This isn't 1999 anymore...That ship has sailed! Apple isn't (and shouldn't) cater to the sole proprietor who buys a new Mac once every 6yrs versus companies that buy tens of Millions of dollars worth of Macs across the span of that same 6yrs. 
    edited May 2019 pscooter63fastasleepwelshdogroundaboutnowwatto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 100
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    danvm said:
    DAalseth said:
    shev said:
    I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while  :|
    That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll  give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
    Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations.  This one is completely on Apple.  
    Apple has basically lied to their customers because there are plenty of updated chips that could have gone into the current Mac Pro.  Many are actually lower power so you could improve theMac Pros thermals.  

    Frankly Apples inability to upgrade and improve the Mac Pro offering over all of these years has completely removed them from consideration in many “Pro” niches.   The current Mac Pro isn’t a bad concept but the willingness to adapt it for what pro users actually need is a problem Apple must over come.   Niche machines frankly have terrible sales figures especially if you mis target markets.  

    This is is why I don’t see a lot of success happening with these modular Mac rumors.  It is completely possible for them to make a-niche machine in a modular Mac that completely misses the intended target.  If Apple follows recent patterns they will dump the platform on the market and then ignore it for years.  It will be priced irrationally and frankly totally out of consideration for the pro users that might drive volume.   Volume is the key here, if they can’t entice a wide array of “pros” the modular Mac will be no more successful than the current Mac Pro.  
    supersonicprismatics
  • Reply 39 of 100
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,386member
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    deminsd said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    "Some weird peripheral" like an industry standard NVMe m.2 SSD or an off-the-shelf GPU or, memory modules?  Who in their right mind would WANT to saunter into a local parts store and upgrade their storage or graphics without having to take out a 2nd mortgage?  That's just crazy thinking!  /s

    But, no doubt, Apple will rely on "proprietary connectors" and glued shut modules to ensure that whatever you want to do with your new "modular Mac", you'll have to get it at the Apple Store at 3-4X the cost of a standard part.
    danvm said:
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    I don't think that Mac Pro customers want what you describe.  They just want an excellent, expandable and well design device, as HP Z-Workstations or Lenovo Thinkstations.  Apple could be a lot better than they did with the latest Mac Pro.
    lkrupp said:
    I personally predict that whatever the new Mac Pro turns out to be it will be trashed viciously by the self-agrandized techie crowd. These types want to be able to saunter into a Fry’s or Micro Center, pick out some weird peripheral, stick it into their “Mac Pro” and have it work. That doesn’t even happen with self-assembled PCs but it will be a requirement for any new Mac Pro. You just watch and see.
    Yeah versatility sucks.
    Maybe I'm thinking of this differently, but I took @lkrupp's comment as people will naysay any Mac Pro Apple releases as they can go build their own computer with "off the shelf parts" from xyz company(s) cheaper with better performance...just like they did with iMac Pro. 

    I guarantee you the Windows nerds (fanboys) will come out of the woodwork and blast this MacPro. Let's see how many sign up here alone just to say how shitty it is and how Apple has lost its touch. 
    edited May 2019 pscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 40 of 100
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,386member
    DAalseth said:
    danvm said:
    DAalseth said:
    shev said:
    I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while  :|
    That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll  give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
    Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations.  This one is completely on Apple.  
    Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd. 
    It's not late at all...it's basically right on schedule. There was never any set in stone date anyways and if you think Apple is just going to replicate the cheese grader Mac Pro, then you're absolutely wrong. Of course Apple is going to do something out of the box just like they've done with every other Professional Mac desktop going back into the 90's. It was never just a box of parts. 

    Also, if Apple was so far along in the design of their product with the anticipation of using a specific Intel chip with a specific load and heat index, you can't just go back on 1-2yrs worth of specific design and change it overnight. Sure, it's easy when you're HP or Dell and just throw a shitty plastic box together with off the shelf parts. To me this is just you being an armchair engineer here. 
    edited May 2019 watto_cobra
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