TSMC enters mass production of 'A13' chips in preparation for 2019 iPhone launch

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in iPhone edited May 2019
Apple chip partner Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co has commenced production of the next iPhone System-on-Chip, the Apple-designed "A13," one that is thought to start mass production in May ahead of the annual iPhone refresh in September.

TSMC


Firms in the iPhone supply chain are expected to be working to produce components in preparation for assembly of the latest iPhone models at this time of year. According to one report, this includes TSMC, the company tasked with manufacturing the all-important A-series chip that goes into the new releases.

According to an internal TSMC source of Bloomberg, the company went into early test production of the new A-series chip in April, with mass production planned for "as early as this month."

The A-series chip for 2019's iPhones is thought to be the "A13," a name that follows the trend of an annual numerical increment. While few details about the chip's capabilities are rumored, it is likely to include both general and graphical performance increases over earlier iterations.

TSMC's manufacturing capacity for its 7-nanometer production process will likely be pushed to the limit for this year's models, and could possibly freeze out TSMC's lines for its other clients entirely for the quarter. TSMC is also tipped to be using a new enhanced process for the "A13" from other previous 7-nanometer chips, with "N7 Pro," though exactly what the differences are from the established process remains unknown.

The "A13" could be the last A-series chip TSMC produces for Apple using a 7-nanometer process. The "A14" for 2020 may use a 6-nanometer process, while a 5-nanometer process is also under development that could be used for future versions.

The remainder of Friday's report contains no new information in regards to the new iPhones, that Ming-Chi Kuo from TF Securities hasn't already discussed. The 2019 iPhones are rumored to be called the "iPhone XI," "iPhone XI Max," and the "iPhone XE," updated variants of the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR. While staying relatively similar in terms of design, with an expected spec bump, the main change is the addition of an extra camera for each, with the two premium models having three cameras to the "XE" having two.
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  • Reply 1 of 64
    ericthehalfbeeericthehalfbee Posts: 4,486member
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
  • Reply 2 of 64
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Last year's 980 was about the same die size as the A12, and near the same transistor count, with the A12 again having about a  20% edge in performance. I don't expect that differential to change much this round. The big question in everyone's mind: will Huawei double down on another benchmark cheat?
  • Reply 3 of 64
    ericthehalfbeeericthehalfbee Posts: 4,486member
    tmay said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Last year's 980 was about the same die size as the A12, and near the same transistor count, with the A12 again having about a  20% edge in performance. I don't expect that differential to change much this round. The big question in everyone's mind: will Huawei double down on another benchmark cheat?

    There won’t be anything big from Huawei this year. They (and Qualcomm) got lucky last year in that ARM finished their A76 core design in time to coincide with TSMC 7nm production. The “stars aligned” as they say, and that’s why the Kirin 980 was good (though still behind Apple).

    This year there’s no new ARM cores to use, so all they can hope for are minor improvements from the slight change that N7 Pro will bring to their existing cores.

    Meanwhile Apple gets the upgrade from N7 along with whatever changes they make to their custom cores. Nobody is going to touch the A13 this year, or well into 2020.
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  • Reply 4 of 64
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tmay said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Last year's 980 was about the same die size as the A12, and near the same transistor count, with the A12 again having about a  20% edge in performance. I don't expect that differential to change much this round. The big question in everyone's mind: will Huawei double down on another benchmark cheat?

    There won’t be anything big from Huawei this year. They (and Qualcomm) got lucky last year in that ARM finished their A76 core design in time to coincide with TSMC 7nm production. The “stars aligned” as they say, and that’s why the Kirin 980 was good (though still behind Apple).

    This year there’s no new ARM cores to use, so all they can hope for are minor improvements from the slight change that N7 Pro will bring to their existing cores.

    Meanwhile Apple gets the upgrade from N7 along with whatever changes they make to their custom cores. Nobody is going to touch the A13 this year, or well into 2020.
    Good info. I had forgotten about that A76 timing.
  • Reply 5 of 64
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,665member
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Nope

    Both the Kirin 970 and the Kirin 980 were formally presented at IFA 2017 and IFA 2018 respectively.

    These are not 'announcements' but official launches of the new SoCs. The reason the launches are not tied to a product presentation is that Kirins end up in much more than typical mobile devices. 

    IFA is usually held in August. Logically, the SoC becomes official at launch and if there are firsts involved, they get mentioned.

    This clearly irritates you for some reason as you continually jump on these stories. It shouldn't irritate you. It's how things work and there is no mystery involved.
  • Reply 6 of 64
    dws-2dws-2 Posts: 276member
    The current chips are plenty fast. Smartphones need to find a use for that extra horsepower.
    coolfactor
  • Reply 7 of 64
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    dws-2 said:
    The current chips are plenty fast. Smartphones need to find a use for that extra horsepower.
    All the advancement in these chips allow for processors to finish tasks and get back to a low-power state more quickly, which helps to minimize power use. I’m down with all such improvements.
    coolfactorStrangeDaysnetmage
  • Reply 8 of 64
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,665member
    tmay said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Last year's 980 was about the same die size as the A12, and near the same transistor count, with the A12 again having about a  20% edge in performance. I don't expect that differential to change much this round. The big question in everyone's mind: will Huawei double down on another benchmark cheat?

    There won’t be anything big from Huawei this year. They (and Qualcomm) got lucky last year in that ARM finished their A76 core design in time to coincide with TSMC 7nm production. The “stars aligned” as they say, and that’s why the Kirin 980 was good (though still behind Apple).

    This year there’s no new ARM cores to use, so all they can hope for are minor improvements from the slight change that N7 Pro will bring to their existing cores.

    Meanwhile Apple gets the upgrade from N7 along with whatever changes they make to their custom cores. Nobody is going to touch the A13 this year, or well into 2020.
    You mean Balong 5000, Tiangang, Ascend and the world's fastest wi-fi chipset from Huawei weren't big?

    The chipset on my phone is a full generation behind my wife's A12. The big news is that my phone is as fast as her phone on everything we use it for with one exception (camera readiness). But then my camera can take pics that she can't.

    CPU Speed stopped being real news to consumers - years ago!

    On the other hand wifi and modem speed are something else. Reception is something else. Battery life is something else. Charging is something else. The camera versatility is something else etc

    It might be wise to consider these aspects before becoming obfuscated with CPU speed.
  • Reply 9 of 64
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    dws-2 said:
    The current chips are plenty fast. Smartphones need to find a use for that extra horsepower.
    You seem to miss what smartphones have been evolving into.
    StrangeDaysseanjnetmage
  • Reply 10 of 64
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member

    avon b7 said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Nope

    Both the Kirin 970 and the Kirin 980 were formally presented at IFA 2017 and IFA 2018 respectively.

    These are not 'announcements' but official launches of the new SoCs. The reason the launches are not tied to a product presentation is that Kirins end up in much more than typical mobile devices. 

    IFA is usually held in August. Logically, the SoC becomes official at launch and if there are firsts involved, they get mentioned.

    This clearly irritates you for some reason as you continually jump on these stories. It shouldn't irritate you. It's how things work and there is no mystery involved.
    WTF.

    Apple actually delivered iPhones with A12's in volume 30 days before Huawei delivered the P20 series, so "launch" dates mean diddly. I argued with you at the time that Huawei was in fact following Apple's TMSC production, which is, as again in this case, absolutely true. Why else would Huawei have held back delivering the P20's? If they did, It would demonstrate how poor their logistics were.

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  • Reply 11 of 64
    ericthehalfbeeericthehalfbee Posts: 4,486member
    avon b7 said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Nope

    Both the Kirin 970 and the Kirin 980 were formally presented at IFA 2017 and IFA 2018 respectively.

    These are not 'announcements' but official launches of the new SoCs. The reason the launches are not tied to a product presentation is that Kirins end up in much more than typical mobile devices. 

    IFA is usually held in August. Logically, the SoC becomes official at launch and if there are firsts involved, they get mentioned.

    This clearly irritates you for some reason as you continually jump on these stories. It shouldn't irritate you. It's how things work and there is no mystery involved.

    Bullshit.

    You’re just a Huawei shill who’s trying to change industry accepted practices so your employer can claim to be first at something.

    The first company to ship silicon to consumers is the only one who counts. Announcements months ahead of this are meaningless.

    You're the one who gets irritated when we call out you and Huawei’s bullshit.
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  • Reply 12 of 64
    ericthehalfbeeericthehalfbee Posts: 4,486member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Last year's 980 was about the same die size as the A12, and near the same transistor count, with the A12 again having about a  20% edge in performance. I don't expect that differential to change much this round. The big question in everyone's mind: will Huawei double down on another benchmark cheat?

    There won’t be anything big from Huawei this year. They (and Qualcomm) got lucky last year in that ARM finished their A76 core design in time to coincide with TSMC 7nm production. The “stars aligned” as they say, and that’s why the Kirin 980 was good (though still behind Apple).

    This year there’s no new ARM cores to use, so all they can hope for are minor improvements from the slight change that N7 Pro will bring to their existing cores.

    Meanwhile Apple gets the upgrade from N7 along with whatever changes they make to their custom cores. Nobody is going to touch the A13 this year, or well into 2020.
    You mean Balong 5000, Tiangang, Ascend and the world's fastest wi-fi chipset from Huawei weren't big?

    The chipset on my phone is a full generation behind my wife's A12. The big news is that my phone is as fast as her phone on everything we use it for with one exception (camera readiness). But then my camera can take pics that she can't.

    CPU Speed stopped being real news to consumers - years ago!

    On the other hand wifi and modem speed are something else. Reception is something else. Battery life is something else. Charging is something else. The camera versatility is something else etc

    It might be wise to consider these aspects before becoming obfuscated with CPU speed.

    Ah yes, more bullshit from the shill.

    Were talking about processors. As in CPUs and GPUs. And as your history shows, you always try to weasel in WiF or modem speed and pretend that it has a bigger impact on performance than a CPU/GPU.

    Nothing pisses off trolls more than talking about Apple processors. They can’t stand that Apple is vastly superior.
    coolfactorwilliamlondontmayStrangeDaysseanjfastasleepelfig2012netmage
  • Reply 13 of 64
    rotateleftbyterotateleftbyte Posts: 1,630member
    dws-2 said:
    The current chips are plenty fast. Smartphones need to find a use for that extra horsepower.
    How about...
    1) On board AI so that they don't have to 'Phone-Home' at every opportunity
    2) VR and AR
    seanjcaladaniannetmage
  • Reply 14 of 64
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,241member

    The "A13" could be the last A-series chip TSMC produces for Apple using a 7-nanometer process. The "A14" for 2020 may use a 6-nanometer process, while a 5-nanometer process is also under development that could be used for future versions. 

    They should just skip straight to 0-nanometer and deliver the truly transparent all-glass iPhone that is the future!  :D

  • Reply 15 of 64
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,665member
    tmay said:

    avon b7 said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Nope

    Both the Kirin 970 and the Kirin 980 were formally presented at IFA 2017 and IFA 2018 respectively.

    These are not 'announcements' but official launches of the new SoCs. The reason the launches are not tied to a product presentation is that Kirins end up in much more than typical mobile devices. 

    IFA is usually held in August. Logically, the SoC becomes official at launch and if there are firsts involved, they get mentioned.

    This clearly irritates you for some reason as you continually jump on these stories. It shouldn't irritate you. It's how things work and there is no mystery involved.
    WTF.

    Apple actually delivered iPhones with A12's in volume 30 days before Huawei delivered the P20 series, so "launch" dates mean diddly. I argued with you at the time that Huawei was in fact following Apple's TMSC production, which is, as again in this case, absolutely true. Why else would Huawei have held back delivering the P20's? If they did, It would demonstrate how poor their logistics were.

    WTF as much as you like. It won't change anything.

    Intel launches new processors. No one doubts they exist and have been launched. No one claims they only exist once they appear in a product. That's crazy.

    That's what happens with HiSilicon/Huawei. The difference is that in this case the first shipping end product is reserved exclusively for Huawei and Huawei products run to a schedule that depends on many other factors - not only SoC availability.

    That's why, to give you a clear example, sites such as Anandtech make clear in their references to the A12 for example that it was the first commercial 7nm SoC.

    What grates on you is that Huawei dares use the word 'first'. I'm sorry for you.

    It's not even that important given the difference in shipping products from both vendors, but there you go....

    edited May 2019
  • Reply 16 of 64
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,665member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Last year's 980 was about the same die size as the A12, and near the same transistor count, with the A12 again having about a  20% edge in performance. I don't expect that differential to change much this round. The big question in everyone's mind: will Huawei double down on another benchmark cheat?

    There won’t be anything big from Huawei this year. They (and Qualcomm) got lucky last year in that ARM finished their A76 core design in time to coincide with TSMC 7nm production. The “stars aligned” as they say, and that’s why the Kirin 980 was good (though still behind Apple).

    This year there’s no new ARM cores to use, so all they can hope for are minor improvements from the slight change that N7 Pro will bring to their existing cores.

    Meanwhile Apple gets the upgrade from N7 along with whatever changes they make to their custom cores. Nobody is going to touch the A13 this year, or well into 2020.
    You mean Balong 5000, Tiangang, Ascend and the world's fastest wi-fi chipset from Huawei weren't big?

    The chipset on my phone is a full generation behind my wife's A12. The big news is that my phone is as fast as her phone on everything we use it for with one exception (camera readiness). But then my camera can take pics that she can't.

    CPU Speed stopped being real news to consumers - years ago!

    On the other hand wifi and modem speed are something else. Reception is something else. Battery life is something else. Charging is something else. The camera versatility is something else etc

    It might be wise to consider these aspects before becoming obfuscated with CPU speed.

    Ah yes, more bullshit from the shill.

    Were talking about processors. As in CPUs and GPUs. And as your history shows, you always try to weasel in WiF or modem speed and pretend that it has a bigger impact on performance than a CPU/GPU.

    Nothing pisses off trolls more than talking about Apple processors. They can’t stand that Apple is vastly superior.
    No. We are talking about SoCs! Which include modems, WiFi chipsets, DSP/ISP etc
  • Reply 17 of 64
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:

    avon b7 said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Nope

    Both the Kirin 970 and the Kirin 980 were formally presented at IFA 2017 and IFA 2018 respectively.

    These are not 'announcements' but official launches of the new SoCs. The reason the launches are not tied to a product presentation is that Kirins end up in much more than typical mobile devices. 

    IFA is usually held in August. Logically, the SoC becomes official at launch and if there are firsts involved, they get mentioned.

    This clearly irritates you for some reason as you continually jump on these stories. It shouldn't irritate you. It's how things work and there is no mystery involved.
    WTF.

    Apple actually delivered iPhones with A12's in volume 30 days before Huawei delivered the P20 series, so "launch" dates mean diddly. I argued with you at the time that Huawei was in fact following Apple's TMSC production, which is, as again in this case, absolutely true. Why else would Huawei have held back delivering the P20's? If they did, It would demonstrate how poor their logistics were.

    WTF as much as you like. It won't change anything.

    Intel launches new processors. No one doubts they exist and have been launched. No one claims they only exist once they appear in a product. That's crazy.

    That's what happens with HiSilicon/Huawei. The difference is that in this case the first shipping end product is reserved exclusively for Huawei and Huawei products run to a schedule that depends on many other factors - not only SoC availability.

    That's why, to give you a clear example, sites such as Anandtech make clear in their references to the A12 for example that it was the first commercial 7nm SoC.

    What grates on you is that Huawei dares use the word 'first'. I'm sorry for you.

    It's not even that important given the difference in shipping products from both vendors, but there you go....

    No, your point at that time was that Huawei was in production with the 980 first, which was absolutely false. You don't seem to understand that Huawei was showing the 980 SOC from a tape out, not from an actual production run, and you were arguing that to create the impression that Huawei was on an equal footing with Apple at TMSC. 

    At that time, Apple had been in production on the A12 at TMSC for months, in order to get enough A12's for iPhone delivery's in September. 

    I reiterate. If Huawei was first on that 7nm production, then why did they delay the delivery of the P20 series until after the iPhone was launched?

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  • Reply 18 of 64
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,665member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:

    avon b7 said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Nope

    Both the Kirin 970 and the Kirin 980 were formally presented at IFA 2017 and IFA 2018 respectively.

    These are not 'announcements' but official launches of the new SoCs. The reason the launches are not tied to a product presentation is that Kirins end up in much more than typical mobile devices. 

    IFA is usually held in August. Logically, the SoC becomes official at launch and if there are firsts involved, they get mentioned.

    This clearly irritates you for some reason as you continually jump on these stories. It shouldn't irritate you. It's how things work and there is no mystery involved.
    WTF.

    Apple actually delivered iPhones with A12's in volume 30 days before Huawei delivered the P20 series, so "launch" dates mean diddly. I argued with you at the time that Huawei was in fact following Apple's TMSC production, which is, as again in this case, absolutely true. Why else would Huawei have held back delivering the P20's? If they did, It would demonstrate how poor their logistics were.

    WTF as much as you like. It won't change anything.

    Intel launches new processors. No one doubts they exist and have been launched. No one claims they only exist once they appear in a product. That's crazy.

    That's what happens with HiSilicon/Huawei. The difference is that in this case the first shipping end product is reserved exclusively for Huawei and Huawei products run to a schedule that depends on many other factors - not only SoC availability.

    That's why, to give you a clear example, sites such as Anandtech make clear in their references to the A12 for example that it was the first commercial 7nm SoC.

    What grates on you is that Huawei dares use the word 'first'. I'm sorry for you.

    It's not even that important given the difference in shipping products from both vendors, but there you go....

    No, your point at that time was that Huawei was in production with the 980 first, which was absolutely false. You don't seem to understand that Huawei was showing the 980 SOC from a tape out, not from an actual production run, and you were arguing that to create the impression that Huawei was on an equal footing with Apple at TMSC. 

    At that time, Apple had been in production on the A12 at TMSC for months, in order to get enough A12's for iPhone delivery's in September. 

    I reiterate. If Huawei was first on that 7nm production, then why did they delay the delivery of the P20 series until after the iPhone was launched?

    No. The Kirin 980 was sitting there on a development board right there at IFA!

    It was the whole shebang ready for development.

    It had been in mass production in parallel to the A12! IIRC since around April/May. Like is rumoured to be happening now.

    Kirin 980:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2018/04/07/huawei-to-commence-mass-production-of-7nm-process-kirin-980-this-quarter/

    Kirin 985:

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/04/15/huawei-kirin-985-q2-2019-tsmc-7nm-euv/

    Rumours, rumours ...

    And the Mate 20 Series was not 'delayed'. It shipped in accordance to Huawei's plans.
    edited May 2019
  • Reply 19 of 64
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,876member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Last year's 980 was about the same die size as the A12, and near the same transistor count, with the A12 again having about a  20% edge in performance. I don't expect that differential to change much this round. The big question in everyone's mind: will Huawei double down on another benchmark cheat?

    There won’t be anything big from Huawei this year. They (and Qualcomm) got lucky last year in that ARM finished their A76 core design in time to coincide with TSMC 7nm production. The “stars aligned” as they say, and that’s why the Kirin 980 was good (though still behind Apple).

    This year there’s no new ARM cores to use, so all they can hope for are minor improvements from the slight change that N7 Pro will bring to their existing cores.

    Meanwhile Apple gets the upgrade from N7 along with whatever changes they make to their custom cores. Nobody is going to touch the A13 this year, or well into 2020.
    You mean Balong 5000, Tiangang, Ascend and the world's fastest wi-fi chipset from Huawei weren't big?

    The chipset on my phone is a full generation behind my wife's A12. The big news is that my phone is as fast as her phone on everything we use it for with one exception (camera readiness). But then my camera can take pics that she can't.

    CPU Speed stopped being real news to consumers - years ago!

    On the other hand wifi and modem speed are something else. Reception is something else. Battery life is something else. Charging is something else. The camera versatility is something else etc

    It might be wise to consider these aspects before becoming obfuscated with CPU speed.

    Ah yes, more bullshit from the shill.

    Were talking about processors. As in CPUs and GPUs. And as your history shows, you always try to weasel in WiF or modem speed and pretend that it has a bigger impact on performance than a CPU/GPU.

    Nothing pisses off trolls more than talking about Apple processors. They can’t stand that Apple is vastly superior.
    So true. Why do they even bother coming here just to play pretend? Such a mystery. 
    fastasleepericthehalfbeewilliamlondonnetmage
  • Reply 20 of 64
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,876member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:

    avon b7 said:
    Huawei will make another “announcement” just before the next iPhone releases claiming they have the worlds first N7 processor in the world.
    Nope

    Both the Kirin 970 and the Kirin 980 were formally presented at IFA 2017 and IFA 2018 respectively.

    These are not 'announcements' but official launches of the new SoCs. The reason the launches are not tied to a product presentation is that Kirins end up in much more than typical mobile devices. 

    IFA is usually held in August. Logically, the SoC becomes official at launch and if there are firsts involved, they get mentioned.

    This clearly irritates you for some reason as you continually jump on these stories. It shouldn't irritate you. It's how things work and there is no mystery involved.
    WTF.

    Apple actually delivered iPhones with A12's in volume 30 days before Huawei delivered the P20 series, so "launch" dates mean diddly. I argued with you at the time that Huawei was in fact following Apple's TMSC production, which is, as again in this case, absolutely true. Why else would Huawei have held back delivering the P20's? If they did, It would demonstrate how poor their logistics were.

    WTF as much as you like. It won't change anything.

    Intel launches new processors. No one doubts they exist and have been launched. No one claims they only exist once they appear in a product. That's crazy.

    That's what happens with HiSilicon/Huawei. The difference is that in this case the first shipping end product is reserved exclusively for Huawei and Huawei products run to a schedule that depends on many other factors - not only SoC availability.

    That's why, to give you a clear example, sites such as Anandtech make clear in their references to the A12 for example that it was the first commercial 7nm SoC.

    What grates on you is that Huawei dares use the word 'first'. I'm sorry for you.

    It's not even that important given the difference in shipping products from both vendors, but there you go....

    Nope. If they don’t ship, they aren’t first. Who are you trying to bullshit here? Your chinese CCP-run knockoff shop can claim whatever the hell they like, but if it doesn’t ship in a real product it’s completely irrelevant. 
    edited May 2019 seanjfastasleepericthehalfbeewilliamlondonnetmage
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