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  • Reply 21 of 49
    sirozhasirozha Posts: 801member
    wood1208 said:
    Made in China ? What you expect !!
    Apple makes EVERYTHING in China. 
    dysamoriaGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 22 of 49
    sirozhasirozha Posts: 801member
    ivanh said:
    kkqd1337 said:
    i currently 'trust' google to look after my router
    Is that enough?
    Are you using any Wi-Fi Smart Plugs or smart lights that require you to log in their Wi-Fi network for connection before asking you to tender your Wi-Fi password, or requiring you to create a cloud account to Manage those devices? 
    Are you using any devices owned by a China- or Shenzhen-based company? 
    Have you connected those devices or accessories via Google Home or Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa or Apple HomeKit?
    Then good luck on you.
    Where is the country of Shenzhen located? 
  • Reply 23 of 49
    racerhomie3racerhomie3 Posts: 1,264member
    sirozha said:
    ivanh said:
    kkqd1337 said:
    i currently 'trust' google to look after my router
    Is that enough?
    Are you using any Wi-Fi Smart Plugs or smart lights that require you to log in their Wi-Fi network for connection before asking you to tender your Wi-Fi password, or requiring you to create a cloud account to Manage those devices? 
    Are you using any devices owned by a China- or Shenzhen-based company? 
    Have you connected those devices or accessories via Google Home or Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa or Apple HomeKit?
    Then good luck on you.
    Where is the country of Shenzhen located? 
    Shenzhen is in China, the place where original iPhones are assembled(put together), the place where a lot of American Intellectual Property is stolen.You will also find the 50 cent army trying to defend this theft on public forums, like Appleinsider, macrumors, 9to5mac etc.
    edited May 2019 StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 49
    Christos SChristos S Posts: 5unconfirmed, member
    Routers stay connected to the internet 24x7 but they get no security updates like other connected devices. Each router gets 1-2 firmware updates until the company moves to the newer model. This is the reason I chose airport routers and then moved to synology, which constantly updates their routers with patches.
    mobirdwatto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 49
    mr lizardmr lizard Posts: 354member
    Why even have Everyone set on your AirDorp in the first place?


    I can never, never get AirDrop to reliably work when I have it set to Contacts Only. If there’s even the slightest difference in the other user’s contact info and what’s stored in my address book, it just doesn’t work for me. This has been the case over several years with different iOS and Mac products. 

    Setting it to Everyone resolves the issue for me. 
    StrangeDaysdysamoriapscooter63
  • Reply 26 of 49
    I always change the default password to the same as I have on my luggage to keep it secure.
    beowulfschmidtwatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 49
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,801member
    sirozha said:
    wood1208 said:
    Made in China ? What you expect !!
    Apple makes EVERYTHING in China. 
    Not the Mac Pro...
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 49
    bellsbells Posts: 140member
    sirozha said:
    ivanh said:
    kkqd1337 said:
    i currently 'trust' google to look after my router
    Is that enough?
    Are you using any Wi-Fi Smart Plugs or smart lights that require you to log in their Wi-Fi network for connection before asking you to tender your Wi-Fi password, or requiring you to create a cloud account to Manage those devices? 
    Are you using any devices owned by a China- or Shenzhen-based company? 
    Have you connected those devices or accessories via Google Home or Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa or Apple HomeKit?
    Then good luck on you.
    Where is the country of Shenzhen located? 
    Shenzhen is in China, the place where original iPhones are assembled(put together), the place where a lot of American Intellectual Property is stolen.You will also find the 50 cent army trying to defend this theft on public forums, like Appleinsider, macrumors, 9to5mac etc.
    I think the theft is despicable, but it is hard to feel bad for companies like Apple. They knowingly moved there despite the preceding rich history of Chinese IP theft. Instead of scaling back when the Chinese have made little effort to correct the issue, company like Apple have went all in. 

  • Reply 29 of 49
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    macxpress said:
    sirozha said:
    wood1208 said:
    Made in China ? What you expect !!
    Apple makes EVERYTHING in China. 
    Not the Mac Pro…
    The Mac Pro is still made in China. You're talking about final assembly and maybe the location they extrude the casing and some other basic structural components. You can't get away from China if you have complex CE, especially if you want to manufacturer at a high production rate. The next stop for Apple is India, not the US, to make hundreds of  millions of iPhone in a given year.
    edited May 2019 dysamoriaGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 30 of 49
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,844member
    lkrupp said:
    Get a grip people. Reads the first sentence. What does it say?

    "exposes routers that haven't had their default passwords changed”

    So this is actually a Darwin award for those idiots who never changed the default password of their router. I would imagine any router used with the default password would be vulnerable to some sort of exploit. That’s the very first thing I do when configuring a router... change the damn password it shipped with. Duh....
    Oh look, another user-blamer. Sorry my guy, but my SO’s mother doesn’t know the first thing about changing her router’s password, or that is different than the wifi network’s password, etc etc. Non techies don’t understand this stuff and that doesn’t make them idiots. Get real. It’s the product’s job to anticipate this. I’m certain you know jack-all about some other topic, like cars, or C#, or specialist medicine...doesn’t make you an idiot, now does it?

    Ditch the hate. You sound like a PC guy. 
    edited May 2019 dysamoria
  • Reply 31 of 49
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,844member
    mike54 said:
    I also a fan of the Apple AirPort line. The modem/router is the gateway to the internet for nearly every home (barring mobile and wifi), so I think Apple was very wrong to let it languish along with all the engineering knowledge. Apple's profitability is through the internet, and to have a vital product that, in most cases, is in a highly visible location in the home was significant and valuable, much more so that the current HomePod. Many in Apple would also think the same.
    Unless nobody was buying them. If ISPs give out free routers fewer and fewer customers perceive a reason to pay 200 bucks for what they already have, etc. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 49
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    wood1208 said:
    Made in China ? What you expect !!
    Everything is made in China. There’s so much manufacturing in China that the whole “it’s all cheap garbage” meme is entirely irrelevant to the current situation. Yes, there’s garbage. No, it’s not garbage BECAUSE it’s made in China. You know that most (if not all) of your Apple products are made in China, right?
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 33 of 49
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    lkrupp said:
    Get a grip people. Reads the first sentence. What does it say?

    "exposes routers that haven't had their default passwords changed”

    So this is actually a Darwin award for those idiots who never changed the default password of their router. I would imagine any router used with the default password would be vulnerable to some sort of exploit. That’s the very first thing I do when configuring a router... change the damn password it shipped with. Duh....
    Oh look, another user-blamer. Sorry my guy, but my SO’s mother doesn’t know the first thing about changing her router’s password, or that is different than the wifi network’s password, etc etc. Non techies don’t understand this stuff and that doesn’t make them idiots. Get real. It’s the product’s job to anticipate this. I’m certain you know jack-all about some other topic, like cars, or C#, or specialist medicine...doesn’t make you an idiot, now does it?

    Ditch the hate. You sound like a PC guy. 
    No, he sounds like himself.

    EXCELLENT response otherwise! Only reason I didn’t write the same was that I didn’t want to waste my time trying to change the minds of tech geeks who think every person should be a tech geek too.
  • Reply 34 of 49
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    sirozha said:
    ivanh said:
    kkqd1337 said:
    i currently 'trust' google to look after my router
    Is that enough?
    Are you using any Wi-Fi Smart Plugs or smart lights that require you to log in their Wi-Fi network for connection before asking you to tender your Wi-Fi password, or requiring you to create a cloud account to Manage those devices? 
    Are you using any devices owned by a China- or Shenzhen-based company? 
    Have you connected those devices or accessories via Google Home or Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa or Apple HomeKit?
    Then good luck on you.
    Where is the country of Shenzhen located? 
    Shenzhen is in China, the place where original iPhones are assembled(put together), the place where a lot of American Intellectual Property is stolen.You will also find the 50 cent army trying to defend this theft on public forums, like Appleinsider, macrumors, 9to5mac etc.
    Yeh, that's what the propaganda tells us.... 
    USA!   USA!    USA! 
    edited May 2019
  • Reply 35 of 49
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    mike54 said:
    I also a fan of the Apple AirPort line. The modem/router is the gateway to the internet for nearly every home (barring mobile and wifi), so I think Apple was very wrong to let it languish along with all the engineering knowledge. Apple's profitability is through the internet, and to have a vital product that, in most cases, is in a highly visible location in the home was significant and valuable, much more so that the current HomePod. Many in Apple would also think the same.
    Unless nobody was buying them. If ISPs give out free routers fewer and fewer customers perceive a reason to pay 200 bucks for what they already have, etc. 
    Comcast SHOULD give out their routers for free since they use them to broadcast their hotspots.  But they don't.

    Same with Verizon FiOS.

    (my apologies if my information is out of date -- I bought my own equipment years ago and haven't rented a router since)
  • Reply 36 of 49
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    lkrupp said:
    Get a grip people. Reads the first sentence. What does it say?

    "exposes routers that haven't had their default passwords changed”

    So this is actually a Darwin award for those idiots who never changed the default password of their router. I would imagine any router used with the default password would be vulnerable to some sort of exploit. That’s the very first thing I do when configuring a router... change the damn password it shipped with. Duh....
    Oh look, another user-blamer. Sorry my guy, but my SO’s mother doesn’t know the first thing about changing her router’s password, or that is different than the wifi network’s password, etc etc. Non techies don’t understand this stuff and that doesn’t make them idiots. Get real. It’s the product’s job to anticipate this. I’m certain you know jack-all about some other topic, like cars, or C#, or specialist medicine...doesn’t make you an idiot, now does it?

    Ditch the hate. You sound like a PC guy. 
    sorry, but if your mother doesn't know enough to change a default password, she shouldn't be setting up a router.  10-20 years ago maybe, but not now.   Today, it is regarded as basic knowledge that even grade school kids take for granted.

    On the other hand, I have friends who live by the Alfred E. Neuman philosophy of "What?  Me Worry?"  (What could possibly go wrong?)
    edited May 2019 DAalseth
  • Reply 37 of 49
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,911member
    DAalseth said:
    Of course if someone does not change the default ID and PW the router is wide open to anyone to do anything. Someone stealing the logs of systems that connected would the least of your worries.
    lkrupp said:
    Get a grip people. Reads the first sentence. What does it say?

    "exposes routers that haven't had their default passwords changed”

    So this is actually a Darwin award for those idiots who never changed the default password of their router. I would imagine any router used with the default password would be vulnerable to some sort of exploit. That’s the very first thing I do when configuring a router... change the damn password it shipped with. Duh....
    Oh look, another user-blamer. Sorry my guy, but my SO’s mother doesn’t know the first thing about changing her router’s password, or that is different than the wifi network’s password, etc etc. Non techies don’t understand this stuff and that doesn’t make them idiots. Get real. It’s the product’s job to anticipate this. I’m certain you know jack-all about some other topic, like cars, or C#, or specialist medicine...doesn’t make you an idiot, now does it?

    Ditch the hate. You sound like a PC guy. 
    Does she bother to read directions? All the instructions I've read tell you to change your password.

    Given the frequency of problems like this, manufacturers should program the equipment to force users to change the password before they can use it. At least try to protect people from their own stupidity/ignorance.
  • Reply 38 of 49
    bbhbbh Posts: 134member
    Someone posted..."And I think the Extreme supports both a printer and speaker (not a disk) for wireless access." INCORRECT. They support USB drives quite well. That is when it is functioning properly. I had to retire my beloved Extreme when the USB ports started malfunctioning. I went with the Linksys MESH system for basic wifi srvice throughout the house. Mostly satisfied with it.
  • Reply 39 of 49
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,031member
    lkrupp said:
    Get a grip people. Reads the first sentence. What does it say?

    "exposes routers that haven't had their default passwords changed”

    So this is actually a Darwin award for those idiots who never changed the default password of their router. I would imagine any router used with the default password would be vulnerable to some sort of exploit. That’s the very first thing I do when configuring a router... change the damn password it shipped with. Duh....
    Oh look, another user-blamer. Sorry my guy, but my SO’s mother doesn’t know the first thing about changing her router’s password, or that is different than the wifi network’s password, etc etc. Non techies don’t understand this stuff and that doesn’t make them idiots. Get real. It’s the product’s job to anticipate this. I’m certain you know jack-all about some other topic, like cars, or C#, or specialist medicine...doesn’t make you an idiot, now does it?

    Ditch the hate. You sound like a PC guy. 
    I disagree. People who buy these products must accept minimal responsibility. 

    If you get behind the wheel of a car, the car manufacturer does not have the responsibility to ensure you know how to drive. 

    Minimal competence is all that is required. If a consumer does not have minimal competence they have no business using the product. 
  • Reply 40 of 49
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    larryjw said:
    lkrupp said:
    Get a grip people. Reads the first sentence. What does it say?

    "exposes routers that haven't had their default passwords changed”

    So this is actually a Darwin award for those idiots who never changed the default password of their router. I would imagine any router used with the default password would be vulnerable to some sort of exploit. That’s the very first thing I do when configuring a router... change the damn password it shipped with. Duh....
    Oh look, another user-blamer. Sorry my guy, but my SO’s mother doesn’t know the first thing about changing her router’s password, or that is different than the wifi network’s password, etc etc. Non techies don’t understand this stuff and that doesn’t make them idiots. Get real. It’s the product’s job to anticipate this. I’m certain you know jack-all about some other topic, like cars, or C#, or specialist medicine...doesn’t make you an idiot, now does it?

    Ditch the hate. You sound like a PC guy. 
    I disagree. People who buy these products must accept minimal responsibility. 

    If you get behind the wheel of a car, the car manufacturer does not have the responsibility to ensure you know how to drive. 

    Minimal competence is all that is required. If a consumer does not have minimal competence they have no business using the product. 
    Car manufacturers and dealerships have to validate, verify, and ensure a lot more things than any router company because people care owners don't understand the equipment they're using. Every automobile I've ever purchased REQUIRED my driver's license and insurance before I could purchase, and it had to be current.

    We all assume a great many things about the SAFETY of my automobile without actually verifying it because I don't have neither the knowledge nor experience to even begin know what to look for in my own inspection, much less of what to even ask. You might kick the tires like a dumbass or check for scratches or odd sounds, but that's about it. We just assume that the very simple ratings about safety and reliability are above board.

    So why say that a nonagenarian should have an in-depth understand of a router login and a WiFI login, WPA2 and WEP, the numbers for various ports that may need to be opened, whether they need TCP and/or UDP, etc. My career has been studying networks and security and I don't remember it all. What should be done is the initial setup fo the router requires you change the device password before it allows you to set up WiFI… and there many quality products on the market that do just that.
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