Apple in 'advanced talks' to buy Intel's mobile modem business

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  • Reply 21 of 34
    bsimpsenbsimpsen Posts: 399member
    Samsung, Qualcomm, Huawei and perhaps others are able to integrate their modems into the same silicon as their processors. Apple can't currently do that, as they have no native cellular design ready. Until they do, they're stuck producing iPhones with a cellular chip bolted to the A-family SOC. By chip count alone, that increases cost, power consumption and PCB area.

    It makes sense for Apple to both accelerate internal modem development and bulk up their defensive IP position. The end goal is for an A-family SOC with 5G on-chip. There is no way for Apple to do this but on their own.
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  • Reply 22 of 34
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,442member
    That may also explain why an ARM Mac is out of question. Licence x86 instead of letting the Mac platform shift entirely to ARM. Just an uneducated guess...
    They don't need to license x86 they just need to license the bus between the x86 and the platform hub.
    Then Apple T series takes over full platform duties on every mac including iGPU and all they need from intel is just pure x86 cores.
  • Reply 23 of 34
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    That may also explain why an ARM Mac is out of question. Licence x86 instead of letting the Mac platform shift entirely to ARM. Just an uneducated guess...
    License an architecture that Intel hasn’t been able to move forward for the past six years?

    Yup, they’ll get right on that. 
  • Reply 24 of 34
    applesauce007applesauce007 Posts: 1,702member
    This is very good news.
    This will help Apple hit the ground running with engineers and technology.

  • Reply 25 of 34
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,442member
    bsimpsen said:
    Samsung, Qualcomm, Huawei and perhaps others are able to integrate their modems into the same silicon as their processors. Apple can't currently do that, as they have no native cellular design ready. Until they do, they're stuck producing iPhones with a cellular chip bolted to the A-family SOC. By chip count alone, that increases cost, power consumption and PCB area.

    It makes sense for Apple to both accelerate internal modem development and bulk up their defensive IP position. The end goal is for an A-family SOC with 5G on-chip. There is no way for Apple to do this but on their own.
    What they really need is 4G on chip with interface to 5G/6G.
    5G/6G on chip can follow down the track if you consider that variations will be needed between Watch and Macbook scale.

    Betterer still Apple add (what a field array) processor to the Aseries so it is only a matter of software and antenas. 
  • Reply 26 of 34
    Intel bought Infineon Technologies wireless modem business in 2010 for $1.4 billion.
    Apple will likely have to pay north of $1 billion for it now but I think Apple will achieve much more with it than Intel.

    Good for Apple, Good for the engineers, Good for the Infineon modem technology.

    edited July 2019
  • Reply 27 of 34
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    That may also explain why an ARM Mac is out of question. Licence x86 instead of letting the Mac platform shift entirely to ARM. Just an uneducated guess...
    Your right.
  • Reply 28 of 34
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    Bad deal even for $1, effectively Infineon mobile changes owner for the second time in a few years ...
  • Reply 29 of 34
    GG1GG1 Posts: 483member
    Intel bought Infineon Technologies wireless modem business in 2010 for $1.4 billion.
    Apple will likely have to pay north of $1 billion for it now but I think Apple will achieve much more with it than Intel.

    Good for Apple, Good for the engineers, Good for the Infineon modem technology.

    Infineon was well-respected in the 2000's, up there with the likes of Motorola and Qualcomm for modems.

    Under Apple's leadership, if an Apple modem chip emerges, it will enable far more Apple devices to have 3G/4G/5G connectivity, as ubiquitous as wifi is today (think all iPads, MacBooks, and Macs/iMacs).
  • Reply 30 of 34
    macplusplusmacplusplus Posts: 2,115member
    knowitall said:
    That may also explain why an ARM Mac is out of question. Licence x86 instead of letting the Mac platform shift entirely to ARM. Just an uneducated guess...
    Your right.
    Better than having faith in urban legends...
  • Reply 31 of 34
    1st1st Posts: 443member
    good to know finally the vertical integration is in focus for performance improvement and cost cutting - short cut for  apple to achieve its superiority (much easy on design and  platform if you control at components level - not  rely on someone else' roadmap).  1B is a steal.  Long term benefit is far reach (provide Apple can integrate the intel team well ;-).  IMHO.  
  • Reply 32 of 34
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    Intel bought Infineon Technologies wireless modem business in 2010 for $1.4 billion.
    Apple will likely have to pay north of $1 billion for it now but I think Apple will achieve much more with it than Intel.

    Good for Apple, Good for the engineers, Good for the Infineon modem technology.

    Not if Intel is losing 1 Billion a year.
    edited July 2019
  • Reply 33 of 34
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    knowitall said:
    That may also explain why an ARM Mac is out of question. Licence x86 instead of letting the Mac platform shift entirely to ARM. Just an uneducated guess...
    Your right.
    Better than having faith in urban legends...
    Which one? I believe in many.
  • Reply 34 of 34
    Apple is forced to become their own supplier, to avoid Qualcomm dropping the soap...

    Apple only likes monopolies when it’s their monopoly...
    Every company has a monopoly on their own products!...
       Apple has a monopoly on the iPhone!, not on the mobile phones.
       Apple has a monopoly on the Ax processors they design, not on Arm processors in mobile devices.
       Apple has a monopoly on iOS, iPadOS, MacOS... not on mobile OSes.
       Apple might have a monopoly on their in-house developed (or purchased) 5G solutions, not on others 5G solutions...
    The term monopoly is generally used to define a monopoly in an entire industry area. Think, Standard Oil (oil industry), AT&T (telecom).
    AppleExposed
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