Hmm, US and UK television shows Iraqi POWs. As soon as Iraq does the same, the US defense secretary is up in arms about it contravening the Geneva convention...
I remember the videos from the previous war. And remember their return...but this war is actually very different. Don't believe anything the middle east says. As like ourselves, they won't give you the truth until they believe it's worth it.
We may have had a turncoat soldier in Kuwait...now that is new. I have no idea how or why this would happen...totally baffled.
Rumsfeld was on CNN. Didn't give much, just that the Iraqi regime will fall, no information...blah, blah, blah.
God, what a mess. The regime may fall but I think this invasion will take much more time and effort (and lives) than before.
Hmm, US and UK television shows Iraqi POWs. As soon as Iraq does the same, the US defense secretary is up in arms about it contravening the Geneva convention...
I haven't seen the videos, but Rumsfeld was complaining about the POWs being shown on TV. There's a line in the Geneva convention on treatment of POWs about protecting them from "public curiousity" that Rumsfeld must have been talking about. I've several times seen footage of Iraqi POWs with their hands tied and laying on the ground, etc. That was wrong.
Iraqi forces have paraded what they say are five captured US soldiers on television. They also allowed a TV film crew to record pictures of five bodies said to be Americans.
Satellite network Al Jazeera took the pictures at Nasiriyah in southern Iraq. The prisoners, including a woman, said they were from the US Army's 507 Maintenance unit.
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the television footage was a violation of the Geneva Convention.
Yeah nevermind that the reports are saying that the dead solidiers on Al Jazeera had been shot in the head execution style, displayed by a supposed grinning man who was obviously (to the reporters) proud and happy at this. And that the two wounded/live soldiers were being "interviewed" against their will, showing their faces etc for propaghanda purposes. The inteviewer even held up the wounded man's head to have him talk into the mic. Also keep in mind that this airing was promised to the public hours prior to make sure that everyone knew it was coming that they would watch it.
Far cry from the guys on the ground with plastic cuffs being filmed from a distance immediately after capture in a firefight. Iraqi POWs will be treated humanely can you safely say the same for Coaltion POWs? I fear not.
It's amazing to me how knee-jerk people are, and how they like to deflect the situation to something that suits their particular cause, glazing over the real issues at hand. In most cases it seems to be less anti-war than anti-bush administration and seems childish and disconserting.
So much for WOMD...... don't you think Saddam would have used them by now???
Where, in the middle of the desert? They wouldn't make strategic or tactical sense yet. Remember that Hussein thinks he can squirm out of this, so he has incentive in his head still not to use them. If he is going to use them, it will be in Baghdad, with coalition military in tight proximity to one another and when there's no other means of escape, or if it appears that the end of his regime is inevitable, when there's nothing to lose.
So much for WOMD...... don't you think Saddam would have used them by now???
OK, one....they weren't part of a uniformed army. We have a real case for that.
Even trying to make this argument in this thread is inappropriate. Iraq is in clear and undeniable breech of the convention. Problem, is WTF do we do about it?
On and your last point: You don;t see weapons so they don't exist? Nice 3rd century logic there.
OMG, I was poking around the Al-Jazeera web site and came upon pictures of one US soldier shot in the head. The picture is very very graphic. I have such a sick feeling now. I can't believe they would post something like that.
I dont want to go back to that link, but I am interested in what the front page of the site is saying about the war. Is there a way to translate the whole page while viewing & browsing?
So much for WOMD...... don't you think Saddam would have used them by now??? [/B]
nope. if they use them, then the world will turn against them, since it would prove they had WOMD. i think Rumsfiled or a military person or military expert said this. makes sense to me
i hope this makes sense, sorry really tired right now
Perhaps you haven't seen footage of captured and dead Iraqi soldiers on American television, taken by US and UK television crews. \
nope. read this article.
"Under the Geneva Convention, it's illegal to do things with prisoners of war that are humiliating to those individuals. And the United
States, of course, avoids showing photographs of prisoners of war. We have thousands of Iraqi prisoners that are in POW camps that we brought along and have erected in country. But we ... avoid showing photographs of them," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on NBC's Meet the Press.
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(okay, the executions weren't cool though)
I remember the videos from the previous war. And remember their return...but this war is actually very different. Don't believe anything the middle east says. As like ourselves, they won't give you the truth until they believe it's worth it.
We may have had a turncoat soldier in Kuwait...now that is new. I have no idea how or why this would happen...totally baffled.
Rumsfeld was on CNN. Didn't give much, just that the Iraqi regime will fall, no information...blah, blah, blah.
God, what a mess. The regime may fall but I think this invasion will take much more time and effort (and lives) than before.
Originally posted by RodUK
Hmm, US and UK television shows Iraqi POWs. As soon as Iraq does the same, the US defense secretary is up in arms about it contravening the Geneva convention...
(okay, the executions weren't cool though)
What are you talking about?
Originally posted by groverat
What are you talking about?
Err,
Iraqi forces have paraded what they say are five captured US soldiers on television. They also allowed a TV film crew to record pictures of five bodies said to be Americans.
Satellite network Al Jazeera took the pictures at Nasiriyah in southern Iraq. The prisoners, including a woman, said they were from the US Army's 507 Maintenance unit.
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the television footage was a violation of the Geneva Convention.
ITN News
Perhaps you haven't seen footage of captured and dead Iraqi soldiers on American television, taken by US and UK television crews.
Far cry from the guys on the ground with plastic cuffs being filmed from a distance immediately after capture in a firefight. Iraqi POWs will be treated humanely can you safely say the same for Coaltion POWs? I fear not.
For reference heres the Articles of the Third Geneva Convention...
It's amazing to me how knee-jerk people are, and how they like to deflect the situation to something that suits their particular cause, glazing over the real issues at hand. In most cases it seems to be less anti-war than anti-bush administration and seems childish and disconserting.
Originally posted by Scott
I fully expect the anti-american "human rights" groups to be mute about this.
So you don't think groups like amnesty have been vocal about Saddams breach of Human Rights?
linky
they beat up a maintenance unit.
impressive.
Originally posted by New
So you don't think groups like amnesty have been vocal about Saddams breach of Human Rights?
New, what are you trying to do, shatter his veil of ignorance??!?
As soon as Iraq does the same, the US defense secretary is up in arms about it contravening the Geneva convention
The same? What's "the same"?
As the all-party Commons human rights group demanded a meeting with the US ambassador, William Farish, one senior minister, described the treatment of the prisoners as "monstrous". The minister said there was no basis in law for the Americans to deny the suspects their full rights under the Geneva convention by labelling them as unlawful combatants. "How can we claim that we are upholding decent values if prisoners are treated in this way?" the minister asked.
So much for WOMD...... don't you think Saddam would have used them by now???
Where, in the middle of the desert? They wouldn't make strategic or tactical sense yet. Remember that Hussein thinks he can squirm out of this, so he has incentive in his head still not to use them. If he is going to use them, it will be in Baghdad, with coalition military in tight proximity to one another and when there's no other means of escape, or if it appears that the end of his regime is inevitable, when there's nothing to lose.
Originally posted by Crustibooga
It's absolutely terrible!!! Maybe now the USA will ease up at Camp X-Ray?
As the all-party Commons human rights group demanded a meeting with the US ambassador, William Farish, one senior minister, described the treatment of the prisoners as "monstrous". The minister said there was no basis in law for the Americans to deny the suspects their full rights under the Geneva convention by labelling them as unlawful combatants. "How can we claim that we are upholding decent values if prisoners are treated in this way?" the minister asked.
So much for WOMD...... don't you think Saddam would have used them by now???
OK, one....they weren't part of a uniformed army. We have a real case for that.
Even trying to make this argument in this thread is inappropriate. Iraq is in clear and undeniable breech of the convention. Problem, is WTF do we do about it?
On and your last point: You don;t see weapons so they don't exist? Nice 3rd century logic there.
I dont want to go back to that link, but I am interested in what the front page of the site is saying about the war. Is there a way to translate the whole page while viewing & browsing?
Originally posted by Crustibooga
So much for WOMD...... don't you think Saddam would have used them by now???
nope. if they use them, then the world will turn against them, since it would prove they had WOMD. i think Rumsfiled or a military person or military expert said this. makes sense to me
i hope this makes sense, sorry really tired right now
Originally posted by RodUK
Err,
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Perhaps you haven't seen footage of captured and dead Iraqi soldiers on American television, taken by US and UK television crews.
nope. read this article.
"Under the Geneva Convention, it's illegal to do things with prisoners of war that are humiliating to those individuals. And the United
States, of course, avoids showing photographs of prisoners of war. We have thousands of Iraqi prisoners that are in POW camps that we brought along and have erected in country. But we ... avoid showing photographs of them," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on NBC's Meet the Press.
filming pows