58mm is not a telephoto lens. This is a made up fantasy by Apple. It is just a standard lens. Just because it is longer then the typical 25 to 30mm phones have come with does not make it a telephoto. Tired of the marketing tactic that just keeps getting repeated. When Apple provides a 70mm or longer lens now what are they going to call that Supertelephoto?
Where did this nonsense come from? Quoting a post from another thread instead of just saying it yourself? You know, that doesn’t give it more credibility than the not credible post did in the first place.
Let me lay it out. Way back when, when making lenses was very hard to do well, it was decided that a lens whose focal length was the diagonal of the film, would give “normal” perspective (it turns out that that’s not entirely true, for reasons I’m not going to delve into here). In other words, pictures would look about the same as how we see,. So normal lenses were from about 45mm to about 58mm, depending on how much talent, time and money could be spent on it. The shorter lenses were harder to do.
but then people turned to 35mm, because photography changed, and most people were no longer taking half length shots of people, but rather group shots, and street shots and so starting around the 1970’s, “normal” moved closer to 35mm.
then a lot of people were putting the newer, faster 28mm lenses on instead.
with smartphones, because we can’t just change lenses, slightly wider lenses are afixed instead, because digital zoom (actually, cropping) has to start from the wide end, and people take a lot of indoor shots of a lot of people, or people close up. Additionally, landscapes are usually better with wider lenses, Images from which you can crop.
so, yes, for current smartphones, 26-28mm is “normal”, and 56 is tele. Will that change, maybe as cameras continue to evolve. but not now.
I don't care what features they add I'll never buy one
Because you're so important we give a fuck? Get your ego in check, ffs.
IKR? What an egotistical TROLL.
Move along, fucktard.
I think that when some people make stupid comments such as: “I’ll never buy that.” And leave it at that, without giving some reasonable explanation, they are trolling. There’s no doubt, particularly when they have a very low post count. When I was a global mod here for several years, I had to decide how to deal with it. Some people come here just for the purpose of trolling, by making some quick comment they know will frustrate, and anger members. Someone always decide to retaliate. Nothing wrong with that, it’s just how they retaliate.
Why did you use the word “shooter” in the headline? It seems really inappropriate.
Common use at the moment, unfortunately. People like to 'drop' money on something or a software released is 'dropped' instead of, well, released. And shooter for camera. I think they are supposed to be more dynamic, exciting or macho or something. Like you say, this one seems particularly inappropriate right now
Personally, I'd value FaceID more than a better camera in an iPad. Much more utility.
I was recently on a trip that included some of the most famous and most visited tourist attractions in Europe. Didn't see a single person taking pictures with an iPad.
Not "very popular" in my experience.
I see people doing it all the time at jazz concerts in New Orleans. These are older people, and they like being able to see easier in the big iPad viewfinder. Gruber of Daring Fireball has talked about it on his show many times and he's in Philadelphia. Get out more?
What’s the need for this? People don’t take pictures with their iPads
A lot of Android owners have iPads. iOS offers more convenience than Android in terms of shooting, editing and storing videos and photos.
I agree, iOS offers more editing options than the Android stores do. I think there's probably plenty of very good to excellent apps on both platforms but for sheer numbers and convenience iOS wins out.
Personally, I'd value FaceID more than a better camera in an iPad. Much more utility.
I was recently on a trip that included some of the most famous and most visited tourist attractions in Europe. Didn't see a single person taking pictures with an iPad.
Not "very popular" in my experience.
Obviously, the iPad is relatively unwieldy. But, with such a gorgeous and large display it makes a lot of sense to use it for images that you would like to work on immediately: markup, editing and so on. I can see some very clear use cases for this. And, yes, I’ve taken dozens (if not many more) photos on my iPad Air 2 over the years.
OK, I only do it in the privacy of my home, but I use the camera on my iPad. It is especially usual for eBay selling and taking pictures of receipts and documents.
Personally, I'd value FaceID more than a better camera in an iPad. Much more utility.
I was recently on a trip that included some of the most famous and most visited tourist attractions in Europe. Didn't see a single person taking pictures with an iPad.
Not "very popular" in my experience.
I see people doing it all the time at jazz concerts in New Orleans. These are older people, and they like being able to see easier in the big iPad viewfinder. Gruber of Daring Fireball has talked about it on his show many times and he's in Philadelphia. Get out more?
Five countries, eight cities, and places that garner tens of millions of visitors annually collectively.
Countless photos of people, places, and things taken. I don't consider myself a shutterbug, but I added about 2800 photos to my camera roll.
Saw people shooting with SLRs and compacts, but overwhelmingly with phones; not a single tablet. Not saying that doesn't occur, but as a feature, it's not going to drive sales or move the needle much, if at all, especially considering tablets have longer useful lives.
What’s the need for this? People don’t take pictures with their iPads
It’s all about AR.
And yes, people do take pics with iPad. People take pics with whatever device they have with them. When the iphone first came our, people said it took lousy pics and people wouldn’t take pics with it because they had a digital camera. Same logic.
The iPad is an AR looking glass. Until AR glasses arrive.
The biggest reason for not doing this IMO is what happens to every one that spent $200 on the Apple Keyboards and $100 folio cases. The new camera will make them obsolete. I can see if this change came after 2 or years but not one, too much investment.
The iPad Air will get a dual camera before the entry level model would.
Also, I’d be very surprised if the iPad Pros were updated so quickly. Next month would be unprecedented. March 2020 or even September 2020 (awaiting an A14X) make more sense to me but who knows?
I'll be glad when they update the iPad Pro so I can buy one. I have both sizes of the current model but the 11" started stuttering and ignoring screen presses every now and then, it happened immediately after installing iOS 12.2 No amount factory resets or updates fix it.
The 11 connected to the WiFi at work for 3 months and then suddenly claimed the password was wrong even though it was correct and my old iPad worked fine. So I took the opportunity to buy the 12.9 and that connected to the WiFi fine for about 3 months before saying the password was wrong. None of my other non pro iPads have this problem and no one else at work has it either. No one else has an iPad Pro.
What’s the need for this? People don’t take pictures with their iPads
As others have stated, yes they do.
I see a fair number of people using iPads for pictures on Instagram and Snapchat. And yes, they're often those kind of pictures.
Nonetheless, if one is doing the sort of work, having the camera and Photoshop/Affinity/Whatever on the same device makes it easy to shoot, adjust and publish.
Not enthused by this, I'd prefer Apple take steps to discourage people from using iPads to take photographs.
Who would that benefit? Besides people who will be blinded or permanently affected by some life altering affliction after viewing photographs taken with an iPad? I mean, those are a given, after all. /s
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Where did this nonsense come from? Quoting a post from another thread instead of just saying it yourself? You know, that doesn’t give it more credibility than the not credible post did in the first place.
but then people turned to 35mm, because photography changed, and most people were no longer taking half length shots of people, but rather group shots, and street shots and so starting around the 1970’s, “normal” moved closer to 35mm.
then a lot of people were putting the newer, faster 28mm lenses on instead.
with smartphones, because we can’t just change lenses, slightly wider lenses are afixed instead, because digital zoom (actually, cropping) has to start from the wide end, and people take a lot of indoor shots of a lot of people, or people close up. Additionally, landscapes are usually better with wider lenses, Images from which you can crop.
so, yes, for current smartphones, 26-28mm is “normal”, and 56 is tele. Will that change, maybe as cameras continue to evolve. but not now.
I think that when some people make stupid comments such as: “I’ll never buy that.” And leave it at that, without giving some reasonable explanation, they are trolling. There’s no doubt, particularly when they have a very low post count. When I was a global mod here for several years, I had to decide how to deal with it. Some people come here just for the purpose of trolling, by making some quick comment they know will frustrate, and anger members. Someone always decide to retaliate. Nothing wrong with that, it’s just how they retaliate.
I see people doing it all the time at jazz concerts in New Orleans. These are older people, and they like being able to see easier in the big iPad viewfinder. Gruber of Daring Fireball has talked about it on his show many times and he's in Philadelphia. Get out more?
But no, never ever in public.
And yes, people do take pics with iPad. People take pics with whatever device they have with them. When the iphone first came our, people said it took lousy pics and people wouldn’t take pics with it because they had a digital camera. Same logic.
Also, I’d be very surprised if the iPad Pros were updated so quickly. Next month would be unprecedented. March 2020 or even September 2020 (awaiting an A14X) make more sense to me but who knows?
I'll be glad when they update the iPad Pro so I can buy one.
I have both sizes of the current model but the 11" started stuttering and ignoring screen presses every now and then, it happened immediately after installing iOS 12.2
No amount factory resets or updates fix it.
The 11 connected to the WiFi at work for 3 months and then suddenly claimed the password was wrong even though it was correct and my old iPad worked fine.
So I took the opportunity to buy the 12.9 and that connected to the WiFi fine for about 3 months before saying the password was wrong. None of my other non pro iPads have this problem and no one else at work has it either. No one else has an iPad Pro.
I hope the new model has the problems sorted.
I see a fair number of people using iPads for pictures on Instagram and Snapchat. And yes, they're often those kind of pictures.
Nonetheless, if one is doing the sort of work, having the camera and Photoshop/Affinity/Whatever on the same device makes it easy to shoot, adjust and publish.
/s