So yes have a compelling argument.. the Hi Res/Lossless Audio is very appealing along with a better UI, but not at nearly $30.00 USD for a family plan.
Family
HiFi - $29.99 USD a month including up to 5 additional family members
totaling 6 on the account. Lossless High Fidelity sound quality, high
definition music videos, expertly curated editorial (prices vary
depending on geography and local currency)
Lower Res prices are the same as AM and Spotify... so is the search and UI that good that it's worth a one to one switch no better quality in Audio?
The price, that's exactly what happened to me, refraining me to make the move. What an irony, of all arguments it is *price* with this "I`ll-squeeze-every-cent-from-your-wallet" Apple of nowadays the reason to stay with them...
Surprisingly, Tidal website informed me the same you mention; at the moment I subscribed, real monthly price for hires service was $10 or $15 (single or family). That's half of what the web informed (I am in Chile, that may be another ironic difference... , every tech here costs 50%-70% higher than in USA, starting with products). But if it is not your case, I would equally switch, in standard resolution (in fact, now I've tried Tidal, I would pay the full $30 is asked so, is THAT much better). The differences in interface are simply abysmal. I just listed the most obvious ones. And the flaws of Music are simply irritating. You will not encounter them at all in Tidal.
To end this, an anecdote: I was such a blind faith believer in Apple for my whole adult life that, knowing I had to change my nice but old loudspeakers, I waited for the promising tech of HomePods. Then I waited for the basic feature of stereo paring, not launched from the start (!). Then I waited for them to arrive to my country (until now, they don't). When I finally got them... what a fiasco!. Even if all that tech prowess is there in the HoPs, Apple doesn't care to implement it correctly (like detecting where the listener is, in order to correctly imaging stereo sound to him), although much more complicated things had been done in them (or perhaps, having it already, it will be implemented in the future upgrades, as to squeeze more money from you). C'mon: Apple hired a team of the world's most renowned acoustic engineers, and they can't have a properly stereo sound loudspearkers? Is it the chief designer, Gary Geeves, a sound guru creator of some of the best hifi speakers ever made at B&W, proud of this trash? I end up buying the much, much better KEF LS50 for a little difference in price, and it is leaps and bounds better then HoPs. Then it came the burning need of hires streaming, now that the limitations of Music sound quality were evidently showed in my system; once again, I waited and waited for hires to come, at the next WWDC perhaps? Nor anymore. Good bye Apple.
I blame those, what to say?, not-so-clever guys of Cue and the Iovine of this low quality in everything related with music. And Apple in general, now a greedy corporation that long ago forgot that ideal of delighting users.
Yet more unwanted features in Music, while not fixing its nightmarish interface or the hundreds of flaws, some of them just unbelievable. After ever a decade paying for iTunes Match or Music, I finally moved to Tidal. Within hours I was wondering why I was so stubborn that I didn't that before. Every single aspect if way better. To start with, you can - yes, really-, *search* for content, with pre-emptive typing (almost never you need to type the whole artist name), typing error tolerance, multiple searching words [...]
.... I am so, so fed up with Apple and the unbelievably stupid flaws in almost every product I'm still using, after more than 30yrs of only Apple products...
What on earth are you talking about? I search using partial names in AM currently. Here’s a partial search for Depeche Mode.
What else have you got wrong?
Also, good luck finding a comprehensive platform with no flaws. You do realize software developers are as flawed as anybody else, right, and that like all human creation software will have flaws?
This maybe off topic but in iOS 13 are we getting back internet radio stations in the music app? ‘Cause that’s the main thing I miss about the old interface. The option to go by region, countries what have you. They had perhaps 1000s of internet stations. I tried looking for apps that replace the old radio offerings but nothing comes close to the region I want which is Caribbean in particular Lesser Antilles. The old interface still exists I think on the Apple TV 3rd gen.
I would like to see Apple spend some time and resources reworking Music on iOS. There are so many features and capabilities that could be added to the app.
So name a few instead of just dropping this request on the floor.
I'll post what I prefer to post. There have been many discussions here on AI with many chiming in on what they would like to see in Music.
So in other words you can't think of a single one when asked to name something.
.... I am so, so fed up with Apple and the unbelievably stupid flaws in almost every product I'm still using, after more than 30yrs of only Apple products...
This was one of the missing features people complained about here.
And of course you're switching to Android and Windows......
... Depeche Mode... Why don't you try something other than John Smith to prove your point? How about Tim H(ecker), or Ben F(rost) (let's say you liked the music of the series "Dark")? Let make it it simpler: Tony W(illiams)? Still too hard?. How about Keith J(arrett)? I'm still too "sophisticaded"?. Try Wea(ther Report... not yet? May be the saxophonist of the group, one of the music glories of USA: Wayne S(hotter)? All of that can't be found, but is suggested by Tidal with even shorter clues.
Do you know that Keith Jarrett and Keith Jarrett Trio are completely different artists according Music? Not even related, as it also doesn't offer the trio in the list of related artists. How about mistyping him: because, Apple has no way to find that Keith Jarett, or Keith Jarret may possibly be "Keith Jarrett". Do you know also that the records of Keith Jarrett in your cell phone aren't the same as in your Mac? I could give you HUNDREDS of names with the same things happening. And HUNDREDS of flaws of Music that are just... jaw dropping. I used it every single day for over 10 years man... Should I continue, StrangeDays?
Any sign this is SwiftUI on Web and therefore a sign of Apps for iCloud coming in the future.
Catalyst apps would make a great lead into that project. iOS app to mac to web then to platform optomised runtimes for other platforms. Secures Apples market in developer tools and hardware sales. Yes been done before but always with clunky bad interface
Yes lots of apps the like of which drive hardware sales will need to stay native but still lots of apps could benefit from SwiftWebObjects if that's what this is.
Don’t remember what it’s called, but it’s probably the same UI framework they use for all their iCloud apps.
Any sign this is SwiftUI on Web and therefore a sign of Apps for iCloud coming in the future.
Catalyst apps would make a great lead into that project. iOS app to mac to web then to platform optomised runtimes for other platforms. Secures Apples market in developer tools and hardware sales. Yes been done before but always with clunky bad interface
Yes lots of apps the like of which drive hardware sales will need to stay native but still lots of apps could benefit from SwiftWebObjects if that's what this is.
Don’t remember what it’s called, but it’s probably the same UI framework they use for all their iCloud apps.
However, it would be great if there’s a plan to make Swift an alternative to Javascript.
Any sign this is SwiftUI on Web and therefore a sign of Apps for iCloud coming in the future.
Catalyst apps would make a great lead into that project. iOS app to mac to web then to platform optomised runtimes for other platforms. Secures Apples market in developer tools and hardware sales. Yes been done before but always with clunky bad interface
Yes lots of apps the like of which drive hardware sales will need to stay native but still lots of apps could benefit from SwiftWebObjects if that's what this is.
They used EmberJS, the refreshed itunes app was made with EmberJS desktop too.
I would like to see Apple spend some time and resources reworking Music on iOS. There are so many features and capabilities that could be added to the app.
So name a few instead of just dropping this request on the floor.
I'll post what I prefer to post. There have been many discussions here on AI with many chiming in on what they would like to see in Music.
I’d like to see playlists that people can share and collaborate on. I have a playlist my friend created and have always wanted to add my own tracks to.
Yet more unwanted features in Music, while not fixing its nightmarish interface or the hundreds of flaws, some of them just unbelievable. After ever a decade paying for iTunes Match or Music, I finally moved to Tidal. Within hours I was wondering why I was so stubborn that I didn't that before. Every single aspect if way better. To start with, you can - yes, really-, *search* for content, with pre-emptive typing (almost never you need to type the whole artist name), typing error tolerance, multiple searching words that the app actually understands ("Mahler 2nd Kaplan" actually list the two recordings I am searching by that conductor... yes, Tidal can be used for classical music also, can you believe it?); record and tune by tune information about players, recording dates, etc. Summing up: a real relational database working behind the scenes, the one that Apple has been so lazy as to implement after all these years, instead of easy solution of using the very basic album metadata... ...Tidal's catalog is as large or bigger than Music ... Tidal, but not Apple, is fully consistent in its IOS or MacOS versions (but not, and by a long shot, the very Apple that produces both OS...). Not to talk about streaming quality, losses and better (MQA). Then you ask: why a tiny company like Tidal can do it, and the largest corporation of the world can't? Why does Apple worries about hires display, hires video content, etc., but can not stream hires audio, that would demand a tiny fraction of bandwidth compared? ... So, right, currently every single product or service of Apple related with music is basically the verge of being trash!
.... I am so, so fed up with Apple and the unbelievably stupid flaws in almost every product I'm still using, after more than 30yrs of only Apple products...
Thanks for this I def agree on some points with the AM app.. I also see you can export AM playlists to Tidal as well if I wanted to make the jump. I am a iTunes Match user as well and like having everything in one App. I like the Idea of the Hi Res Audio but that is also 2x the price of an AM subscription for both single and family plans. That is quite a jump in price.
So yes have a compelling argument.. the Hi Res/Lossless Audio is very appealing along with a better UI, but not at nearly $30.00 USD for a family plan.
Family
HiFi - $29.99 USD a month including up to 5 additional family members
totaling 6 on the account. Lossless High Fidelity sound quality, high
definition music videos, expertly curated editorial (prices vary
depending on geography and local currency)
Lower Res prices are the same as AM and Spotify... so is the search and UI that good that it's worth a one to one switch no better quality in Audio?
Are the finally financially viable? If not, what happens to all your music when the go belly up?
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Surprisingly, Tidal website informed me the same you mention; at the moment I subscribed, real monthly price for hires service was $10 or $15 (single or family). That's half of what the web informed (I am in Chile, that may be another ironic difference... , every tech here costs 50%-70% higher than in USA, starting with products).
But if it is not your case, I would equally switch, in standard resolution (in fact, now I've tried Tidal, I would pay the full $30 is asked so, is THAT much better). The differences in interface are simply abysmal. I just listed the most obvious ones. And the flaws of Music are simply irritating. You will not encounter them at all in Tidal.
To end this, an anecdote: I was such a blind faith believer in Apple for my whole adult life that, knowing I had to change my nice but old loudspeakers, I waited for the promising tech of HomePods. Then I waited for the basic feature of stereo paring, not launched from the start (!). Then I waited for them to arrive to my country (until now, they don't). When I finally got them... what a fiasco!. Even if all that tech prowess is there in the HoPs, Apple doesn't care to implement it correctly (like detecting where the listener is, in order to correctly imaging stereo sound to him), although much more complicated things had been done in them (or perhaps, having it already, it will be implemented in the future upgrades, as to squeeze more money from you). C'mon: Apple hired a team of the world's most renowned acoustic engineers, and they can't have a properly stereo sound loudspearkers? Is it the chief designer, Gary Geeves, a sound guru creator of some of the best hifi speakers ever made at B&W, proud of this trash?
I end up buying the much, much better KEF LS50 for a little difference in price, and it is leaps and bounds better then HoPs. Then it came the burning need of hires streaming, now that the limitations of Music sound quality were evidently showed in my system; once again, I waited and waited for hires to come, at the next WWDC perhaps? Nor anymore. Good bye Apple.
I blame those, what to say?, not-so-clever guys of Cue and the Iovine of this low quality in everything related with music. And Apple in general, now a greedy corporation that long ago forgot that ideal of delighting users.
What else have you got wrong?
Also, good luck finding a comprehensive platform with no flaws. You do realize software developers are as flawed as anybody else, right, and that like all human creation software will have flaws?
This was one of the missing features people complained about here.
And of course you're switching to Android and Windows......
Do you know that Keith Jarrett and Keith Jarrett Trio are completely different artists according Music? Not even related, as it also doesn't offer the trio in the list of related artists. How about mistyping him: because, Apple has no way to find that Keith Jarett, or Keith Jarret may possibly be "Keith Jarrett". Do you know also that the records of Keith Jarrett in your cell phone aren't the same as in your Mac?
I could give you HUNDREDS of names with the same things happening. And HUNDREDS of flaws of Music that are just... jaw dropping. I used it every single day for over 10 years man...
Should I continue, StrangeDays?
Sproutcore.