Confusion reigns over iPhone 11 Pro RAM, benchmarking tests

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• Reply 1 of 39

  DAalseth Posts: 2,783member

  September 12, 2019 12:44PM

  So, actual Geekbench testing said 4GB. Unnamed, unverified sources of unknown reliability say 6Gb. Uh, yeah I'd go with the actual measurement until I get more data. I suppose it is possible that the base version has 4 and ones with more RAM, or the Max version has 6. But the only way to know for sure is an actual measurement, not rumours.

  
• Reply 2 of 39

  indieshack Posts: 328member

  September 12, 2019 1:32PM

  DAalseth said:

  So, actual Geekbench testing said 4GB. Unnamed, unverified sources of unknown reliability say 6Gb. Uh, yeah I'd go with the actual measurement until I get more data. I suppose it is possible that the base version has 4 and ones with more RAM, or the Max version has 6. But the only way to know for sure is an actual measurement, not rumours.

  Yeah, I assume they’ve done the same thing they did on the last pro iPads- two different RAMs Dependancy on storage size

  
• Reply 3 of 39

  jcs2305 Posts: 1,336member

  September 12, 2019 1:35PM

  DAalseth said:

  So, actual Geekbench testing said 4GB. Unnamed, unverified sources of unknown reliability say 6Gb. Uh, yeah I'd go with the actual measurement until I get more data. I suppose it is possible that the base version has 4 and ones with more RAM, or the Max version has 6. But the only way to know for sure is an actual measurement, not rumours.

  Onleaks ( Steve Hemmerstoffer )  has reported 4GB RAM iPhone 11 and 6GB for the Pro's.  I have always heard/read that Onleaks is pretty reliable with his info? Who knows though..

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Onleaks has tweeted to say that he believes the iPhone 11 packs 6GB of RAM. Only one can be correct, of course.

  For those who care about these details #Apple never share officially, seems like:
  
  - #iPhone11 = 4GB RAM + 3110mAh battery (Xr = 3GB + 2942mAh)
  - #iPhone11Pro = 6GB RAM + 3190mAh battery (Xs = 4GB RAM + 2658mAh)
  - #iPhone11ProMax = 6GB RAM + 3500mAh (Xs Max = 4GB RAM + 3174mAh)

  — Steve H.McFly (@OnLeaks) September 12, 2019
  
  https://www.imore.com/iphone-11-pro-appears-geekbench-and-has-4gb-ram-or-does-it
  

  
  
  
  

  
• Reply 4 of 39

  wood1208 Posts: 2,913member

  September 12, 2019 1:49PM

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera on back of iPhone 11 instead one wide and one telephoto ? last years iPhone XS had one wide and one telephoto.
  

  edited September 2019
• Reply 5 of 39

  simply258 Posts: 133member

  September 12, 2019 1:53PM

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera instead one extra wide and one tele photo ?
  

  Maybe the average person didn’t shoot closeups as much.

  
• Reply 6 of 39

  mjtomlin Posts: 2,673member

  September 12, 2019 2:01PM

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera instead one extra wide and one tele photo ?
  

  
  

  Although he was referring to the dual camera system on the iPhone 11, John Gruber from Daring Fireball mentions...
  

  Fundamentally it’s a bet on the power of computational photography — it’s easier to zoom in digitally than it is to compute a wider field of view.

  
  

  But as was also mentioned on stage... that extra wide lens can be used in really tight shots, “When there’s no room to back up.”

  edited September 2019
• Reply 7 of 39

  GeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member

  September 12, 2019 2:41PM

  DAalseth said:

  So, actual Geekbench testing said 4GB. Unnamed, unverified sources of unknown reliability say 6Gb. Uh, yeah I'd go with the actual measurement until I get more data. I suppose it is possible that the base version has 4 and ones with more RAM, or the Max version has 6. But the only way to know for sure is an actual measurement, not rumours.

  Because you don't know their names does not mean that don't have names or that they are not authoritative sources.
  
• Reply 8 of 39

  rkla Posts: 13member

  September 12, 2019 3:15PM

  mjtomlin said:

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera instead one extra wide and one tele photo ?
  

  
  

  Although he was referring to the dual camera system on the iPhone 11, John Gruber from Darirng Fireball mentions...
  

  Fundamentally it’s a bet on the power of computational photography — it’s easier to zoom in digitally than it is to compute a wider field of view.

  
  

  But as was also mentioned on stage... that extra wide lens can be used in really tight shots, “When there’s no room to back up.”

  It’s not harder to compute a wider field of view, its impossible. If the lens can’t see grandma outside the frame, it can’t compute her. Yes you can take a panorama but that’s a different action than pressing the shutter button. It is most likely for 3 reasons 1) people take group shots and can’t back up enough, so you can get shots you wouldn’t otherwise get. 2) more useful for AR applications 3) the ultra wide doesn’t use OIS so prob a cheaper than adding telephoto camera package which does

  edited September 2019
• Reply 9 of 39

  melgross Posts: 33,510member

  September 12, 2019 3:31PM

  jcs2305 said:

  DAalseth said:

  So, actual Geekbench testing said 4GB. Unnamed, unverified sources of unknown reliability say 6Gb. Uh, yeah I'd go with the actual measurement until I get more data. I suppose it is possible that the base version has 4 and ones with more RAM, or the Max version has 6. But the only way to know for sure is an actual measurement, not rumours.

  Onleaks ( Steve Hemmerstoffer )  has reported 4GB RAM iPhone 11 and 6GB for the Pro's.  I have always heard/read that Onleaks is pretty reliable with his info? Who knows though..

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Onleaks has tweeted to say that he believes the iPhone 11 packs 6GB of RAM. Only one can be correct, of course.

  For those who care about these details #Apple never share officially, seems like:
  
  - #iPhone11 = 4GB RAM + 3110mAh battery (Xr = 3GB + 2942mAh)
  - #iPhone11Pro = 6GB RAM + 3190mAh battery (Xs = 4GB RAM + 2658mAh)
  - #iPhone11ProMax = 6GB RAM + 3500mAh (Xs Max = 4GB RAM + 3174mAh)

  — Steve H.McFly (@OnLeaks) September 12, 2019
  
  https://www.imore.com/iphone-11-pro-appears-geekbench-and-has-4gb-ram-or-does-it
  

  
  
  
  

  I read the same thing. And the reason Geekbench 4 might have been used could be for the simp,e reason that the test was done before the release.

  
• Reply 10 of 39

  melgross Posts: 33,510member

  September 12, 2019 3:33PM

  
  

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera on back of iPhone 11 instead one wide and one telephoto ? last years iPhone XS had one wide and one telephoto.
  

  It seems to be a trend. Other manufacturers are going the ultra wide route. It seems to be popular.
• Reply 11 of 39

  melgross Posts: 33,510member

  September 12, 2019 3:38PM

  
  

  rkla said:

  mjtomlin said:

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera instead one extra wide and one tele photo ?
  

  
  

  Although he was referring to the dual camera system on the iPhone 11, John Gruber from Darirng Fireball mentions...
  

  Fundamentally it’s a bet on the power of computational photography — it’s easier to zoom in digitally than it is to compute a wider field of view.

  
  

  But as was also mentioned on stage... that extra wide lens can be used in really tight shots, “When there’s no room to back up.”

  It’s not harder to compute a wider field of view, its impossible. If the lens can’t see grandma outside the frame, it can’t compute her. Yes you can take a panorama but that’s a different action than pressing the shutter button. It is most likely for 3 reasons 1) people take group shots and can’t back up enough, so you can get shots you wouldn’t otherwise get. 2) more useful for AR applications 3) the ultra wide doesn’t use OIS so prob a cheaper than adding telephoto camera package which does

  Exactly. Sometimes Gruber gets things confused. Also the ultra wide uses a 5 element lens rather than a 6 as the others do. At one point I think Apple went to a 7 element lens for the normal camera. But it could be a more advanced design allowing fewer elements using better plastic and glass. Usually ultra wide lenses have a lot of glass. But really wide lenses don’t need OIS as much as the others do.

  
• Reply 12 of 39

  [email protected] Posts: 1member

  September 12, 2019 3:47PM

  Did I not see that the system was now using unified memory, so shared ram between GPU and CPU?

  
• Reply 13 of 39

  DAalseth Posts: 2,783member

  September 12, 2019 3:50PM

  GeorgeBMac said:

  DAalseth said:

  So, actual Geekbench testing said 4GB. Unnamed, unverified sources of unknown reliability say 6Gb. Uh, yeah I'd go with the actual measurement until I get more data. I suppose it is possible that the base version has 4 and ones with more RAM, or the Max version has 6. But the only way to know for sure is an actual measurement, not rumours.

  Because you don't know their names does not mean that don't have names or that they are not authoritative sources.
  

  On the contrary, I trust a source more if they are willing to go on the record. This could be anyone from the CEO of Foxconn to some shipping clerk who saw a 6 on a box and assumed it meant this, to some random person who made stuff up. Unless you know WHO the source it, it is just hearsay.

  
• Reply 14 of 39

  mjtomlin Posts: 2,673member

  September 12, 2019 4:29PM

  rkla said:

  mjtomlin said:

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera instead one extra wide and one tele photo ?
  

  
  

  Although he was referring to the dual camera system on the iPhone 11, John Gruber from Darirng Fireball mentions...
  

  Fundamentally it’s a bet on the power of computational photography — it’s easier to zoom in digitally than it is to compute a wider field of view.

  
  

  But as was also mentioned on stage... that extra wide lens can be used in really tight shots, “When there’s no room to back up.”

  It’s not harder to compute a wider field of view, its impossible. If the lens can’t see grandma outside the frame, it can’t compute her. Yes you can take a panorama but that’s a different action than pressing the shutter button. It is most likely for 3 reasons 1) people take group shots and can’t back up enough, so you can get shots you wouldn’t otherwise get. 2) more useful for AR applications 3) the ultra wide doesn’t use OIS so prob a cheaper than adding telephoto camera package which does

  
  I'm sure that's what he was trying to infer. However, a camera could pick up data "outside" a frame simply by grabbing data as a camera moves around before and after taking a shot, thus giving you the ability to "zoom out" a bit if needed. Would be really handy when rotating to horizontally align images.

  edited September 2019
• Reply 15 of 39

  tzeshan Posts: 2,351member

  September 12, 2019 4:45PM

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera on back of iPhone 11 instead one wide and one telephoto ? last years iPhone XS had one wide and one telephoto.
  

  OPPO phone has wider angle camera. The picture actually looks better than iPhone. 
• Reply 16 of 39

  DuhSesame Posts: 1,278member

  September 12, 2019 4:58PM

  [email protected] said:

  Did I not see that the system was now using unified memory, so shared ram between GPU and CPU?

  I never heard any phones with GDDR RAM.

  
• Reply 17 of 39

  appleexpat Posts: 28member

  September 12, 2019 5:44PM

  Apple really should disclose this info in their tech specs section. Not sure why they do not. Should be no secret. Processor,ram and storage space should all be disclosed when people click on tech specs. This should not be a hidden secret that people have to search for. Imagine having to search for this info when buying a Mcbook Pro

  
• Reply 18 of 39

  goofy1958 Posts: 165member

  September 12, 2019 6:09PM

  appleexpat said:

  Apple really should disclose this info in their tech specs section. Not sure why they do not. Should be no secret. Processor,ram and storage space should all be disclosed when people click on tech specs. This should not be a hidden secret that people have to search for. Imagine having to search for this info when buying a Mcbook Pro

  Maybe because the amount of RAM in a phone does not really matter to anyone but spec junkies that like to claim that a phone with 8GB of RAM is better than a phone with 4 or 6GB of RAM, which is patently false.  The amount of RAM in a MacBook Pro IS needed depending on what you are going to use it for.
  

  
• Reply 19 of 39

  rogifan_new Posts: 4,297member

  September 12, 2019 6:23PM

  goofy1958 said:

  appleexpat said:

  Apple really should disclose this info in their tech specs section. Not sure why they do not. Should be no secret. Processor,ram and storage space should all be disclosed when people click on tech specs. This should not be a hidden secret that people have to search for. Imagine having to search for this info when buying a Mcbook Pro

  Maybe because the amount of RAM in a phone does not really matter to anyone but spec junkies that like to claim that a phone with 8GB of RAM is better than a phone with 4 or 6GB of RAM, which is patently false.  The amount of RAM in a MacBook Pro IS needed depending on what you are going to use it for.
  

  I think it’s because Apple used to skimp out on RAM and didn’t want to call attention to it. I remember having the first iPad Air. The memory management was awful. Safari tabs would constantly re-load. People who own an iPhone 6 (still with 1GB RAM) has similar issues with apps refreshing all the time.

  
• Reply 20 of 39

  StrangeDays Posts: 12,876member

  September 12, 2019 6:53PM

  rkla said:

  mjtomlin said:

  wood1208 said:

  Does anyone know why Apple choose 2 wide angle back camera instead one extra wide and one tele photo ?
  

  
  

  Although he was referring to the dual camera system on the iPhone 11, John Gruber from Darirng Fireball mentions...
  

  Fundamentally it’s a bet on the power of computational photography — it’s easier to zoom in digitally than it is to compute a wider field of view.

  
  

  But as was also mentioned on stage... that extra wide lens can be used in really tight shots, “When there’s no room to back up.”

  It’s not harder to compute a wider field of view, its impossible. If the lens can’t see grandma outside the frame, it can’t compute her. Yes you can take a panorama but that’s a different action than pressing the shutter button. It is most likely for 3 reasons 1) people take group shots and can’t back up enough, so you can get shots you wouldn’t otherwise get. 2) more useful for AR applications 3) the ultra wide doesn’t use OIS so prob a cheaper than adding telephoto camera package which does

  4) more people seem to take wide shots (groups, architecture) than need to zoom in closer with a cell phone. Gruber’s informal polls match what I find to be true as well.