I can't think of anything better than its citizens to rise up once and for all and topple that government
"I bet most of the Chinese citizens would beg to differ. Their government isn't as bad as our media depicts it to be, and many are just perfectly fine with it. " said someone
good lord. have you asked the Uyghurs how they feel? NO their government is WAY worse than your media depicts. Wakey wakey
He’s right that most Chinese are happy with their government. Why? Because the government has made them richer than ever. Who won’t be happy with that. Even Americans will be very happy in their place. The problem is China isn’t a country built on “human” principle like the United States. China isn’t built on freedom and equality. They’re built on power and greed with totalitarian rule. In short, they are the new Third Reich. Remember, Germans were very happy with Hitler and perfectly fine with him as well.
You say: China is the "new Third Reich".
... Huh? Where did that come from? Much of American political thinking is based on propaganda that has little or no basis in reality but instead is just used to rally the base and stir up the troops.
There are couple politicians singing this letter that I am not familiar with. But the ones I do know are radicals and crackpots. The letter should be given all the respect it is do -- which is none.
These politicians are only making a ruckus to ensure their re-election. Nothing more.
I bet the protestors in HK would beg to differ.
While politicians do like to grandstand regarding all sorts of trivial matters, this is one example where speaking out can make a difference. So if Apple decides to swallow its moral compass, there is no harm in others reminding them to do the right thing. And if you really would like to see China's govt topple, then remaining silent and preserving the status quo isn't going to get it done.
Do you believe there is a single moral compass and anyone deviating from it is “immoral”?
Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes.
"Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes."
These politicians are only making a ruckus to ensure their re-election. Nothing more.
I bet the protestors in HK would beg to differ.
While politicians do like to grandstand regarding all sorts of trivial matters, this is one example where speaking out can make a difference. So if Apple decides to swallow its moral compass, there is no harm in others reminding them to do the right thing. And if you really would like to see China's govt topple, then remaining silent and preserving the status quo isn't going to get it done.
Do you believe there is a single moral compass and anyone deviating from it is “immoral”?
Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes.
"Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes."
So Apple goes ahead and restores the app in question under pressure from politicians. If Apple begins to suffer economic loss, stock price declines, Chinese supplier problems instigated by the Chinese government, will those same politicians be willing to support Apple financially in return to weather the storm. Will those same politicians be willing to provide U.S. government monetary support for Apple to move its manufacturing out of China. I think we all know the answer to that question. A big, fat NO.
And what if Apple does not restore the app? Will you who are demanding they do so stop buying Apple products, clamor for a worldwide boycott?
Words are cheap, especially cheap in an anonymous comment section of a tech blog.
So Apple goes ahead and restores the app in question under pressure from politicians. If Apple begins to suffer economic loss, stock price declines, Chinese supplier problems instigated by the Chinese government, will those same politicians be willing to support Apple financially in return to weather the storm. Will those same politicians be willing to provide U.S. government monetary support for Apple to move its manufacturing out of China. I think we all know the answer to that question. A big, fat NO.
And what if Apple does not restore the app? Will you who are demanding they do so stop buying Apple products, clamor for a worldwide boycott?
Words are cheap, especially cheap in an anonymous comment section of a tech blog.
I thought it was U.S. politicians trying to tell Apple what they could or couldn't do... Thankfully, Tim went ahead and did the right thing anyway.
These politicians are only making a ruckus to ensure their re-election. Nothing more.
I bet the protestors in HK would beg to differ.
While politicians do like to grandstand regarding all sorts of trivial matters, this is one example where speaking out can make a difference. So if Apple decides to swallow its moral compass, there is no harm in others reminding them to do the right thing. And if you really would like to see China's govt topple, then remaining silent and preserving the status quo isn't going to get it done.
Do you believe there is a single moral compass and anyone deviating from it is “immoral”?
Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes.
"Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes."
HOW on earth could you possibly know this?
How is it that you DON'T know it?
China is a one party political system. Nothing more, nothing less.
These politicians are only making a ruckus to ensure their re-election. Nothing more.
I bet the protestors in HK would beg to differ.
While politicians do like to grandstand regarding all sorts of trivial matters, this is one example where speaking out can make a difference. So if Apple decides to swallow its moral compass, there is no harm in others reminding them to do the right thing. And if you really would like to see China's govt topple, then remaining silent and preserving the status quo isn't going to get it done.
Do you believe there is a single moral compass and anyone deviating from it is “immoral”?
Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes.
"Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes."
HOW on earth could you possibly know this?
How is it that you DON'T know it?
Again, how can you or anyone posting here know the thoughts of the Chinese people especially in regards to to overthrowing their government? Are you confusing Hong Kong with mainland China?
So Apple goes ahead and restores the app in question under pressure from politicians. If Apple begins to suffer economic loss, stock price declines, Chinese supplier problems instigated by the Chinese government, will those same politicians be willing to support Apple financially in return to weather the storm. Will those same politicians be willing to provide U.S. government monetary support for Apple to move its manufacturing out of China. I think we all know the answer to that question. A big, fat NO.
And what if Apple does not restore the app? Will you who are demanding they do so stop buying Apple products, clamor for a worldwide boycott?
Words are cheap, especially cheap in an anonymous comment section of a tech blog.
I thought it was U.S. politicians trying to tell Apple what they could or couldn't do... Thankfully, Tim went ahead and did the right thing anyway.
Tim caved to the Chinese leaders to keep his share holders happy not the Chinese people not the American people.
It is a national security issue for not pulling down the TikTok app but Tim Cook has ignored it. On the contrary, HKMap.live has been maliciously defamed and not revived. Both decisions share the same reason, pleasing China.
Prove to me that the US and multinational companies have had no business with Saudi Arabia for the last couple of decades since that country is a brutal dictatorship.
Of course this hasn’t happened instead we are getting hypocrisy from these representatives.
Prove to me that there has been an ongoing boycott of products from China including One Plus phones, game consoles and most products from Walmart and Amazon.
Of course that hasn’t happened either because of either hypocrisy or people not being informed or not caring. * What really makes the situation more absurd is that the HK map software program is available on the Internet! An app is not needed.
This debate fits with the usual arguments where actions against China are not evenly applied. Instead the focus is only on Apple as if Apple was the only company to ever do business with China. And Apple by itself can change China.
Ignoring that Chinese products have completely infiltrated the US economy.
These politicians are only making a ruckus to ensure their re-election. Nothing more.
I bet the protestors in HK would beg to differ.
While politicians do like to grandstand regarding all sorts of trivial matters, this is one example where speaking out can make a difference. So if Apple decides to swallow its moral compass, there is no harm in others reminding them to do the right thing. And if you really would like to see China's govt topple, then remaining silent and preserving the status quo isn't going to get it done.
Do you believe there is a single moral compass and anyone deviating from it is “immoral”?
Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes.
"Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes."
HOW on earth could you possibly know this?
How is it that you DON'T know it?
China is a one party political system. Nothing more, nothing less.
These politicians are only making a ruckus to ensure their re-election. Nothing more.
I bet the protestors in HK would beg to differ.
While politicians do like to grandstand regarding all sorts of trivial matters, this is one example where speaking out can make a difference. So if Apple decides to swallow its moral compass, there is no harm in others reminding them to do the right thing. And if you really would like to see China's govt topple, then remaining silent and preserving the status quo isn't going to get it done.
Do you believe there is a single moral compass and anyone deviating from it is “immoral”?
Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes.
"Chinese society has a long history of authoritarianism and the vast majority of their people don’t seem to mind this arrangement. If the Chinese people have thoughts about overthrowing their government, it’s not reflected in current attitudes."
HOW on earth could you possibly know this?
How is it that you DON'T know it?
Again, how can you or anyone posting here know the thoughts of the Chinese people especially in regards to to overthrowing their government? Are you confusing Hong Kong with mainland China?
It is wise to base your opinion on fact rather than political ideology. There is no evidence that, with a few minor exceptions here and there, that the Chinese people are anything but happy with their country and their government. In fact, economically they've been crushing us for decades with growth 2, 3 or 4 times greater than ours and their government seems to be working far better than ours at the moment. In fact, it is the U.S. where the majority of people are dissatisfied with their leaders.
So Apple goes ahead and restores the app in question under pressure from politicians. If Apple begins to suffer economic loss, stock price declines, Chinese supplier problems instigated by the Chinese government, will those same politicians be willing to support Apple financially in return to weather the storm. Will those same politicians be willing to provide U.S. government monetary support for Apple to move its manufacturing out of China. I think we all know the answer to that question. A big, fat NO.
And what if Apple does not restore the app? Will you who are demanding they do so stop buying Apple products, clamor for a worldwide boycott?
Words are cheap, especially cheap in an anonymous comment section of a tech blog.
I thought it was U.S. politicians trying to tell Apple what they could or couldn't do... Thankfully, Tim went ahead and did the right thing anyway.
Tim caved to the Chinese leaders to keep his share holders happy not the Chinese people not the American people.
Is your evidence for that statement simply your hate for China? Tim caved to neither the Chinese government nor our own. Instead, he simply did the right thing.
It is a national security issue for not pulling down the TikTok app but Tim Cook has ignored it. On the contrary, HKMap.live has been maliciously defamed and not revived. Both decisions share the same reason, pleasing China.
I can't think of anything better than its citizens to rise up once and for all and topple that government…
I can. Apparently the best solution is to make it appear the citizens have successfully orchestrated a democratic coup whilst ensuring their policy options and implementation align with outcomes determined by those who really run the country. That way an overt dictatorship transitions to a covert one preventing future rebellion. So far it’s worked so well on the Western world they even consider it a privilege worth fighting for.
I can't think of anything better than its citizens to rise up once and for all and topple that government…
I can. Apparently the best solution is to make it appear the citizens have successfully orchestrated a democratic coup whilst ensuring their policy options and implementation align with outcomes determined by those who really run the country. That way an overt dictatorship transitions to a covert one preventing future rebellion. So far it’s worked so well on the Western world they even consider it a privilege worth fighting for.
.... Except China doesn't have oilgarchs pulling the strings like in the U.S and Russia.
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HOW on earth could you possibly know this?
And what if Apple does not restore the app? Will you who are demanding they do so stop buying Apple products, clamor for a worldwide boycott?
Words are cheap, especially cheap in an anonymous comment section of a tech blog.
Thankfully, Tim went ahead and did the right thing anyway.
Tim caved to the Chinese leaders to keep his share holders happy not the Chinese people not the American people.
* What really makes the situation more absurd is that the HK map software program is available on the Internet! An app is not needed.
Instead the focus is only on Apple as if Apple was the only company to ever do business with China. And Apple by itself can change China.
Tim caved to neither the Chinese government nor our own. Instead, he simply did the right thing.
So far it’s worked so well on the Western world they even consider it a privilege worth fighting for.