Wow....$1,000.00 for just the stand??? I'm glad I do not require such a high tech monitor, but I can appreciate those that do......If you can afford $5-6K for a monitor...what's another grand for the stand?
Wow....$1,000.00 for just the stand??? I'm glad I do not require such a high tech monitor, but I can appreciate those that do......If you can afford $5-6K for a monitor...what's another grand for the stand?
Not everyone buying something expensive is in the "price doesn't matter" crowd and just because you buy one expensive thing doesn't mean one can afford another somewhat less expensive thing because the first expensive thing might have already tapped you out.
Let's say someone feels they really need a very high quality monitor because they're doing pro stills or video or other design work and need color accuracy (not that we yet know for sure that this monitor is color accurate - we just know it supposedly "looks good"). So they can't necessarily really afford it, but they believe they need it enough to invest in it anyway and they "find a way". Another $1000 for the stand could be a big hurdle. And while I realize the stand has some nice tech built into it, I think Apple thinking $1000 for the stand was going to be readily accepted displays (sic) an increasing amount of tone deafness, which I think has been a disease at Apple for some time now. The executives at Apple who make these kinds of product/pricing decisions are so highly compensated, that they've lost all touch with how people and (small) companies live in the real world (IMO).
Having said that, I do wonder how many of these towers and monitors will wind up on the desks of the "rich" who don't do anything but ordinary tasks on their computers. But if that leads to enough sales to make this viable for Apple to do, great.
Hey if BMW can charge outrageous prices for silly add-ons (like the CarPlay upgrade or other upgrades), why not Apple for a serious piece of engineering? I have a couple hundred dollar VESA arm and it is pretty wobbly and janky. The youtubers demoing this stand show that it is basically perfect — solid, reliable, and astoundingly easy to affix via magnets (how do they work!).
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
Apple doesn't give enough configuration options… people bitch. Apple gives configuration options… people bitch.
Their $1000 stand is as ridiculous as their $400 wheels. I understand (and do not complain) about the technology behind the entire system being expensive, but a stand and some wheels at such a high price is ludicrous. I can buy a couple of Apple devices for the total of those two.
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
Apple doesn't give enough configuration options… people bitch. Apple gives configuration options… people bitch.
Shut the hell up. Their $1000 stand is as ridiculous as their $400 wheels. I understand (and do not complain) about the technology behind the entire system being expensive, but a stand and some wheels at such a high price is ludicrous. I can buy a couple of Apple devices for the total of those two.
Hey, Internet tough-guy and armchair CEO...
The stand is sold out. Contrary to your nonsense, people are buying them to where Apple can’t make them fast enough. You may think it’s ridiculously priced, but many others apparently don’t. Kind of makes your “opinion” (because that’s what it is) moot.
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
Apple doesn't give enough configuration options… people bitch. Apple gives configuration options… people bitch.
Shut the hell up. Their $1000 stand is as ridiculous as their $400 wheels. I understand (and do not complain) about the technology behind the entire system being expensive, but a stand and some wheels at such a high price is ludicrous. I can buy a couple of Apple devices for the total of those two.
Hey, Internet tough-guy and armchair CEO...
The stand is sold out. Contrary to your nonsense, people are buying them to where Apple can’t make them fast enough. You may think it’s ridiculously priced, but many others apparently don’t. Kind of makes your “opinion” (because that’s what it is) moot.
You come across as jealous.
i am really curious about the wheels though. everything else is turning out to be reasonably priced or cheaper.
the monitor stand can be a cheap vesa if you want, those with the apple $1k stand say it is really amazing and in reviews it looks amazing.
maybe the $400 wheels have built in smarts or something we don’t know about. clever locking or sensors or who knows what.
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
Apple doesn't give enough configuration options… people bitch. Apple gives configuration options… people bitch.
Shut the hell up. Their $1000 stand is as ridiculous as their $400 wheels. I understand (and do not complain) about the technology behind the entire system being expensive, but a stand and some wheels at such a high price is ludicrous. I can buy a couple of Apple devices for the total of those two.
The stand is sold out.
Not to disagree with you, but could you provide a link to the source of your info which claims the $999 stand is "sold out"?
Also, are the $400 wheels even shipping? I see all these fabulously wealthy Tech YouTubers buying the Mac Pro left and right but I've not seen a single review of the wheels. Everybody is just commenting on Apple's photos of the wheels. I think anyone well heeled enough to afford the Mac Pro should get the wheels because those standard flat feet look shockingly ugly to me. I would have thought Apple could have made better looking feet that that.
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
Apple doesn't give enough configuration options… people bitch. Apple gives configuration options… people bitch.
Shut the hell up. Their $1000 stand is as ridiculous as their $400 wheels. I understand (and do not complain) about the technology behind the entire system being expensive, but a stand and some wheels at such a high price is ludicrous. I can buy a couple of Apple devices for the total of those two.
It’s not ridiculous. I have a $200 stand that kinda sucks. If theirs works as well as the youtubers say, it’s fine. Be realistic it’s not as if you are even in this market, so no need for your faux outrage.
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
Apple doesn't give enough configuration options… people bitch. Apple gives configuration options… people bitch.
Shut the hell up. Their $1000 stand is as ridiculous as their $400 wheels. I understand (and do not complain) about the technology behind the entire system being expensive, but a stand and some wheels at such a high price is ludicrous. I can buy a couple of Apple devices for the total of those two.
The stand is sold out.
Not to disagree with you, but could you provide a link to the source of your info which claims the $999 stand is "sold out"?
Also, are the $400 wheels even shipping? I see all these fabulously wealthy Tech YouTubers buying the Mac Pro left and right but I've not seen a single review of the wheels. Everybody is just commenting on Apple's photos of the wheels. I think anyone well heeled enough to afford the Mac Pro should get the wheels because those standard flat feet look shockingly ugly to me. I would have thought Apple could have made better looking feet that that.
I was watching so many YouTube videos the past few days that I don't recall which link it was. There was one from a well-known hardware reviewer and discussed how many of his colleagues ordered the monitor/stand at the same time, and many of them had their stands being delayed into February. I was finding other videos that were confirming that trend.
Now, Apple never says a particular, popular product is "sold out", so there's nothing official that will ever come from Apple. It's either Apple not making enough of the stands to bring to market, or demand simply is outstripping supply. Either way, these stands are selling out, and Apple can't make enough of them.
It's ridiculous how ignorant people like sjworld can criticize Apple's pricing policy for a stand in the face of how many people are purchasing them. Regardless if they're "pros", or just people with way too much money to burn, it does not negate the fact that people feel they are of value.
I've seen 3rd-party monitor stand system and while nice, they are nowhere, anywhere near as nice, and well-built as Apple's take. Is it worth $1K by itself? Not sure... but if there is one thing that truly is "ridiculous" is the fact that as a whole system, a $5K XDR monitor plus a $1K stand is still far cheaper than the $30K-$40K Sony reference monitors (with stand) that the XDR competes with. Posters like sjworld just don't get it, or they do but are angry that they're not in a position to pay even the much-cheaper Apple price for an XDR system (and stand) compared to competing reference monitors, and will just be rude and condescending to others... just to hate on Apple.
I would suggest that Apple create a “mini store” inside SF’s Leica Store. That way the Uber rich can buy $10,000 Leica M cameras and then a MacPro set up for those who use Lightroom on their desks at home. It’s a no brainer!
I'm very satisfied with my new HP Z27 4K monitor I paid $479 for. This would be a colossal waste of money for me.
And many people are happy with their $99 monitor that they bought on Black Friday.
Your $479 monitor would be a colossal waste of money for many of those people. Many of them couldn't even afford a $479 monitor.
This Apple monitor is not for me, I don't do pro video or need accurate colors, but I don't think it's too expensive, and I think it looks great, though I have not yet seen it in person.
Everybody has different needs and different budgets.
Can the monitor fit on other Vesa mounts? Could it just be bolted on to an existing table, or does one need either the Apple-supplied Vesa mount or the Stand?
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
I think the original comment was not a crack on Apple’s stand or it’s price. I think it was a tongue-in-cheek crack on all the pictures of the beautiful $5,000 display sitting on the desk at keyboards height leaning against a wall.
I put all my monitors as low as possible (keyboard level). Perfect setup for me LOL
Note to self; when buying a $5K don’t forget to order a stand or at least some large books.
I find it odd that this is such a sticking point with people. If Apple only sold the monster for $6000 with the stand it would still be well below what others offer and those that want to use a VESA setup would have an amazing piece of engineering they couldn't use.
I think the original comment was not a crack on Apple’s stand or it’s price. I think it was a tongue-in-cheek crack on all the pictures of the beautiful $5,000 display sitting on the desk at keyboards height leaning against a wall.
Yeah, I was thinking the same, at least get a regular VESA mount.
Why? Just to have the stand? Most of the stands don’t allow me to put my monitor at the table level. Yes, I want my monitors to be as low as possible on the table. Simple ergonomics.
I'm very satisfied with my new HP Z27 4K monitor I paid $479 for. This would be a colossal waste of money for me.
Well, this monitor was not designed for you, was it. This monitor is so far above your requirements that, for YOU individually, it would be a wasted of money. But for those professionals who demand state-of-the-art performance, resolution, color accuracy, etc. (the list goes on) this monitor is a bargain. There simply is no comparison between your HP and the XDR monitor. It’s like comparing a stickman drawing by a three year old to the Mona Lisa. There is no comparison, period.
Meanwhile, however, there is a growing number of posts from people on the Apple Discussion Forums who apparently have money to burn that are buying the machine and the monitor for personal use. You can tell they are not professionals by the uniformed questions they ask about the Mac Pro and the XDR. Must be nice to have that kind of pocket change.
Wow....$1,000.00 for just the stand??? I'm glad I do not require such a high tech monitor, but I can appreciate those that do......If you can afford $5-6K for a monitor...what's another grand for the stand?
Not everyone buying something expensive is in the "price doesn't matter" crowd and just because you buy one expensive thing doesn't mean one can afford another somewhat less expensive thing because the first expensive thing might have already tapped you out.
Let's say someone feels they really need a very high quality monitor because they're doing pro stills or video or other design work and need color accuracy (not that we yet know for sure that this monitor is color accurate - we just know it supposedly "looks good"). So they can't necessarily really afford it, but they believe they need it enough to invest in it anyway and they "find a way". Another $1000 for the stand could be a big hurdle. And while I realize the stand has some nice tech built into it, I think Apple thinking $1000 for the stand was going to be readily accepted displays (sic) an increasing amount of tone deafness, which I think has been a disease at Apple for some time now. The executives at Apple who make these kinds of product/pricing decisions are so highly compensated, that they've lost all touch with how people and (small) companies live in the real world (IMO).
Having said that, I do wonder how many of these towers and monitors will wind up on the desks of the "rich" who don't do anything but ordinary tasks on their computers. But if that leads to enough sales to make this viable for Apple to do, great.
It's the other way round. Not including the stand in the fixed priced of the monitor, which would make it $6k, is actually a decision that benefits consumer. Apple is giving us a cheaper option. The keyword here is you 'don't have to' get Apple stand.
I am sure Apple debated the idea about releasing an upgraded price point display "type" similar in the past to the Cinema Display upgrade to the Thunderbolt Display. I had a Cinema Display and then upgraded to a Thunderbolt Display and was waiting for the next expected iMac 4k or 5k display for around the same price of $1,000...this would be not too difficult for Apple in design and profit mark-up. etc., But probably now, this will never happen...again. Instead, we have LG's monitors for "us".
The reason: Just like J2fusion said....J2fusion (as others) is thinking about (or will) purchasing one for his or her 2018 MacBook Pro etc...a $5,000 to $6,000 purchase instead of the $1,000 monitor purchase. Apple knows what they are doing.
That would only make sense if they were selling 1 XDR display for every five "retina cinema displays" that they would have sold otherwise. I don't believe for a moment the market is anywhere close to that large.
IMO this is just another instance of Apple being too resource-constrained to be bothering with stuff like Mac accessories and printers anymore. They probably went ahead with the XDR as a sort of statement, "we still care about the Mac, check out our new Pro Workflow Team, etc." And I wouldn't even bet against a new prosumer display next fall.
In the meantime, the current crop of LG displays is great! I'm looking at one right now.
Can the monitor fit on other Vesa mounts? Could it just be bolted on to an existing table, or does one need either the Apple-supplied Vesa mount or the Stand?
I'm pretty sure you either need the Apple-designed VESA adapter (which uses magnets similar to their stand), or a third-party one designed for the XDR, which doesn't exist yet. Once it's been fitted with an adapter then any VESA mount or arm should work.
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Let's say someone feels they really need a very high quality monitor because they're doing pro stills or video or other design work and need color accuracy (not that we yet know for sure that this monitor is color accurate - we just know it supposedly "looks good"). So they can't necessarily really afford it, but they believe they need it enough to invest in it anyway and they "find a way". Another $1000 for the stand could be a big hurdle. And while I realize the stand has some nice tech built into it, I think Apple thinking $1000 for the stand was going to be readily accepted displays (sic) an increasing amount of tone deafness, which I think has been a disease at Apple for some time now. The executives at Apple who make these kinds of product/pricing decisions are so highly compensated, that they've lost all touch with how people and (small) companies live in the real world (IMO).
Having said that, I do wonder how many of these towers and monitors will wind up on the desks of the "rich" who don't do anything but ordinary tasks on their computers. But if that leads to enough sales to make this viable for Apple to do, great.
Their $1000 stand is as ridiculous as their $400 wheels. I understand (and do not complain) about the technology behind the entire system being expensive, but a stand and some wheels at such a high price is ludicrous. I can buy a couple of Apple devices for the total of those two.
The stand is sold out. Contrary to your nonsense, people are buying them to where Apple can’t make them fast enough. You may think it’s ridiculously priced, but many others apparently don’t. Kind of makes your “opinion” (because that’s what it is) moot.
You come across as jealous.
the monitor stand can be a cheap vesa if you want, those with the apple $1k stand say it is really amazing and in reviews it looks amazing.
maybe the $400 wheels have built in smarts or something we don’t know about. clever locking or sensors or who knows what.
Also, are the $400 wheels even shipping? I see all these fabulously wealthy Tech YouTubers buying the Mac Pro left and right but I've not seen a single review of the wheels. Everybody is just commenting on Apple's photos of the wheels. I think anyone well heeled enough to afford the Mac Pro should get the wheels because those standard flat feet look shockingly ugly to me. I would have thought Apple could have made better looking feet that that.
Your $479 monitor would be a colossal waste of money for many of those people. Many of them couldn't even afford a $479 monitor.
This Apple monitor is not for me, I don't do pro video or need accurate colors, but I don't think it's too expensive, and I think it looks great, though I have not yet seen it in person.
Everybody has different needs and different budgets.
Hope ?
Why? Just to have the stand? Most of the stands don’t allow me to put my monitor at the table level. Yes, I want my monitors to be as low as possible on the table. Simple ergonomics.
Meanwhile, however, there is a growing number of posts from people on the Apple Discussion Forums who apparently have money to burn that are buying the machine and the monitor for personal use. You can tell they are not professionals by the uniformed questions they ask about the Mac Pro and the XDR. Must be nice to have that kind of pocket change.
IMO this is just another instance of Apple being too resource-constrained to be bothering with stuff like Mac accessories and printers anymore. They probably went ahead with the XDR as a sort of statement, "we still care about the Mac, check out our new Pro Workflow Team, etc." And I wouldn't even bet against a new prosumer display next fall.
In the meantime, the current crop of LG displays is great! I'm looking at one right now.