iPhone 11 Pro vs Samsung Galaxy S20 - $999 premium smartphones head-to-head

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  • Reply 21 of 38
    Beatsbeats Posts: 3,073member
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    macgui said:
    badmonk said:
    FaceID knockoff?  
    I think 'knockoff' is inappropriate seeing as how Sammie had it before Apple, even though it wasn't very good. Apple took the ball, ran with it, and scored big. Still Sammie had it first.

    But the new S20 line, like Apple's 11 line, is mostly just more of the same. Improving performance through newer technology, but no new killer feature(s). All the phones score better than the competition in one area or another.

    The Z (Zed) interests me more than the S20 line. I think a dependable, durable folding screen is still a long way off but I like that Sammie isn't giving up on it. I still prefer a small screen on the outside and a larger screen when opened. The Zed doesn't do that. But if it ran iOS, I'd give it a go.

    I'd like a peek into Apple's prototype lab to see what they've done. But it'll be years before an Apple folding phone sees the light of day.


     So what’s more important? Having something first or having a superior version of it? That’s all we ever hear from the Android crowd. Android has it first. The never mention the fact that their “firsts” almost always suck, just like Samsung’s folding phones. It takes Apple to do it right.
    This isn't true. Apple still lacks in fast charging. The tri-camera setup improved upon other iPhones (vastly) but still didn't do enough to shake the board. The low light wide angle is terrible. Wireless charging is still behind (to the point that some phones can charge wirelessly, faster than an iPhone can through its own charger/cable. Those bezels look absolutely huge in 2020. Do you think Apple will do 5G better? It's going to use an Android part ;-).

    Ok, just kidding on that last one but QC will be providing the modem. Antennas? It won't be easy to best Huawei and Qualcomm in there specialist areas.

    And as we enter the IoT age, OSes will have to adapt to a new reality. Apple has iOS, Watch OS, iPad OS. Is that the route?

    What will become of HarmonyOS? Is that the better route?

    Right now, folding phones offer something worth having. The problem is price (still high) and durability (unproven) but without these first gen models, future generations can't get better/cheaper.

    Let's not forget the first generation MBAir which was underpowered, stripped of basic connectivity and overheated. Or the butterfly keyboard etc. Did Apple get those right, right from the start?

    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    All iPhones should be able to do this:



    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?

    I love when the knockoffs announce a unique feature and everyone raves. Then kills the feature 2 years later.

    Reminds me of the morons who praise Samsungs gimmicks every year then forget about it when the next gimmick arrives.

    Unlike Apple who's still using innovations they invented 10+ years ago. The irony is that the reverse is true for Apple announcements.
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  • Reply 22 of 38
    Once again I would take exception to the 5G analysis.   Technically it is accurate.   But overall it attempts to marginalize the technology by talking about the slow roll out in the U.S. (due mostly to a combination of politics and inefficient carrier structures) as well as where the 5G rollout stands today.

    Using the U.S. as the model is like using a third world country as an example of industrialization.  For example, aside from all the redundancy of having 4 separate unregulated carriers compete with each other and generally saturating one area while ignoring others, they also have technical deficiencies.   For instance, in the U.S. wireless carriers must first install fiber optic cable to feed their new transmitters while in other countries, that has already been done because the cable and wireless operators are generally combined instead of separate organizations.  And then we get to the U.S. blocking the world's cheapest yet highest quality vendor while other countries take advantage of their pricing and expertise.

    As for where the 5G rollout stands today:  that works as long as you intend to keep the new phone you buy for a year.   But increasingly people are keeping phones for 4-5 years.  So, the phone one buys today will need to accommodate tomorrow's technologies or become obsolete before its time.
    I get what you are saying, but a lot of consumers are skeptical of 5G because of the promises of 3G and 4G and LTE.  A lot of them noticed somewhat of a difference in internet connectivity speeds, but also saw a jump in their bill. 

    Most consumers don’t know how their device and network work, so they make assumptions. They think if their device is in their pocket, it’s not using any battery life so their device should last days before charging. They have no idea what kinds of barricades exist to build and maintain networks. 

    The carriers don’t help much by hiding in the small print that they will throttle your speed if the network is really busy. They also don’t tell you they oversold the bandwidth of the current network. They understand that they sell millions of phones a week and those phones will be supported on their network long after 5G has been implemented everywhere. This could take many, many years, especially if they run into roadblocks of NIMBY citizens who will fight and claim that any cell hardware can cause diseases and disrupt wildlife. 

    This is why Apple isn’t in a hurry creating a 5G device. They want the networks to mature and see if instead of implementing several different flavors of 5G, they might unite on one standard. 

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  • Reply 23 of 38
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    lkrupp said:

    NinjaMan said:
    still fascinates me that people who never owned a single product from a company can still have such an emotional feeling towards it. It's one thing to not like the offerings or feel like the offerings aren't quite as good as another company's but the way some of you react is, well...just sad. Unless a loved one was physically assaulted by and/or murdered by a Samsung device just chill - it's not that deep. Try some yoga or meditation, but I am a bit jealous that the rest of your life is so great that your only source of stress you can find in it is from a company that doesn't know, will never know or care that you exist...  
    Yeah, well, the reverse is more true. We have a number of users here who have never owned or used an Apple product but constantly post in these forums. And it’s almost always negative or supportive of the competition. What’s that all about? I may be an Apple fanboy but I don’t go posting on Samsung or Android tech blogs about it. Apple detractors seem obsessed with the company and compelled to post negative narratives.

    Religion is like that.
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  • Reply 24 of 38
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,324member
    Beats said:
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    macgui said:
    badmonk said:
    FaceID knockoff?  
    I think 'knockoff' is inappropriate seeing as how Sammie had it before Apple, even though it wasn't very good. Apple took the ball, ran with it, and scored big. Still Sammie had it first.

    But the new S20 line, like Apple's 11 line, is mostly just more of the same. Improving performance through newer technology, but no new killer feature(s). All the phones score better than the competition in one area or another.

    The Z (Zed) interests me more than the S20 line. I think a dependable, durable folding screen is still a long way off but I like that Sammie isn't giving up on it. I still prefer a small screen on the outside and a larger screen when opened. The Zed doesn't do that. But if it ran iOS, I'd give it a go.

    I'd like a peek into Apple's prototype lab to see what they've done. But it'll be years before an Apple folding phone sees the light of day.


     So what’s more important? Having something first or having a superior version of it? That’s all we ever hear from the Android crowd. Android has it first. The never mention the fact that their “firsts” almost always suck, just like Samsung’s folding phones. It takes Apple to do it right.
    This isn't true. Apple still lacks in fast charging. The tri-camera setup improved upon other iPhones (vastly) but still didn't do enough to shake the board. The low light wide angle is terrible. Wireless charging is still behind (to the point that some phones can charge wirelessly, faster than an iPhone can through its own charger/cable. Those bezels look absolutely huge in 2020. Do you think Apple will do 5G better? It's going to use an Android part ;-).

    Ok, just kidding on that last one but QC will be providing the modem. Antennas? It won't be easy to best Huawei and Qualcomm in there specialist areas.

    And as we enter the IoT age, OSes will have to adapt to a new reality. Apple has iOS, Watch OS, iPad OS. Is that the route?

    What will become of HarmonyOS? Is that the better route?

    Right now, folding phones offer something worth having. The problem is price (still high) and durability (unproven) but without these first gen models, future generations can't get better/cheaper.

    Let's not forget the first generation MBAir which was underpowered, stripped of basic connectivity and overheated. Or the butterfly keyboard etc. Did Apple get those right, right from the start?

    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    All iPhones should be able to do this:



    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?

    I love when the knockoffs announce a unique feature and everyone raves. Then kills the feature 2 years later.

    Reminds me of the morons who praise Samsungs gimmicks every year then forget about it when the next gimmick arrives.

    Unlike Apple who's still using innovations they invented 10+ years ago. The irony is that the reverse is true for Apple announcements.
    You are ignoring the comment I was replying to and offering no support for your own argument.

    Why hasn't Apple implemented the same simple, elegant solution to that problem?

    Its roots are in the Honor Magic which is long before the iPhone X.

    The features are not 'unique'. There are lots more examples but that raises the question of what a knock-off is in the first place, doesn't it? If Apple doesn't have the hardware or the feature, it can't be getting knocked off can it?
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  • Reply 25 of 38
    "Cosmic Gray" jfc is there anything they won't copy?
    The knockoffs are quite pathetic. 
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  • Reply 26 of 38

    NinjaMan said:
    still fascinates me that people who never owned a single product from a company can still have such an emotional feeling towards it. It's one thing to not like the offerings or feel like the offerings aren't quite as good as another company's but the way some of you react is, well...just sad. Unless a loved one was physically assaulted by and/or murdered by a Samsung device just chill - it's not that deep. Try some yoga or meditation, but I am a bit jealous that the rest of your life is so great that your only source of stress you can find in it is from a company that doesn't know, will never know or care that you exist...  
    You lost bro? This is an Apple site. Whining about Apple fans is like going to a Yankees site and complaining about people who like the Yankees.
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  • Reply 27 of 38
    avon b7 said:
    Beats said:
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    macgui said:
    badmonk said:
    FaceID knockoff?  
    I think 'knockoff' is inappropriate seeing as how Sammie had it before Apple, even though it wasn't very good. Apple took the ball, ran with it, and scored big. Still Sammie had it first.

    But the new S20 line, like Apple's 11 line, is mostly just more of the same. Improving performance through newer technology, but no new killer feature(s). All the phones score better than the competition in one area or another.

    The Z (Zed) interests me more than the S20 line. I think a dependable, durable folding screen is still a long way off but I like that Sammie isn't giving up on it. I still prefer a small screen on the outside and a larger screen when opened. The Zed doesn't do that. But if it ran iOS, I'd give it a go.

    I'd like a peek into Apple's prototype lab to see what they've done. But it'll be years before an Apple folding phone sees the light of day.


     So what’s more important? Having something first or having a superior version of it? That’s all we ever hear from the Android crowd. Android has it first. The never mention the fact that their “firsts” almost always suck, just like Samsung’s folding phones. It takes Apple to do it right.
    This isn't true. Apple still lacks in fast charging. The tri-camera setup improved upon other iPhones (vastly) but still didn't do enough to shake the board. The low light wide angle is terrible. Wireless charging is still behind (to the point that some phones can charge wirelessly, faster than an iPhone can through its own charger/cable. Those bezels look absolutely huge in 2020. Do you think Apple will do 5G better? It's going to use an Android part ;-).

    Ok, just kidding on that last one but QC will be providing the modem. Antennas? It won't be easy to best Huawei and Qualcomm in there specialist areas.

    And as we enter the IoT age, OSes will have to adapt to a new reality. Apple has iOS, Watch OS, iPad OS. Is that the route?

    What will become of HarmonyOS? Is that the better route?

    Right now, folding phones offer something worth having. The problem is price (still high) and durability (unproven) but without these first gen models, future generations can't get better/cheaper.

    Let's not forget the first generation MBAir which was underpowered, stripped of basic connectivity and overheated. Or the butterfly keyboard etc. Did Apple get those right, right from the start?

    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    All iPhones should be able to do this:



    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?

    I love when the knockoffs announce a unique feature and everyone raves. Then kills the feature 2 years later.

    Reminds me of the morons who praise Samsungs gimmicks every year then forget about it when the next gimmick arrives.

    Unlike Apple who's still using innovations they invented 10+ years ago. The irony is that the reverse is true for Apple announcements.
    You are ignoring the comment I was replying to and offering no support for your own argument.

    Why hasn't Apple implemented the same simple, elegant solution to that problem?

    Its roots are in the Honor Magic which is long before the iPhone X.

    The features are not 'unique'. There are lots more examples but that raises the question of what a knock-off is in the first place, doesn't it? If Apple doesn't have the hardware or the feature, it can't be getting knocked off can it?
    Happy to answer. Your chinese knockoff brand, and its Honor line in particular. To wit:


    ...knockoff is as knockoff does. 
    edited February 2020
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 28 of 38
    lkrupp said:

    NinjaMan said:
    still fascinates me that people who never owned a single product from a company can still have such an emotional feeling towards it. It's one thing to not like the offerings or feel like the offerings aren't quite as good as another company's but the way some of you react is, well...just sad. Unless a loved one was physically assaulted by and/or murdered by a Samsung device just chill - it's not that deep. Try some yoga or meditation, but I am a bit jealous that the rest of your life is so great that your only source of stress you can find in it is from a company that doesn't know, will never know or care that you exist...  
    Yeah, well, the reverse is more true. We have a number of users here who have never owned or used an Apple product but constantly post in these forums. And it’s almost always negative or supportive of the competition. What’s that all about? I may be an Apple fanboy but I don’t go posting on Samsung or Android tech blogs about it. Apple detractors seem obsessed with the company and compelled to post negative narratives.
    ahh, the "they're stupid so why can't I be stupid as well" argument 
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  • Reply 29 of 38
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,324member
    avon b7 said:
    Beats said:
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    macgui said:
    badmonk said:
    FaceID knockoff?  
    I think 'knockoff' is inappropriate seeing as how Sammie had it before Apple, even though it wasn't very good. Apple took the ball, ran with it, and scored big. Still Sammie had it first.

    But the new S20 line, like Apple's 11 line, is mostly just more of the same. Improving performance through newer technology, but no new killer feature(s). All the phones score better than the competition in one area or another.

    The Z (Zed) interests me more than the S20 line. I think a dependable, durable folding screen is still a long way off but I like that Sammie isn't giving up on it. I still prefer a small screen on the outside and a larger screen when opened. The Zed doesn't do that. But if it ran iOS, I'd give it a go.

    I'd like a peek into Apple's prototype lab to see what they've done. But it'll be years before an Apple folding phone sees the light of day.


     So what’s more important? Having something first or having a superior version of it? That’s all we ever hear from the Android crowd. Android has it first. The never mention the fact that their “firsts” almost always suck, just like Samsung’s folding phones. It takes Apple to do it right.
    This isn't true. Apple still lacks in fast charging. The tri-camera setup improved upon other iPhones (vastly) but still didn't do enough to shake the board. The low light wide angle is terrible. Wireless charging is still behind (to the point that some phones can charge wirelessly, faster than an iPhone can through its own charger/cable. Those bezels look absolutely huge in 2020. Do you think Apple will do 5G better? It's going to use an Android part ;-).

    Ok, just kidding on that last one but QC will be providing the modem. Antennas? It won't be easy to best Huawei and Qualcomm in there specialist areas.

    And as we enter the IoT age, OSes will have to adapt to a new reality. Apple has iOS, Watch OS, iPad OS. Is that the route?

    What will become of HarmonyOS? Is that the better route?

    Right now, folding phones offer something worth having. The problem is price (still high) and durability (unproven) but without these first gen models, future generations can't get better/cheaper.

    Let's not forget the first generation MBAir which was underpowered, stripped of basic connectivity and overheated. Or the butterfly keyboard etc. Did Apple get those right, right from the start?

    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    All iPhones should be able to do this:



    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?

    I love when the knockoffs announce a unique feature and everyone raves. Then kills the feature 2 years later.

    Reminds me of the morons who praise Samsungs gimmicks every year then forget about it when the next gimmick arrives.

    Unlike Apple who's still using innovations they invented 10+ years ago. The irony is that the reverse is true for Apple announcements.
    You are ignoring the comment I was replying to and offering no support for your own argument.

    Why hasn't Apple implemented the same simple, elegant solution to that problem?

    Its roots are in the Honor Magic which is long before the iPhone X.

    The features are not 'unique'. There are lots more examples but that raises the question of what a knock-off is in the first place, doesn't it? If Apple doesn't have the hardware or the feature, it can't be getting knocked off can it?
    Happy to answer. Your chinese knockoff brand, and its Honor line in particular. To wit:


    ...knockoff is as knockoff does. 
    That isn't an answer. How many Huawei/Honor buds have you seen? Huawei is a little more than that don't you think?

    Why not open your mind a little and see what else is out there. The question remains. Who were they knocking off if Apple doesn't even have those features?

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  • Reply 30 of 38
    Beatsbeats Posts: 3,073member
    lkrupp said:
    macgui said:
    badmonk said:
    FaceID knockoff?  
    I think 'knockoff' is inappropriate seeing as how Sammie had it before Apple, even though it wasn't very good. Apple took the ball, ran with it, and scored big. Still Sammie had it first.

    But the new S20 line, like Apple's 11 line, is mostly just more of the same. Improving performance through newer technology, but no new killer feature(s). All the phones score better than the competition in one area or another.

    The Z (Zed) interests me more than the S20 line. I think a dependable, durable folding screen is still a long way off but I like that Sammie isn't giving up on it. I still prefer a small screen on the outside and a larger screen when opened. The Zed doesn't do that. But if it ran iOS, I'd give it a go.

    I'd like a peek into Apple's prototype lab to see what they've done. But it'll be years before an Apple folding phone sees the light of day.


     So what’s more important? Having something first or having a superior version of it? That’s all we ever hear from the Android crowd. Android has it first. The never mention the fact that their “firsts” almost always suck, just like Samsung’s folding phones. It takes Apple to do it right.

    Samsung never had Face ID. This guy is just the product of Samsungs manipulation.

    iKnockoff users believe these knockoff companies release original ideas when it's really just a race to rip off Apple patents(Galaxy Gear, curved display lol). It works though! A lot of iKnockoff defenders think Samsung invented these features lol.
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  • Reply 31 of 38
    This is referred to as sub-6GHz 5G and is being used alongside 4G equipment to quicken the rollout.
    I can INTUIT what you're trying to say, but THERE CAN('T) BE ONLY ONE way to describe speeding up a process.
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  • Reply 32 of 38
    avon b7 said:
    <snip>
    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    <snip>

    Those blanket statements don't really lead anywhere.
    FTFY? :wink:

    avon b7 said:
    <snip>
    All iPhones should be able to do this:
    <snip video link>
    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?
    I'm a little perplexed that you describe this as a common problem - I've never seen people put their phones down on a plinth and walk around while still paying attention to it, but then again I don't get out much so I'll defer to your expertise. I've also never seen an issue with rotating the device in my hand and having the displayed image rotate to match (what, in the video, HW claims "other phones" do) but, again, I'm iPhone only and the few Android phones I see in the wild don't exhibit the problem. A bit scary if that particular tidbit is not just marketing fluff.

    It's certainly interesting technology, and we know that phones are devoting more resources over time to observing us and reacting to our perceived intent. I remain unconvinced that this is anything other than something you would use in a demo, because personally I'm a little creeped out by it.
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  • Reply 33 of 38
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,324member
    avon b7 said:
    <snip>
    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    <snip>

    Those blanket statements don't really lead anywhere.
    FTFY? :wink:

    avon b7 said:
    <snip>
    All iPhones should be able to do this:
    <snip video link>
    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?
    I'm a little perplexed that you describe this as a common problem - I've never seen people put their phones down on a plinth and walk around while still paying attention to it, but then again I don't get out much so I'll defer to your expertise. I've also never seen an issue with rotating the device in my hand and having the displayed image rotate to match (what, in the video, HW claims "other phones" do) but, again, I'm iPhone only and the few Android phones I see in the wild don't exhibit the problem. A bit scary if that particular tidbit is not just marketing fluff.

    It's certainly interesting technology, and we know that phones are devoting more resources over time to observing us and reacting to our perceived intent. I remain unconvinced that this is anything other than something you would use in a demo, because personally I'm a little creeped out by it.
    The video is to drive the point home. This kind of feature is fairly old now. It is an override to a pre-established user setting depending on specific conditions.

    If your phone is horizontal you might have it set to switch to landscape mode but what if you are also horizontal? Do you still want it to switch to landscape mode?

    As I said, this kind of feature is even pre iPhone X which is couple of years ago now. The 'intelligence' behind this type of 'overriding' is where things are improving.

    The example was just a clear example of something 'simple' with an elegant solution.

    The iPhone X and later definitely didn't have this kind of feature. I don't know if it has been added recently.

    The Honor Magic laid the groundwork for this kind of 'intelligence'. For example if your phone detects you are in or near a pick up point and knows you also have an Amazon package to pick up, it will load the necessary information to handle the pick-up.

    Or sensors in the screen to track your finger before you actually touch an element and prepare apps for launch.

    The point wasn't so much this feature or that feature. It was a reflection on 'everything is an Apple knock-off' mindset.



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  • Reply 34 of 38
    lghulm said:
    So higher resolution screen - but beyond the point it makes a useful real world difference, so irrelevant

    Large screen is good. 

    More RAM - but only required because Android runs poorly, even with triple the ram capable of no more than the Apple model

    Why does it matter? Anyway, my Pixel 3a XL ran just fine on 4GB.

    Screen capable of higher refresh - but no practical purpose for a normal user, phone will not run demanding games at such a high rate anyway

    Why not? Same can be said for Apple and their specs. Why make a phone so fast?

    5G Networking - but 5G footprint is basically non-existent and 4G provides sufficient speed for every consumer use case

    And why not have what's available? you want yesterday's tech?

    Higher res camera - but no consumer use case for such high megapixels

    Really? Lame comment.

    Larger battery - but no more or worse real world battery life

    That's all you can come up with? Drawing at straws?

    ---
    Wow outstanding Samsung.


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  • Reply 35 of 38
    Beats said:
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    macgui said:
    badmonk said:
    FaceID knockoff?  
    I think 'knockoff' is inappropriate seeing as how Sammie had it before Apple, even though it wasn't very good. Apple took the ball, ran with it, and scored big. Still Sammie had it first.

    But the new S20 line, like Apple's 11 line, is mostly just more of the same. Improving performance through newer technology, but no new killer feature(s). All the phones score better than the competition in one area or another.

    The Z (Zed) interests me more than the S20 line. I think a dependable, durable folding screen is still a long way off but I like that Sammie isn't giving up on it. I still prefer a small screen on the outside and a larger screen when opened. The Zed doesn't do that. But if it ran iOS, I'd give it a go.

    I'd like a peek into Apple's prototype lab to see what they've done. But it'll be years before an Apple folding phone sees the light of day.


     So what’s more important? Having something first or having a superior version of it? That’s all we ever hear from the Android crowd. Android has it first. The never mention the fact that their “firsts” almost always suck, just like Samsung’s folding phones. It takes Apple to do it right.
    This isn't true. Apple still lacks in fast charging. The tri-camera setup improved upon other iPhones (vastly) but still didn't do enough to shake the board. The low light wide angle is terrible. Wireless charging is still behind (to the point that some phones can charge wirelessly, faster than an iPhone can through its own charger/cable. Those bezels look absolutely huge in 2020. Do you think Apple will do 5G better? It's going to use an Android part ;-).

    Ok, just kidding on that last one but QC will be providing the modem. Antennas? It won't be easy to best Huawei and Qualcomm in there specialist areas.

    And as we enter the IoT age, OSes will have to adapt to a new reality. Apple has iOS, Watch OS, iPad OS. Is that the route?

    What will become of HarmonyOS? Is that the better route?

    Right now, folding phones offer something worth having. The problem is price (still high) and durability (unproven) but without these first gen models, future generations can't get better/cheaper.

    Let's not forget the first generation MBAir which was underpowered, stripped of basic connectivity and overheated. Or the butterfly keyboard etc. Did Apple get those right, right from the start?

    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    All iPhones should be able to do this:



    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?

    I love when the knockoffs announce a unique feature and everyone raves. Then kills the feature 2 years later.

    Reminds me of the morons who praise Samsungs gimmicks every year then forget about it when the next gimmick arrives.

    Unlike Apple who's still using innovations they invented 10+ years ago. The irony is that the reverse is true for Apple announcements.
    Like what about: 3D touch. And Mag safe. Lightning is next.
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  • Reply 36 of 38

    NinjaMan said:
    still fascinates me that people who never owned a single product from a company can still have such an emotional feeling towards it. It's one thing to not like the offerings or feel like the offerings aren't quite as good as another company's but the way some of you react is, well...just sad. Unless a loved one was physically assaulted by and/or murdered by a Samsung device just chill - it's not that deep. Try some yoga or meditation, but I am a bit jealous that the rest of your life is so great that your only source of stress you can find in it is from a company that doesn't know, will never know or care that you exist...  
    You lost bro? This is an Apple site. Whining about Apple fans is like going to a Yankees site and complaining about people who like the Yankees.
    People are off the deep end here. I thought the Apple is glorified, others be damned days were over, but not here. I had an account here when this site started up 23 years ago and this thinking was mostly justified. No longer. 
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    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    Beats said:
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    macgui said:
    badmonk said:
    FaceID knockoff?  
    I think 'knockoff' is inappropriate seeing as how Sammie had it before Apple, even though it wasn't very good. Apple took the ball, ran with it, and scored big. Still Sammie had it first.

    But the new S20 line, like Apple's 11 line, is mostly just more of the same. Improving performance through newer technology, but no new killer feature(s). All the phones score better than the competition in one area or another.

    The Z (Zed) interests me more than the S20 line. I think a dependable, durable folding screen is still a long way off but I like that Sammie isn't giving up on it. I still prefer a small screen on the outside and a larger screen when opened. The Zed doesn't do that. But if it ran iOS, I'd give it a go.

    I'd like a peek into Apple's prototype lab to see what they've done. But it'll be years before an Apple folding phone sees the light of day.


     So what’s more important? Having something first or having a superior version of it? That’s all we ever hear from the Android crowd. Android has it first. The never mention the fact that their “firsts” almost always suck, just like Samsung’s folding phones. It takes Apple to do it right.
    This isn't true. Apple still lacks in fast charging. The tri-camera setup improved upon other iPhones (vastly) but still didn't do enough to shake the board. The low light wide angle is terrible. Wireless charging is still behind (to the point that some phones can charge wirelessly, faster than an iPhone can through its own charger/cable. Those bezels look absolutely huge in 2020. Do you think Apple will do 5G better? It's going to use an Android part ;-).

    Ok, just kidding on that last one but QC will be providing the modem. Antennas? It won't be easy to best Huawei and Qualcomm in there specialist areas.

    And as we enter the IoT age, OSes will have to adapt to a new reality. Apple has iOS, Watch OS, iPad OS. Is that the route?

    What will become of HarmonyOS? Is that the better route?

    Right now, folding phones offer something worth having. The problem is price (still high) and durability (unproven) but without these first gen models, future generations can't get better/cheaper.

    Let's not forget the first generation MBAir which was underpowered, stripped of basic connectivity and overheated. Or the butterfly keyboard etc. Did Apple get those right, right from the start?

    There are plenty of things that Android has done better for a long time.

    All iPhones should be able to do this:



    Isn't that  a 'superior' way of resolving a very common problem?

    I love when the knockoffs announce a unique feature and everyone raves. Then kills the feature 2 years later.

    Reminds me of the morons who praise Samsungs gimmicks every year then forget about it when the next gimmick arrives.

    Unlike Apple who's still using innovations they invented 10+ years ago. The irony is that the reverse is true for Apple announcements.
    You are ignoring the comment I was replying to and offering no support for your own argument.

    Why hasn't Apple implemented the same simple, elegant solution to that problem?

    Its roots are in the Honor Magic which is long before the iPhone X.

    The features are not 'unique'. There are lots more examples but that raises the question of what a knock-off is in the first place, doesn't it? If Apple doesn't have the hardware or the feature, it can't be getting knocked off can it?
    Happy to answer. Your chinese knockoff brand, and its Honor line in particular. To wit:


    ...knockoff is as knockoff does. 
    That isn't an answer. How many Huawei/Honor buds have you seen? Huawei is a little more than that don't you think?

    Why not open your mind a little and see what else is out there. The question remains. Who were they knocking off if Apple doesn't even have those features?

    Have yet to see you ever actually acknowledge your chinese knockoff brand flat out rips off Apple designs, as evidenced with the above "FlyPods" or whatever the fuck they are, and that is the definition of "knockoff" brand (your supposed question). You simply redirect over, and over, and...
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    NinjaMan said:
    still fascinates me that people who never owned a single product from a company can still have such an emotional feeling towards it. It's one thing to not like the offerings or feel like the offerings aren't quite as good as another company's but the way some of you react is, well...just sad. Unless a loved one was physically assaulted by and/or murdered by a Samsung device just chill - it's not that deep. Try some yoga or meditation, but I am a bit jealous that the rest of your life is so great that your only source of stress you can find in it is from a company that doesn't know, will never know or care that you exist...  
    You lost bro? This is an Apple site. Whining about Apple fans is like going to a Yankees site and complaining about people who like the Yankees.
    There's being a fan and then there are a$$hole fans - no reason to be the a$$hole
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