Apple considering allowing third-party apps to replace defaults on iOS, HomePod

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  • Reply 21 of 59
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,337member
    Apple allowing users choice of default core apps like Mail and Safari would be monumental... and great. Add Maps and it would be fantastic.  
    Maps on a HomePod? How does that work?

    Apple considering allowing third-party apps to replace defaults on iOS, HomePod


    Default apps in IOS & Homepod... Is what is Apple is supposedly considering.  Seems the comma makes the headline confusing..
  • Reply 22 of 59
    Apple allowing users choice of default core apps like Mail and Safari would be monumental... and great. Add Maps and it would be fantastic.  
    Maps on a HomePod? How does that work?
    Never heard about reading the maps?
  • Reply 23 of 59
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    ElCapitan said:
    Apple allowing users choice of default core apps like Mail and Safari would be monumental... and great. Add Maps and it would be fantastic.  
    Maps on a HomePod? How does that work?
    Never heard about reading the maps?
    While not impossible, but still limited while in a home, so it's infinitely improbable unless Apple opens up the HomePad to 3rd-party devs who want to include that.

    But all that's beside the point since CloudTalkin was clearly referring to being able to change the default mapping app in iOS, not the HomePod.
    CloudTalkin
  • Reply 24 of 59
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    Rayz2016 said:

    While we are at it, can we get the Google search page show a list of alternative browsers other than Chrome?



    Gatorbait

    gatorguy said:

    While we are at it, can we get the Google search page show a list of alternative browsers other than Chrome?



    Not entirely certain I understand what it is you want. I can't imagine a Google Search box being allowed in a Bing or DDG browser.

    If you're in Europe you will have that option if using Google's native OS (Android). There will be several 3rd party browsers to choose from as a default search provider, varying by region. Is that what you mean? I know it seems to make sense that it's Google's Android (not the open-source version) and their own apps being default would be expected just as iOS uses Apple's own first-party apps, but it's still disagreeable to the EU authorities who consider it anticompetitive.

    Just as Apple is being pressured into doing this now, Google was the EU's first target and the reason for having a choice of default browsers on Android. Left on their own I doubt either Google or Apple would be considering allowing defaults to anything other than their own first party services except in minor instances,  altho Android is more agreeable to using 3rd party apps to replace first-party services.


    It worked! XD
  • Reply 25 of 59
    I really like Messages, but the limitation of been only available at iOS and MacOS make it impossible to use as primary message service.
    Whatsapp is becoming more and more the message standard.
    Nowadays I almost never use messages...
    Safari, al Mail for me are great, I have tried different apps, (Gmail, Outlook, blue mail, spark, Airmail, Newton), but the simplicity and integration with MacOS have bring me back every time.
  • Reply 26 of 59
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Beats said:
    Rayz2016 said:

    While we are at it, can we get the Google search page show a list of alternative browsers other than Chrome?



    Gatorbait

    gatorguy said:

    While we are at it, can we get the Google search page show a list of alternative browsers other than Chrome?



    Not entirely certain I understand what it is you want. I can't imagine a Google Search box being allowed in a Bing or DDG browser.

    If you're in Europe you will have that option if using Google's native OS (Android). There will be several 3rd party browsers to choose from as a default search provider, varying by region. Is that what you mean? I know it seems to make sense that it's Google's Android (not the open-source version) and their own apps being default would be expected just as iOS uses Apple's own first-party apps, but it's still disagreeable to the EU authorities who consider it anticompetitive.

    Just as Apple is being pressured into doing this now, Google was the EU's first target and the reason for having a choice of default browsers on Android. Left on their own I doubt either Google or Apple would be considering allowing defaults to anything other than their own first party services except in minor instances,  altho Android is more agreeable to using 3rd party apps to replace first-party services.


    It worked! XD
    You would think someone else would offer to accurately answer more often than rarely when a member has a Google question, and there seems to be a lot of misunderstandings and questions posted here. I'll help where I can.
  • Reply 27 of 59
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,673member
    gatorguy said:

    While we are at it, can we get the Google search page show a list of alternative browsers other than Chrome?



    Not entirely certain I understand what it is you want. I can't imagine a Google Search box being allowed in a Bing or DDG browser.

    If you're in Europe you will have that option if using Google's native OS (Android). There will be several 3rd party browsers to choose from as a default search provider, varying by region. Is that what you mean? I know it seems to make sense that it's Google's Android (not the open-source version) and their own apps being default would be expected just as iOS uses Apple's own first-party apps, but it's still disagreeable to the EU authorities who consider it anticompetitive.

    Just as Apple is being pressured into doing this now, Google was the EU's first target and the reason for having a choice of default browsers on Android. Left on their own I doubt either Google or Apple would be considering allowing defaults to anything other than their own first party services except in minor instances,  altho Android is more agreeable to using 3rd party apps to replace first-party services.

    It boggles my mind that people don't see the glaring difference between Apple and Google here. You cannot compare iOS with Android. iOS ONLY exists on Apple devices. Android exists on many, many OEM devices.  The "rules" for each are going to be extremely different in how they're managed.

    Apple limiting what their OS can and can't do, affects the end user, who chose to buy an Apple device.

    Google limiting what their OS can and can't do affects the OEMs and THEIR end users, users who may have chosen to buy that OEM's device, not Google's OS. Google needs to allow a certain amount of customization to happen in order for OEMs to differentiate their devices from others that run Android.


    SoliCloudTalkin
  • Reply 28 of 59
    Apple allowing users choice of default core apps like Mail and Safari would be monumental... and great. Add Maps and it would be fantastic.  
    Maps on a HomePod? How does that work?
    You put it in your car in the front seat and it tells you when you missed the turn. It also lets you use the carpool lane. 
    /s
    “Well, little buddy... where are we headed today?”
  • Reply 29 of 59
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,311member
    I think this is a good idea. It's something that is allowed with MacOS, Windows, Linux, and Android. This should be allowed on iOS also.  Unlike those, All the browsers on iOS already use Apple's Webkit anyway.  As someone who is in the Windows/iOS world. I'm trying to move more and more away from Google, and that includes Chrome.  So I'm starting to give EDGE a try now on both devices.  

    Think about this.  Apple is ALREADY doing this with Passwords!!!  Right!!!  You can use Apple's Keychain as always.  I use LastPass myself, while others can use 1Password or something else.  These are the Defaults.  I turned OFF Keychain in fact and the Default is LastPass!!!!  So Apple has already gone this route for 1 thing.  Why not take that next step to allow Default on Web Browser, Email.  I have normally used the gmail app since I have a gmail account, which I'm also slowly moving away from.  Apple Maps have gone a long, long way since it first launched, but some people like Google Maps, or WYZE which I use a lot.  In other countries, many of them, Apple Maps still sucks!!! 

    Maybe there also should be a default for what to use when playing video or music?  Agan something all the other OS's allow you to pick.  You also can just leave everything as it, it's default. A lot of people left iOS because they don't have a choice and would come back if they now have a choice. 


    edited February 2020
  • Reply 30 of 59
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,311member
    lkrupp said:
    There goes the ecosystem.
    You do realize that Apple has ALREADY done this?  As in a Password Manager!!!!  Apple's Keychain which is used between Mac's and iOS devices.  That is a key app.  You shouldn't be able to remember any of your passwords.  If you can, you're asking for it.

    With iOS12, Apple opened it up to 3rd party apps.  I have Keychain turned OFF completely and use LastPass in its place.  It's been great and works pretty good.  I'm in the Windows/iOS world.  Keychain doesn't help me on Windows.  It also only does a fraction of what LastPass does.  KeyChain is pretty basic. 

    That is Apple already opening up a key feature of iOS to 3rd partys.  LastPass is my default on iOS.  
  • Reply 31 of 59
    The EU should force Apple (and others) to adhere to these kind of standards. 


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  • Reply 32 of 59
    LeoMCLeoMC Posts: 102member
    ElCapitan said:
    Are they getting nervous over possible EU antitrust sanctions and fines?
    No, antitrust deals with dominant companies and Apple only has 20 - maybe 30% market share in EU.
  • Reply 33 of 59
    LeoMC said:
    ElCapitan said:
    Are they getting nervous over possible EU antitrust sanctions and fines?
    No, antitrust deals with dominant companies and Apple only has 20 - maybe 30% market share in EU.
    Their overall volume market share is not at issue.  What's at issue is their handling of the Apple ecosystem.  The one where they have near 100% market share and complete control.  So yes, they are clearly making decisions that are influenced by possible EU and US antitrust issues.
    gatorguyavon b7
  • Reply 34 of 59
    LeoMCLeoMC Posts: 102member
    Their overall volume market share is not at issue.  What's at issue is their handling of the Apple ecosystem.  The one where they have near 100% market share and complete control.  So yes, they are clearly making decisions that are influenced by possible EU and US antitrust issues.
    You first have to learn what "antitrust issues" are before writing stupid things on the internet.
    As long as the majority of the customers has numerous other choices, it's nobody's business what Apple does inside its ecosystem.
    The only metric that can determine an antitrust investigation is the power it has and power for a company is the market share.
  • Reply 35 of 59
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    LeoMC said:
    Their overall volume market share is not at issue.  What's at issue is their handling of the Apple ecosystem.  The one where they have near 100% market share and complete control.  So yes, they are clearly making decisions that are influenced by possible EU and US antitrust issues.
    You first have to learn what "antitrust issues" are before writing stupid things on the internet.
    As long as the majority of the customers has numerous other choices, it's nobody's business what Apple does inside its ecosystem.
    The only metric that can determine an antitrust investigation is the power it has and power for a company is the market share.
    Wrong.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/230010850/Steve-Berman-Settlement-Letter?ad_group=xxc1xx&campaign=VigLink&medium=affiliate&source=hp_affiliate
  • Reply 36 of 59
    LeoMCLeoMC Posts: 102member
    When did NY, United States moved to EU?
    Besides, Apple's market share in US is different than its share in EU.
  • Reply 37 of 59
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    LeoMC said:
    When did NY, United States moved to EU?
    Besides, Apple's market share in US is different than its share in EU.
    Does NY, United States qualify as "nobody" then?

    Besides, Apple's share of the eBooks market has never been a majority.

    You are wrong, a company does not have to have majority market share to indulge in anti-competitive behaviour and attract regulatory scrutiny.  Of course, regulators may not pursue such behaviour if they don't think the scale or the damage is worth their time, but that's a different matter entirely.
    edited February 2020 gatorguyavon b7
  • Reply 38 of 59
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    LeoMC said:
    When did NY, United States moved to EU?
    Besides, Apple's market share in US is different than its share in EU.
    Well Brussels is absolutely in the EU:
    https://www.ft.com/content/e65c9a76-f039-11e9-bfa4-b25f11f42901
  • Reply 39 of 59
    LeoMCLeoMC Posts: 102member
    crowley said:
    LeoMC said:
    When did NY, United States moved to EU?
    Besides, Apple's market share in US is different than its share in EU.
    Does NY, United States qualify as "nobody" then?

    Besides, Apple's share of the eBooks market has never been a majority.

    You are wrong, a company does not have to have majority market share to indulge in anti-competitive behaviour and attract regulatory scrutiny.  Of course, regulators may not pursue such behaviour if they don't think the scale or the damage is worth their time, but that's a different matter entirely.
    In this case, yes it does.
    NY - and whatever a NY court decides - is irrelevant as long as it's not part of EU.
    gatorguy said:
    LeoMC said:
    When did NY, United States moved to EU?
    Besides, Apple's market share in US is different than its share in EU.
    Well Brussels is absolutely in the EU:
    https://www.ft.com/content/e65c9a76-f039-11e9-bfa4-b25f11f42901

    An investigation is just that: an investigation; starting an investigation doesn't necessarily mean that Apple did something wrong.
  • Reply 40 of 59
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    LeoMC said:
    crowley said:
    LeoMC said:
    When did NY, United States moved to EU?
    Besides, Apple's market share in US is different than its share in EU.
    Does NY, United States qualify as "nobody" then?

    Besides, Apple's share of the eBooks market has never been a majority.

    You are wrong, a company does not have to have majority market share to indulge in anti-competitive behaviour and attract regulatory scrutiny.  Of course, regulators may not pursue such behaviour if they don't think the scale or the damage is worth their time, but that's a different matter entirely.
    In this case, yes it does.
    NY - and whatever a NY court decides - is irrelevant as long as it's not part of EU.
    gatorguy said:
    LeoMC said:
    When did NY, United States moved to EU?
    Besides, Apple's market share in US is different than its share in EU.
    Well Brussels is absolutely in the EU:
    https://www.ft.com/content/e65c9a76-f039-11e9-bfa4-b25f11f42901

    An investigation is just that: an investigation; starting an investigation doesn't necessarily mean that Apple did something wrong.
    It's evidence that YOU are wrong. Obviously there would be no investigation if Apple's actions did not fall under antitrust concerns to begin with based on what you believe qualifies. The EU therefore does not agree with your measuring stick. 
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