Where is Apple going next with Services?

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  • Reply 41 of 86
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Japhey said:
    I think health and fitness are the obvious next stage service opportunities. There are hundreds of paid subscription apps for meditation, yoga, training, etc on the App Store. Apple could offer them all under one banner, leverage the popularity of the Apple Watch, and throw in the occasional celebrity guest leading a live class. Home workouts are one of the fastest growing trends in fitness right now, and Apple would have no problem cashing in on it. $4.99 or $9.99 a month? It wouldn’t matter. Such a service would surpass Apple News+ on day one. 
    Just my opinion. 
    I think there are almost limitless opportunities ahead for Apple in healthcare, ranging from monitoring, A.I.-assisted diagnosis and perhaps even physical therapy using devices or robotics. Robotics is another vast new evolving area for them to enter and dominate.
    edited March 2020 Japhey
  • Reply 42 of 86
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 965member
    I would love to see Apple develop a VNO service for phones and residential ISP, by reselling landline and wireless on their own network with a high level of security and (optional) international roaming.

  • Reply 43 of 86
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    All of Apple's services thus far are just meh. Music, TV, Arcade, News. Just meh. None of them are an awesome deal or must have content. They are just meh. Apple Pay would be OK but it only works a few places so it too is meh.
    Disagree with you on the Apple Pay. It’s terrific and as long as more places keep adopting it, I’ll keep using it instead of cash.
    Beatsmcdave
  • Reply 44 of 86
    sirozhasirozha Posts: 801member
    All of Apple's services thus far are just meh. Music, TV, Arcade, News. Just meh. None of them are an awesome deal or must have content. They are just meh. Apple Pay would be OK but it only works a few places so it too is meh.
    Apple Pay works in a lot of places. Any place that takes a contactless payment takes Apple Pay even if they don't advertise or know it. When I travel to Canada, Apple Pay works pretty much everywhere without exception because all of their credit card terminals are enabled for contactless payments unless the terminals are 10 years old. 
  • Reply 45 of 86
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,201member
    sirozha said:
    All of Apple's services thus far are just meh. Music, TV, Arcade, News. Just meh. None of them are an awesome deal or must have content. They are just meh. Apple Pay would be OK but it only works a few places so it too is meh.
    Apple Pay works in a lot of places. Any place that takes a contactless payment takes Apple Pay even if they don't advertise or know it. When I travel to Canada, Apple Pay works pretty much everywhere without exception because all of their credit card terminals are enabled for contactless payments unless the terminals are 10 years old. 
    ApplePay is an interesting one. I really was intrigued with the idea. I wanted it to work. But as I mentioned earlier in the thread I had very poor luck with it and abandoned it after a couple of weeks and several attempts. 
    There are supposed to be two benefits to ApplePay:
    Increased security, but I haven't had a problem with this. Chip and Pin is quite secure so any improvement is theoretical. 
    Improved convenience, this was something I did not see at all. I'm either pulling out my wallet, getting the card, and tapping or I'm pulling out my phone, fiddling with it, and tapping. There really is, for me anyway, no difference or advantage to ApplePay over what I'm doing, what I KNOW is going to work every time.
    In the end I saw no reason to continue the experiment.
    I might have fought harder to get ApplePay to work for me but it was going to be a fair amount of hassle and retraining old habits, for essentially nothing.

    Oh and for the record I'm in Nanaimo BC. I had one successful transaction and three flat out failures.
    edited March 2020 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 46 of 86
    FatmanFatman Posts: 513member
    Cloud services will expand to add Dropbox-like features and at some point become required for iPhone users (AWS is a completely different animal that Apple won’t go after anytime soon), Card services will continue to expand internationally and grow its base through aggressive marketing & promotions, Apple Pay will become a bigger threat to PayPal & Venmo. Apple TV will continue to poach the best in the business, continue to develop content and go head to head with Netflix - but it will take time, Games will also slowly evolve until one day Nintendo will wonder where their market went. As for new services .... maybe a real alternative to Microsoft Office 365? Apple Health will be a standard for personal health record keeping adopted by health providers, and finally Siri will still be as useless as ever :-)
  • Reply 47 of 86
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,251member

    sirozha said:
    Apple should have bought Tesla and made Musk Apple’s CEO. Perhaps Cook is a talented COO, but he has no vision and no place to be CEO of Apple. 
    Ok now we know not to take you seriously. Replace Cook, who built the first trillion dollar public company, with Musk, who struggles to earn a profit. Hmm nope. You misunderstand the job duties of the CEO. Being a product visionary is not it. In fact, that’s a rare CEO who handles product development, I can only name one or two. Running the company well is the job duty of the CEO. 

    Don't quit your day job. 
    Do you really think that Cook was the one who built the $1T company?  As a CEO, Cook is doing very good, but IMO, the one who really built the $1T company was Steve Jobs.  
    designr
  • Reply 48 of 86
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,201member
    danvm said:

    sirozha said:
    Apple should have bought Tesla and made Musk Apple’s CEO. Perhaps Cook is a talented COO, but he has no vision and no place to be CEO of Apple. 
    Ok now we know not to take you seriously. Replace Cook, who built the first trillion dollar public company, with Musk, who struggles to earn a profit. Hmm nope. You misunderstand the job duties of the CEO. Being a product visionary is not it. In fact, that’s a rare CEO who handles product development, I can only name one or two. Running the company well is the job duty of the CEO. 

    Don't quit your day job. 
    Do you really think that Cook was the one who built the $1T company?  As a CEO, Cook is doing very good, but IMO, the one who really built the $1T company was Steve Jobs.  
    You forget that for the last ~five years before becoming CEO, he was already doing much of the job. SJ was very sick and had a couple of extended leaves of absences. SJ was doing some of it, but TC was doing the hard day in and day out stuff. So yes SJ might have had great ideas up until the end but it was Cook who actually built Apple into a trillion $ company. 
  • Reply 49 of 86
    designrdesignr Posts: 740member
    DAalseth said:
    danvm said:

    sirozha said:
    Apple should have bought Tesla and made Musk Apple’s CEO. Perhaps Cook is a talented COO, but he has no vision and no place to be CEO of Apple. 
    Ok now we know not to take you seriously. Replace Cook, who built the first trillion dollar public company, with Musk, who struggles to earn a profit. Hmm nope. You misunderstand the job duties of the CEO. Being a product visionary is not it. In fact, that’s a rare CEO who handles product development, I can only name one or two. Running the company well is the job duty of the CEO. 

    Don't quit your day job. 
    Do you really think that Cook was the one who built the $1T company?  As a CEO, Cook is doing very good, but IMO, the one who really built the $1T company was Steve Jobs.  
    You forget that for the last ~five years before becoming CEO, he was already doing much of the job. SJ was very sick and had a couple of extended leaves of absences. SJ was doing some of it, but TC was doing the hard day in and day out stuff. So yes SJ might have had great ideas up until the end but it was Cook who actually built Apple into a trillion $ company. 
    I'd say both angles (Jobs alone or Cook alone) are overly simplistic. Without Jobs there is no Apple as we know it. Same with Cook. Same with many other unsung individuals. No one person builds a billion dollar company let along a trillion dollar company.

    We could possibly debate who might be more replaceable. I suspect Steve Jobs is the least replaceable. Tim Cook more replaceable (with an execute just as capable, perhaps even more) than Jobs and on down the line. And there's also a lot to be said being in the right place at the right time.

    But all that's just barstool debating. Fun and all but relatively pointless.

    edited March 2020 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 50 of 86
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,251member
    DAalseth said:
    danvm said:

    sirozha said:
    Apple should have bought Tesla and made Musk Apple’s CEO. Perhaps Cook is a talented COO, but he has no vision and no place to be CEO of Apple. 
    Ok now we know not to take you seriously. Replace Cook, who built the first trillion dollar public company, with Musk, who struggles to earn a profit. Hmm nope. You misunderstand the job duties of the CEO. Being a product visionary is not it. In fact, that’s a rare CEO who handles product development, I can only name one or two. Running the company well is the job duty of the CEO. 

    Don't quit your day job. 
    Do you really think that Cook was the one who built the $1T company?  As a CEO, Cook is doing very good, but IMO, the one who really built the $1T company was Steve Jobs.  
    You forget that for the last ~five years before becoming CEO, he was already doing much of the job. SJ was very sick and had a couple of extended leaves of absences. SJ was doing some of it, but TC was doing the hard day in and day out stuff. So yes SJ might have had great ideas up until the end but it was Cook who actually built Apple into a trillion $ company. 
    My point is that SJ is the one who built the foundation for the $1T company, not Tim Cook.  Tim Cook is doing an excellent job as a CEO, but the business SJ gave to him was already a strong one.  If you asked me, I'm more impressed by Jeff Bezos, that build his company from the ground up, or even Satya Nadella with the turn around he made with MS, something many consider an impossible task.  And just to be clear, I still consider that Cook is doing very good as a CEO, IMO...
  • Reply 51 of 86
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    danvm said:
    DAalseth said:
    danvm said:

    sirozha said:
    Apple should have bought Tesla and made Musk Apple’s CEO. Perhaps Cook is a talented COO, but he has no vision and no place to be CEO of Apple. 
    Ok now we know not to take you seriously. Replace Cook, who built the first trillion dollar public company, with Musk, who struggles to earn a profit. Hmm nope. You misunderstand the job duties of the CEO. Being a product visionary is not it. In fact, that’s a rare CEO who handles product development, I can only name one or two. Running the company well is the job duty of the CEO. 

    Don't quit your day job. 
    Do you really think that Cook was the one who built the $1T company?  As a CEO, Cook is doing very good, but IMO, the one who really built the $1T company was Steve Jobs.  
    You forget that for the last ~five years before becoming CEO, he was already doing much of the job. SJ was very sick and had a couple of extended leaves of absences. SJ was doing some of it, but TC was doing the hard day in and day out stuff. So yes SJ might have had great ideas up until the end but it was Cook who actually built Apple into a trillion $ company. 
    My point is that SJ is the one who built the foundation for the $1T company, not Tim Cook.  Tim Cook is doing an excellent job as a CEO, but the business SJ gave to him was already a strong one.  If you asked me, I'm more impressed by Jeff Bezos, that build his company from the ground up, or even Satya Nadella with the turn around he made with MS, something many consider an impossible task.  And just to be clear, I still consider that Cook is doing very good as a CEO, IMO...

    Bill Gates is the one who built the foundation for the $1T company by stealing from Apple, not Satya Nadella. 
    mcdave
  • Reply 52 of 86
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,251member
    Beats said:
    danvm said:
    DAalseth said:
    danvm said:

    sirozha said:
    Apple should have bought Tesla and made Musk Apple’s CEO. Perhaps Cook is a talented COO, but he has no vision and no place to be CEO of Apple. 
    Ok now we know not to take you seriously. Replace Cook, who built the first trillion dollar public company, with Musk, who struggles to earn a profit. Hmm nope. You misunderstand the job duties of the CEO. Being a product visionary is not it. In fact, that’s a rare CEO who handles product development, I can only name one or two. Running the company well is the job duty of the CEO. 

    Don't quit your day job. 
    Do you really think that Cook was the one who built the $1T company?  As a CEO, Cook is doing very good, but IMO, the one who really built the $1T company was Steve Jobs.  
    You forget that for the last ~five years before becoming CEO, he was already doing much of the job. SJ was very sick and had a couple of extended leaves of absences. SJ was doing some of it, but TC was doing the hard day in and day out stuff. So yes SJ might have had great ideas up until the end but it was Cook who actually built Apple into a trillion $ company. 
    My point is that SJ is the one who built the foundation for the $1T company, not Tim Cook.  Tim Cook is doing an excellent job as a CEO, but the business SJ gave to him was already a strong one.  If you asked me, I'm more impressed by Jeff Bezos, that build his company from the ground up, or even Satya Nadella with the turn around he made with MS, something many consider an impossible task.  And just to be clear, I still consider that Cook is doing very good as a CEO, IMO...

    Bill Gates is the one who built the foundation for the $1T company by stealing from Apple, not Satya Nadella. 
    First of all, I didn't say that Satya Nadella was the one who built the foundation of MS, it's obvious it was Bill Gates.  If you noticed, I mentioned that I'm more impressed with the turn around SN made with MS over what TC has done with Apple after SJ left.  And again, it's my opinion.  

    Second, I have heard of MS stealing from Apple, and I suppose you refer specifically MacOS and Windows GUI elements in the early years.  But it's interesting how Xerox filed a lawsuit against Apple claiming Apple had infringed copyrights Xerox held on its GUI's.  Looks like at the time, Apple neither MS were the best companies to trust your secrets, don't you think?
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 53 of 86
    big kcbig kc Posts: 137member
    red oak said:
    Please - just stop using Apple products and move on.  You are just miserable 






    I can't stand a whiner either - but what exactly that he said was inaccurate? I read it twice - all I see is facts and constructive criticism of Apple, which it deserves for how lacking iCloud is for how long it's been in existence. If you have some specific criticism of his post, let's hear it. Without whining please.
  • Reply 54 of 86
    Wgkrueger said:

    I'm pretty sure you’re paying monthly for a lot of things. Cable, Internet, Electricity, Water to name a few.
    I pay for what I use with Electricity, Gas and Water. Apart from Water, I can shop around for better deals.
    Cable? No way. Some deals top out at over $200/month. I use free to air Satellite.
    Internet? Yes but I have a choice of 20+ providers so I can shop around. I'm not tied to one ISP where I live (UK). Changing ISP's is very,very easy.

    What I was trying to say is that this drive to get us to subscribe to basically 'life as we know it' will only end in trouble. All those 'Only $7.99/month' offers soon add up and you could easily end up with no money to live on at the end of the month.
    There is a reason that we used to call it 'The Never-Never'.

  • Reply 55 of 86
    michelb76michelb76 Posts: 414member
    Please - just stop using Apple products and move on.  You are just miserable 


    I think it's fine being somewhat critical. It's not like Apple's services are all wonderful as the marketing makes it out to be. Apple Arcade is already stale and it's just out. Some iCloud services still have decade old data-destroying bugs. Where is Apple going next with services? Making them reliable and up to par with what's available in the market I hope.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 56 of 86
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,919member
    DAalseth said:
    sirozha said:
    All of Apple's services thus far are just meh. Music, TV, Arcade, News. Just meh. None of them are an awesome deal or must have content. They are just meh. Apple Pay would be OK but it only works a few places so it too is meh.
    Apple Pay works in a lot of places. Any place that takes a contactless payment takes Apple Pay even if they don't advertise or know it. When I travel to Canada, Apple Pay works pretty much everywhere without exception because all of their credit card terminals are enabled for contactless payments unless the terminals are 10 years old. 
    ApplePay is an interesting one. I really was intrigued with the idea. I wanted it to work. But as I mentioned earlier in the thread I had very poor luck with it and abandoned it after a couple of weeks and several attempts. 
    There are supposed to be two benefits to ApplePay:
    Increased security, but I haven't had a problem with this. Chip and Pin is quite secure so any improvement is theoretical. 
    Improved convenience, this was something I did not see at all. I'm either pulling out my wallet, getting the card, and tapping or I'm pulling out my phone, fiddling with it, and tapping. There really is, for me anyway, no difference or advantage to ApplePay over what I'm doing, what I KNOW is going to work every time.
    In the end I saw no reason to continue the experiment.
    I might have fought harder to get ApplePay to work for me but it was going to be a fair amount of hassle and retraining old habits, for essentially nothing.

    Oh and for the record I'm in Nanaimo BC. I had one successful transaction and three flat out failures.
    It can take a few goes but I persisted & won’t look back. I’m on a iPhone8 so a double-press of the home button and I’m there with the default debit card. Tap the card list an I can pull from any of 2 debit & 2 credit accounts all TouchID secured (safe from any random NFC scammers). Way better than cards.
  • Reply 57 of 86
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,919member
    designr said:

    - Music -- Looked into this. Compared to Spotify (which I'd already been using in the free tier) setting up Music for shared (family) use seemed more involved that Spotify did, so we opted for Spotify. It's been great.

    How is adding a Spotify family plan easier than turning on Apple Music for my pre-existing Apple Family Sharing? I tried Spotify for a while but the App was too clunky.
  • Reply 58 of 86
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,919member
    danvm said:
    Second, I have heard of MS stealing from Apple, and I suppose you refer specifically MacOS and Windows GUI elements in the early years.  But it's interesting how Xerox filed a lawsuit against Apple claiming Apple had infringed copyrights Xerox held on its GUI's.  Looks like at the time, Apple neither MS were the best companies to trust your secrets, don't you think?
    Oh yeah. That’s straight out of the MS Supreme Court defence against Apple vs MS. The problem is, when you use Windows1 vs Star 8010 vs Mac System 1 under emulation you realise how much Apple added to create the cohesive product Xerox never had & how much of that MS stole.
  • Reply 59 of 86
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,919member
    I’d like to see Apple release iCloud Pro. Let’s face it Google & MS business ‘productivity’ offerings are crap with MS requiring significant vendor or in-house support & Google just being web apps.  A huge gap for a self-managed, native-first player.
  • Reply 60 of 86
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 944member
    Health and fitness services is the next big thing? I strongly doubt it.

    The Apple Car would be trivial project compared to health and fitness. 

    Health and fitness is all about sensors and hardware monitoring bodily functions and the exponentially difficult task of researching reliable proxies to measure. And kiss off embedded sensors entirely. 
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