Don't upgrade Pages, Numbers, or Keynote for iOS if you rely on WebDAV

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  • Reply 21 of 29
    Never fear, Third Party App Publishers to the rescue! A third-Party Cloud storage service called "Koofr" apparently has a solution: https://koofr.eu/blog/posts/how-to-use-webdav-for-document-management-on-apple-devices https://apps.apple.com/us/app/koofr/id714802401 I have no idea who this is; but there you go...
    arthurba
  • Reply 22 of 29
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,267member

    mike54 said:
    Agree with all the above comments.
    I'm not a fan of Tim Cook and the changes he is continuing making under his tenure, and I'm constantly being proven right. But its been good for the share price and the investors though, and that what he probably cares about.
    I am not a stockholder but am a developer, and am very happy with the work Apple has achieved under Cook. Excellent products and platforms, the best iterations of them by far. I gladly purchased new Macs (mini, iMac, MBP), multiple iPads and iPhones, multiple Watches, multiple AirPods, multiple ATVs, and many services. The platforms are vastly superior to the knockoffs such as android and windows. 

    “But mah WebDAV!” If you believe normals use this, you’re sorely mistaken. I doubt many small businesses do either. I work enterprise and we use commercial cloud services...the writing is on the wall. If you’re a fringe case that’s fine, but that isn’t what a mass market consumer company caters to. 
    I think you are exaggerating that Apple platforms are "vastly superior".  If we talk about enterprise ecosystems, MS is the leader and far ahead of Apple.  For consumers, there are cases where Apple is better, like (IMO) iPads and iMacs.  But there are others were competition is as good or better than Apple.
    elijahg
  • Reply 23 of 29
    boboliciousbobolicious Posts: 1,059member
    for consideration:
    www.forbes.com/sites/theopriestley/2015/08/24/did-apple-lie-about-your-privacy/#7949f5ce2b09
    https://money.cnn.com/2016/02/22/technology/apple-privacy-icloud/index.html
    https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/13/apples-face-id-prompts-security-and-privacy-concerns-from-us-senate/
    I've wondered if T2 and onboard storage at least partly play a role in user data verification, making such more valuable, along with OEM profit...?
    edited April 2020
  • Reply 24 of 29
    chasmchasm Posts: 2,609member
    If WebDAV were a company, this would most definitely be seen as anti-competitive (favouring Apple's own services over others). But it isn't, and WebDAV use is probably microscopic compared to iCloud/OneDrive/Google Drive use, so while I do not appreciate the loss of a web standard -- I can't make the case for reinstatement either.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 29
    michelb76michelb76 Posts: 452member
    mike54 said:
    Agree with all the above comments.
    I'm not a fan of Tim Cook and the changes he is continuing making under his tenure, and I'm constantly being proven right. But its been good for the share price and the investors though, and that what he probably cares about.

    As he should, that's his job. You should direct your anger to the software and services SVP's as they are continuously screwing up.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 29
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    tommy65 said:
    We are moving to a service driven economy with centralized control. That’s something we cannot stop and is not limited to Apple alone, it is just the way the world is moving on. People are still strange but not the CEO of a large enterprise unfortunately.
    We SHOULD stop the corporations of the world from going that way.
  • Reply 27 of 29
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    elijahg said:
    dysamoria said:
    elijahg said:
    razorpit said:
    While I don't use WebDAV, I imagine there are a lot of people out there that do.

    This is the type of stuff I have my gripes with Apple on. Why stop people who know what they are doing, building low cost in-house services, and force them to use more costly, maybe less secure services which they do not have complete control over?

    Never mind, I think I just answered my own question...
    Same for me. WebDAV isn't exactly a difficult thing to maintain, it's a pretty simple protocol based entirely on HTTP extensions. Removing things like this only makes things more difficult for Mac users, especially when it's not noted in the release notes. That may be a major feature for an enterprise user, and now it's gone with no way to revert. Great, thanks Apple.

    Seems each release these days removes almost as much as it adds - Numbers got bigger sheets and background colours, a new theme browser (wow!) and lost WebDAV. That's it. All of that in a big-number point release. It's still hugely lacking in cell referencing (you still can't even fill down or specify a range). Lack of ranges is especially annoying when using graphs, as you have to add every single row's reference, plus with thousands of points Numbers slows to an absolute crawl (i9 2019 iMac here), while Excel and OpenOffice are both fine.

    The push toward (or perhaps requirement to use) their own services and protocols is extremely reminiscent of MS in the late 90's and early 2000s, when Apple was championed as "open". Unfortunately these roles seem to be slowly reversing, I do not like it one bit.
    This has been an observation of mine for some time, too. Not just in regard to the pushed services, but also in the mounting plethora of unresolved bugs and clear obsession with MBA-style business “leadership”.

    Apple aren’t what they used to be. At this point, Tim Cook’s progressive sociopolitical stances are the only thing for me to like about him...

    ...but I know he’s stuck in the wealthy-person’s bubble (or self-isolated in an ivory tower); his economic echo-chamber must have an impact on the way he sees things when he’s thinking “socially progressive”. Survivorship bias, a problem of so many “successful” business people, must be an issue there.

    Also, Apple are another big company that have been using their cash stockpiles to increase share prices, which the current economic crisis has proven to be a short-sighted and self-destructive practice... as is the whole “public ownership” gambling system we’ve mistaken for an economic system.

    Apple have a history of acting like they know what’s best for everyone via their product and design choices, but they’ve been doing a lot of self-sabotage since 2013, and it always seems to be about power users being shafted while pushing for yet more dependence on Apple and focus on mass-market end-users (“because iPhone sales”)... which is itself odd and notably flawed in how Apple keep behaving as though all customers are the same level of wealth as Apple’s neighborhood in California.

    I don’t use WebDAV, but I do see this change as a way to push an Apple service... one which many power users and businesses don’t want to be forced to rely on because it costs them extra (extra time, extra subscription fees, reliance on outside management and support, etc). That hurts such users, and it will eventually contribute to how Apple are constantly hurting their opportunities with organizational customers.

    Apple were always a weird company, but the weirdness continues to grow into increasingly self-blind territory. 
    I've never been a fan of Cook. Whilst I do agree with his sociopolitical stances generally, I think him using Apple as a platform to spout them is wrong - I have met people who won't use Apple's products due to Cook's stances. And yes he is definitely stuck in the wealthy person's bubble. His fairly socialist ideals, sharing and equality, doesn't help Apple's sales or his message when their phones start at twice the price of the average Android one, plus Apple's wealth is more than anyone else. There's nothing socialist about that at all. 
    You guys are nuts. If you know people who won’t buy Apple because Cook is outspoken about gay and women’s rights, what does that say about the people you hang out with? Gross. 

    Cook has socialist ideas? The CEO of our most successful capitalistic public firm in history? You seem very confused. 

    You know what is socialist tho? $1200 relief checks to private citizens. $500 billion in bailouts to private corporations. The Fed’s $1.5 trillion in 0% lending to banks, etc etc... Socialism is and has been part of American policy for decades. 

    And I am LOL at your outrage that top-tier iPhones cost more than the average knockoff piece of shit. Oh nos! Good thing iPhones start at $449 tho. 
    I fully agree with most of your points here, especially about the weirdos who avoid Apple because of “socialist ideals”, and the part about how plutocrats and laissez-faire capitalists cry “socialism” when we try to help citizens with social programs and raise up the poor or the marginalized, only for them to then be perfectly fine with corporate welfare and tax cuts for the most privileged of society... it IS gross.

    The guy who quoted me seems to think I have a problem with Cook’s sociopolitical positions or how he promotes them; I don’t. As I originally said, it’s the only thing I still LIKE about Tim Cook.
  • Reply 28 of 29
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    michelb76 said:
    mike54 said:
    Agree with all the above comments.
    I'm not a fan of Tim Cook and the changes he is continuing making under his tenure, and I'm constantly being proven right. But its been good for the share price and the investors though, and that what he probably cares about.

    As he should, that's his job. You should direct your anger to the software and services SVP's as they are continuously screwing up.
    They’re under Tim Cook’s direction. Probably to push out new phones and features ASAP...
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