Apple sources 20M face masks, designs and ships face shields for medical workers

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  • Reply 21 of 114
    bellsbells Posts: 140member
    mjtomlin said:
    georgie01 said:

    My amateur projections saying the number of infected will quadruple over the next 2 week (in the USA)...

    I really hope I’m wrong.
    You may be right and of course that would be very bad, but we as a country desperately need perspective. As of now, if the coronavirus deaths quadruple they will still be less than projected deaths for the flu. It also very likely that the death rate is strongly skewed toward a higher death rate since those who are suffering are mainly the ones being tested.

    I only say these things because our panic and overreactions to the coronavirus is causing more problems than the virus itself. We need to take it seriously, but we need to have perspective and patience.


    Point 1. Anyone who suspects they may have is being tested, not just “those who are suffering”.

    Point 2. You cant base “overreacting” to what the numbers show NOW. This isn’t about NOW, its about preparing for what might come, if you dont do anything NOW. This ignorance is EXACTLY why the US has sharply risen in the passed week - no one took it seriously when they SHOULD have - long before it became a problem. With an epidemic you have to fix it before it begins, otherwise its too late.

    Point 3. “If the deaths quadruple” ... We havent even started with the body counts yet. The US is going to surge and surpass all other countries combined due to the lack of national leadership and management. 

    Comparing the flu to Covid-19 isn't helpful. People who get the flu know they are sick pretty quick, can stay home and get better without infecting people. With Covid-19 you don't know you are sick right away, so you go around infecting people before you known you are sick so it it is much more contagious. 

    The flu has killed about 23, 000 over the last six months in the US. Covid-19 is approaching half that in about three weeks. Many health officials also believe the actual number is much higher because people were dying with the same symptoms but not being tested for Covid-19 because we didn't have the testing ability and it wasn't part of the national attention until the last few weeks. 

    The real concern is the strain being put on the health system, which if overburdened cannot treat everybody infected, including all the people who have other health problems.  This is already being seen in hospitals across the country. 

    Point 1. It would be nice if everybody who suspected they had it was being tested. Unfortunately, the federal government is so incompetent despite knowing for at least three months this was coming we don't have enough tests to do it on anybody who suspects they have it. That is how it should be though. Failing to have the tests available despite having plenty of time to do so was a major muck up. 

    Point 2. You are right, but it should be pointed out that the guy in the White House and Fox News was telling people it was a hoax. Maybe that was so they could dump their stocks. Nonetheless it is hard to take it seriously when the people who are supposed to be protecting the country seem to have little clue on what they are doing and telling everybody there was nothing to worry about. The numbers are also going up because initially we lacked the ability to test everybody who needed to be tested and obtaining the results was slow. The ability to test is improving so the numbers are going up. None of this should be surprising though since the guy in the White House got rid of the Office in the White House responsible for preparing for a pandemic. So all the people with the experience in this area and responsible for formulating a national response were canned. Not that it would matter to the current guy in the White House because he thinks he knows more than the scientists. 

    Point 3. You may be right in terms of the US surging and the numbers quadrupling. Thankfully some of the State governors have demonstrated some leadership and we might contain the numbers despite the White House. The whole country should have been locked down a month ago, and we probably would have been coming out of this now. 
    dewmeGeorgeBMacronn
  • Reply 22 of 114
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member

    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Apple didn't find these face shields, they designed them and manufactured them.

    And, giving them to U.S. federal pools would be a waste since those pools are being so badly mismanaged.  They do not, for instance, distribute desperately needed ventilators where they are needed.  Instead they give them to for-profit distributors who then sell them to the highest bidder - with all 50 states bidding for them!   The only question is:  WHO is getting rich off of this scheme?  It's likely a complicated financial scheme so that

    It's a shame that the total lack of national leadership forces individuals and individual companies to design, manufacture and distribute much needed supplies and equipment by themselves on their own -- while Americans sit home and sew face masks!   MAGA!
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Apple didn't find these face shields, they designed them and manufactured them.

    And, giving them to U.S. federal pools would be a waste since those pools are being so badly mismanaged.  They do not, for instance, distribute desperately needed ventilators where they are needed.  Instead they give them to for-profit distributors who then sell them to the highest bidder - with all 50 states bidding for them!   The only question is:  WHO is getting rich off of this scheme?  It's likely a complicated financial scheme so that

    It's a shame that the total lack of national leadership forces individuals and individual companies to design, manufacture and distribute much needed supplies and equipment by themselves on their own -- while Americans sit home and sew face masks!   MAGA!
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Apple didn't find these face shields, they designed them and manufactured them.

    And, giving them to U.S. federal pools would be a waste since those pools are being so badly mismanaged.  They do not, for instance, distribute desperately needed ventilators where they are needed.  Instead they give them to for-profit distributors who then sell them to the highest bidder - with all 50 states bidding for them!   The only question is:  WHO is getting rich off of this scheme?  It's likely a complicated financial scheme so that

    It's a shame that the total lack of national leadership forces individuals and individual companies to design, manufacture and distribute much needed supplies and equipment by themselves on their own -- while Americans sit home and sew face masks!   MAGA!
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Apple didn't find these face shields, they designed them and manufactured them.

    And, giving them to U.S. federal pools would be a waste since those pools are being so badly mismanaged.  They do not, for instance, distribute desperately needed ventilators where they are needed.  Instead they give them to for-profit distributors who then sell them to the highest bidder - with all 50 states bidding for them!   The only question is:  WHO is getting rich off of this scheme?  It's likely a complicated financial scheme so that

    It's a shame that the total lack of national leadership forces individuals and individual companies to design, manufacture and distribute much needed supplies and equipment by themselves on their own -- while Americans sit home and sew face masks!   MAGA!
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Apple didn't find these face shields, they designed them and manufactured them.

    And, giving them to U.S. federal pools would be a waste since those pools are being so badly mismanaged.  They do not, for instance, distribute desperately needed ventilators where they are needed.  Instead they give them to for-profit distributors who then sell them to the highest bidder - with all 50 states bidding for them!   The only question is:  WHO is getting rich off of this scheme?  It's likely a complicated financial scheme so that

    It's a shame that the total lack of national leadership forces individuals and individual companies to design, manufacture and distribute much needed supplies and equipment by themselves on their own -- while Americans sit home and sew face masks!   MAGA!
    Not MAGA.
    MAQA - Make America Quarantine Again. 
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 23 of 114
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member
    mjtomlin said:
    georgie01 said:

    My amateur projections saying the number of infected will quadruple over the next 2 week (in the USA)...

    I really hope I’m wrong.
    You may be right and of course that would be very bad, but we as a country desperately need perspective. As of now, if the coronavirus deaths quadruple they will still be less than projected deaths for the flu. It also very likely that the death rate is strongly skewed toward a higher death rate since those who are suffering are mainly the ones being tested.

    I only say these things because our panic and overreactions to the coronavirus is causing more problems than the virus itself. We need to take it seriously, but we need to have perspective and patience.


    Point 1. Anyone who suspects they may have is being tested, not just “those who are suffering”.

    Point 2. You cant base “overreacting” to what the numbers show NOW. This isn’t about NOW, its about preparing for what might come, if you dont do anything NOW. This ignorance is EXACTLY why the US has sharply risen in the passed week - no one took it seriously when they SHOULD have - long before it became a problem. With an epidemic you have to fix it before it begins, otherwise its too late.

    Point 3. “If the deaths quadruple” ... We havent even started with the body counts yet. The US is going to surge and surpass all other countries combined due to the lack of national leadership and management. 
    “If deaths quadruple “ then it will only be 50K and a great success in US.   Trump will be seen as winning and will be elected in a landslide.   Biden is scared to go out of his bubble.
    GeorgeBMacSpamSandwich
  • Reply 24 of 114
    ElCapitanElCapitan Posts: 372member
    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    No, you don't. You need virtue signaling companies to stay out of the global supply queue when they have no direct need for the masks.

    There are countries around the world cheering when they manage to get hold of 1.5 million masks, so their health care workers don't have to use the same masks 10 times or more. 

    Countries out there have to set up secret transports of masks in order not to be robbed or have their shipments seised in transit (like Turkey did with medical supplies transported through the country), or countries that simply cannot effort to pay, or loose in competition with entities such as Apple who can afford to. 

    If Apple actually used its buying power and logistics skills to supply countries and areas that are in most need without bragging about it, I would not say a thing except praise. Now they are only operating in a reprehensible manner driving prices up, and limiting critical supply to others.  
  • Reply 25 of 114
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member

    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Right, so you didn't actually watch the video or read the article; fair enough, I know clicking through is tricky for some people.

    As well as the procurement of masks, Cook also mentioned that Apple design engineers have created a new mask that is faster to manufacture, is easier to ship in bulk, and can be assembled in minutes. That was actually clearly stated in the article.

    The rest of your post is made up of the usual 'maybes' and 'probablys' so you clearly don't have the information on how Apple is procuring the masks. 

    One thing that these companies can do better than hospitals, individual trusts and one or two governments run by incompetent nincompoops who claim to be top-notch wheeler-dealers, is negotiate better prices when buying by the million, which health trusts cannot do, and the companies that run hospitals would rather not do. Because believe it or not, the prices on these vital items have rocketed since the virus broke. That's what happens when the market is allowed to run free; you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    What America needs to do is mandate that these medicines, medical equipment and PPE are manufactured in the US or atleast impose 400% Tariffs.   Trump is right on the need to roll back globalism which is why the globalist billionaire controlled Democrats fight him and are wrong.   Likewise Similar tariffs should be Applied to electronics like the iPhones.   China can not be trusted to operate fairly or transparently.
  • Reply 26 of 114
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,285member
    As a pulmonologist and critical care physician, thanks so much to Apple and Tim Cook.  It is perfect that Apple spent its effort making something as simple as a face shield because it is adequate eye and face protection that those of us on the front line struggle with— googles tend to fog up and are difficult to clean and commonly available face shields are way too small to feel protected.  What Apple did here is simple and effective like I would expect from them.

    A ventilator is another idea one could expect from Apple but these patients are challenging, they have ARDS and therefore their lungs are stiff and require high airway pressures.  At the same time transpulmonary pressure and volume swings have to be controlled to minimize worsening lung injury while allowing ease of ventilation assist for comfort.  It is  challenging engineering.

    But the other thing that Apple could do is allow the bottom half of FaceID to be disabled for a period of time in control center to allow access to our iPhones while we wear face masks and access our phones.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 27 of 114
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    badmonk said:

    But the other thing that Apple could do is allow the bottom half of FaceID to be disabled for a period of time in control center to allow access to our iPhones while we wear face masks and access our phones.
    May as well just turn it off entirely.  Or enter your PIN.  Oh the hardship!
  • Reply 28 of 114
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,031member
    georgie01 said:

    My amateur projections saying the number of infected will quadruple over the next 2 week (in the USA)...

    I really hope I’m wrong.
    You may be right and of course that would be very bad, but we as a country desperately need perspective. As of now, if the coronavirus deaths quadruple they will still be less than projected deaths for the flu. It also very likely that the death rate is strongly skewed toward a higher death rate since those who are suffering are mainly the ones being tested.

    I only say these things because our panic and overreactions to the coronavirus is causing more problems than the virus itself. We need to take it seriously, but we need to have perspective and patience.

    And we also need self discipline—if people were acting responsibly this outbreak would already be under control, and we’d also not be perpetually out of foods and supplies and greedy losers charging $40 for a 16oz bottle of ‘Equate’ (Walmart brand) isopropyl alcohol on eBay.
    I’m not sure why your perspective is relevant. 

    Another perspective is the base death rate in the US is 9 per 1000 per year. Say 10 for simplicity. So, in a typical year, with a population of 330,000,000, 3,300,000 people will die in the US. 

    Another perspective is in 100 years, all 7 million people living today will be dead. 
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 29 of 114
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,031member
    georgie01 said:

    My amateur projections saying the number of infected will quadruple over the next 2 week (in the USA)...

    I really hope I’m wrong.
    You may be right and of course that would be very bad, but we as a country desperately need perspective. As of now, if the coronavirus deaths quadruple they will still be less than projected deaths for the flu. It also very likely that the death rate is strongly skewed toward a higher death rate since those who are suffering are mainly the ones being tested.

    I only say these things because our panic and overreactions to the coronavirus is causing more problems than the virus itself. We need to take it seriously, but we need to have perspective and patience.

    And we also need self discipline—if people were acting responsibly this outbreak would already be under control, and we’d also not be perpetually out of foods and supplies and greedy losers charging $40 for a 16oz bottle of ‘Equate’ (Walmart brand) isopropyl alcohol on eBay.
    I’m not sure why your perspective is relevant. 

    Another perspective is the base death rate in the US is 9 per 1000 per year. Say 10 for simplicity. So, in a typical year, with a population of 330,000,000, 3,300,000 people will die in the US. 

    Another perspective is in 100 years, all 7 million people living today will be dead. 
  • Reply 30 of 114
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    georgie01 said:

    My amateur projections saying the number of infected will quadruple over the next 2 week (in the USA)...

    I really hope I’m wrong.
    You may be right and of course that would be very bad, but we as a country desperately need perspective. As of now, if the coronavirus deaths quadruple they will still be less than projected deaths for the flu. It also very likely that the death rate is strongly skewed toward a higher death rate since those who are suffering are mainly the ones being tested.

    I only say these things because our panic and overreactions to the coronavirus is causing more problems than the virus itself. We need to take it seriously, but we need to have perspective and patience.

    And we also need self discipline—if people were acting responsibly this outbreak would already be under control, and we’d also not be perpetually out of foods and supplies and greedy losers charging $40 for a 16oz bottle of ‘Equate’ (Walmart brand) isopropyl alcohol on eBay.
    The biggest problem we’ve had as a nation is the politicized response of this administration. Even though its been forced to acknowledge the seriousness of this horrible disease, it still refuses to do whatever is required. Still playing politics even now.

    to think that this isn’t as serious as medical authorities are saying it is, is willfully criminal. 

    It’s understood than many deaths from this are going underreported as they are being ascribed to other illnesses, such as pneumonia, which is a major result of Covad-19, and is what many people die from once they get Covid-019.

    the minimum number of deaths from this, assuming everything is done properly, and all required medical equipment is readily available, which it is not, is over 100,000. Assuming things wont get too much worse than that, with known shortages of ventilators and other vital equipment, the estimate is around 240,000 deaths. The numbers soar from there with more extreme scenarios, all the way up to an unlikely 4 million. There are normally between 20,000 and 40,000 deaths from the flu every year here, with a delayed vaccine in 2017 resulting in 80,000 deaths. There is no vaccine for this, and likely wont be one for around 18 months, with medical researchers stating that that would be a miracle. I hope that time line will be shorter, but it’s not very likely. Even the US company that has a candidate that is going to testing right about now, has said that it will still take 18 months, assuming it works, something that we don't know.

    We still have some southern and Midwest governors refusing to instate social distancing rules. Rules that are enforced. They say that there aren’t enough cases in their states yet to do that. Stupidity unbounded! They don't seem to understand that the best time to do that is when there are few, or even no cases. So they’ll wait for more advice from the White House, they say, before instituting these rules.

    This whole response makes me sick, and not with the virus, because my wife and I are being very careful, and not going out.
    edited April 2020 GeorgeBMacronnfastasleep
  • Reply 31 of 114
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    k2kw said:
    mjtomlin said:
    georgie01 said:

    My amateur projections saying the number of infected will quadruple over the next 2 week (in the USA)...

    I really hope I’m wrong.
    You may be right and of course that would be very bad, but we as a country desperately need perspective. As of now, if the coronavirus deaths quadruple they will still be less than projected deaths for the flu. It also very likely that the death rate is strongly skewed toward a higher death rate since those who are suffering are mainly the ones being tested.

    I only say these things because our panic and overreactions to the coronavirus is causing more problems than the virus itself. We need to take it seriously, but we need to have perspective and patience.


    Point 1. Anyone who suspects they may have is being tested, not just “those who are suffering”.

    Point 2. You cant base “overreacting” to what the numbers show NOW. This isn’t about NOW, its about preparing for what might come, if you dont do anything NOW. This ignorance is EXACTLY why the US has sharply risen in the passed week - no one took it seriously when they SHOULD have - long before it became a problem. With an epidemic you have to fix it before it begins, otherwise its too late.

    Point 3. “If the deaths quadruple” ... We havent even started with the body counts yet. The US is going to surge and surpass all other countries combined due to the lack of national leadership and management. 
    “If deaths quadruple “ then it will only be 50K and a great success in US.   Trump will be seen as winning and will be elected in a landslide.   Biden is scared to go out of his bubble.
    50,000 deaths from this is magical thinking. We haven’t gotten to the point of the greatest danger. All of those states with relatively few cases and deaths are just beginning to see this disease spread. They are weeks behind New York. My daughter lives in Texas, and says that things are closing down fast, even thought the governor was very slow to acknowledge the problem. Cases are now soaring. We are going to see that a lot.
    fastasleep
  • Reply 32 of 114
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member

    ElCapitan said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    No, you don't. You need virtue signaling companies to stay out of the global supply queue when they have no direct need for the masks.

    There are countries around the world cheering when they manage to get hold of 1.5 million masks, so their health care workers don't have to use the same masks 10 times or more. 

    Countries out there have to set up secret transports of masks in order not to be robbed or have their shipments seised in transit (like Turkey did with medical supplies transported through the country), or countries that simply cannot effort to pay, or loose in competition with entities such as Apple who can afford to. 

    If Apple actually used its buying power and logistics skills to supply countries and areas that are in most need without bragging about it, I would not say a thing except praise. Now they are only operating in a reprehensible manner driving prices up, and limiting critical supply to others.  
    What you’re saying is nonsense. What Apple is doing is what the governments should be doing, but are not. Look at ours. We have a large national reserve of masks, gloves, ventilators. The states have been begging this administration to disburse them, as the web site had stated that that was the purpose. Then idiot boy Kushner gets up in a briefing by the President, and states that the reserve is NOT for the states to get, or use. Shortly after, the wording on the website reflected his views. So all of that equjipment is sitting there, unused.

    apple is designing and making these face shields. These are products that apparently Apple is giving away. The face masks that Apple has secured, and is being given to medical workers here, and elsewhere, were doing what? Nothing. There was plenty of time for our government, and others, to have found these masks, and procured them. But they didn’t. Why? So Apple is doing it instead. A very good thing on their part.
    edited April 2020 GeorgeBMacfastasleep
  • Reply 33 of 114
    ElCapitan said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    No, you don't. You need virtue signaling companies to stay out of the global supply queue when they have no direct need for the masks.

    There are countries around the world cheering when they manage to get hold of 1.5 million masks, so their health care workers don't have to use the same masks 10 times or more. 

    Countries out there have to set up secret transports of masks in order not to be robbed or have their shipments seised in transit (like Turkey did with medical supplies transported through the country), or countries that simply cannot effort to pay, or loose in competition with entities such as Apple who can afford to. 

    If Apple actually used its buying power and logistics skills to supply countries and areas that are in most need without bragging about it, I would not say a thing except praise. Now they are only operating in a reprehensible manner driving prices up, and limiting critical supply to others.  
    I think you're completely misunderstanding what Apple has been doing.  They aren't hoarding masks, they are helping get masks to the organizations who need them.  Come back to me with a source at a hospital or health organization with a complaint about Apple's efforts and I'll listen.  Otherwise, you appear to be just making stuff up.
    ronn
  • Reply 34 of 114
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    k2kw said:

    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Right, so you didn't actually watch the video or read the article; fair enough, I know clicking through is tricky for some people.

    As well as the procurement of masks, Cook also mentioned that Apple design engineers have created a new mask that is faster to manufacture, is easier to ship in bulk, and can be assembled in minutes. That was actually clearly stated in the article.

    The rest of your post is made up of the usual 'maybes' and 'probablys' so you clearly don't have the information on how Apple is procuring the masks. 

    One thing that these companies can do better than hospitals, individual trusts and one or two governments run by incompetent nincompoops who claim to be top-notch wheeler-dealers, is negotiate better prices when buying by the million, which health trusts cannot do, and the companies that run hospitals would rather not do. Because believe it or not, the prices on these vital items have rocketed since the virus broke. That's what happens when the market is allowed to run free; you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    What America needs to do is mandate that these medicines, medical equipment and PPE are manufactured in the US or atleast impose 400% Tariffs.   Trump is right on the need to roll back globalism which is why the globalist billionaire controlled Democrats fight him and are wrong.   Likewise Similar tariffs should be Applied to electronics like the iPhones.   China can not be trusted to operate fairly or transparently.
    You are 100% wrong. Trump was told a couple of years ago when he was proposing his ridiculous tariffs, that he shouldn’t imposed them on medical equip0ment, but he did anyway. As a result, there have been shortages even before Covid-19. He was than told to remove the tariffs in the November security meeting where he was a briefed on this disease, before the general public knew of it in China. He again refusals, and in December disbanded they group that helps prepare the nation for epidemics, because “they weren’t doing that much”. Well, of course. They watch and then advise.

    even with Thais disaster, Trump is the biggest disaster this country is seeing. His stupidity and venality is unmatched.
    XedGeorgeBMactmaytht
  • Reply 35 of 114
    ElCapitanElCapitan Posts: 372member
    ElCapitan said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    No, you don't. You need virtue signaling companies to stay out of the global supply queue when they have no direct need for the masks.

    There are countries around the world cheering when they manage to get hold of 1.5 million masks, so their health care workers don't have to use the same masks 10 times or more. 

    Countries out there have to set up secret transports of masks in order not to be robbed or have their shipments seised in transit (like Turkey did with medical supplies transported through the country), or countries that simply cannot effort to pay, or loose in competition with entities such as Apple who can afford to. 

    If Apple actually used its buying power and logistics skills to supply countries and areas that are in most need without bragging about it, I would not say a thing except praise. Now they are only operating in a reprehensible manner driving prices up, and limiting critical supply to others.  
    I think you're completely misunderstanding what Apple has been doing.  They aren't hoarding masks, they are helping get masks to the organizations who need them.  Come back to me with a source at a hospital or health organization with a complaint about Apple's efforts and I'll listen.  Otherwise, you appear to be just making stuff up.
    There have been multiple reports last week that big quantities of masks have been snatched up by American corporations leaving entire countries without supply. 
    The epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak is currently in Europe and the actions of Americans have significantly limited/restrained supply to the areas needing it most. 

    Apple has NO past or current business in the medical supply chain, and should keep its fingers as far away as possible from interfering in it by using big cash to get supply they don't need at all.  What they do is pure virtual signaling. 

    If they make some face shields – fine. There have been people publishing and sharing plans and methods for 3D printing them all over the internet for weeks. Even here they are latecomers. 
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    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    I like how proud Tim announced these shields. Sounded like he was talking about a new Apple device.


    Still "greedy Apple".
    /s
  • Reply 37 of 114
    XedXed Posts: 2,519member
    ElCapitan said:
    ElCapitan said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    No, you don't. You need virtue signaling companies to stay out of the global supply queue when they have no direct need for the masks.

    There are countries around the world cheering when they manage to get hold of 1.5 million masks, so their health care workers don't have to use the same masks 10 times or more. 

    Countries out there have to set up secret transports of masks in order not to be robbed or have their shipments seised in transit (like Turkey did with medical supplies transported through the country), or countries that simply cannot effort to pay, or loose in competition with entities such as Apple who can afford to. 

    If Apple actually used its buying power and logistics skills to supply countries and areas that are in most need without bragging about it, I would not say a thing except praise. Now they are only operating in a reprehensible manner driving prices up, and limiting critical supply to others.  
    I think you're completely misunderstanding what Apple has been doing.  They aren't hoarding masks, they are helping get masks to the organizations who need them.  Come back to me with a source at a hospital or health organization with a complaint about Apple's efforts and I'll listen.  Otherwise, you appear to be just making stuff up.
    There have been multiple reports last week that big quantities of masks have been snatched up by American corporations leaving entire countries without supply. 
    The epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak is currently in Europe and the actions of Americans have significantly limited/restrained supply to the areas needing it most. 

    Apple has NO past or current business in the medical supply chain, and should keep its fingers as far away as possible from interfering in it by using big cash to get supply they don't need at all.  What they do is pure virtual signaling. 

    If they make some face shields – fine. There have been people publishing and sharing plans and methods for 3D printing them all over the internet for weeks. Even here they are latecomers. 
    Holy crap on a cracker! That's a lot of bat shit crazy for one post. Next you'll be telling us how 5G is being used for mind control.
    tmayronn
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    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member
    melgross said:
    k2kw said:
    mjtomlin said:
    georgie01 said:

    My amateur projections saying the number of infected will quadruple over the next 2 week (in the USA)...

    I really hope I’m wrong.
    You may be right and of course that would be very bad, but we as a country desperately need perspective. As of now, if the coronavirus deaths quadruple they will still be less than projected deaths for the flu. It also very likely that the death rate is strongly skewed toward a higher death rate since those who are suffering are mainly the ones being tested.

    I only say these things because our panic and overreactions to the coronavirus is causing more problems than the virus itself. We need to take it seriously, but we need to have perspective and patience.


    Point 1. Anyone who suspects they may have is being tested, not just “those who are suffering”.

    Point 2. You cant base “overreacting” to what the numbers show NOW. This isn’t about NOW, its about preparing for what might come, if you dont do anything NOW. This ignorance is EXACTLY why the US has sharply risen in the passed week - no one took it seriously when they SHOULD have - long before it became a problem. With an epidemic you have to fix it before it begins, otherwise its too late.

    Point 3. “If the deaths quadruple” ... We havent even started with the body counts yet. The US is going to surge and surpass all other countries combined due to the lack of national leadership and management. 
    “If deaths quadruple “ then it will only be 50K and a great success in US.   Trump will be seen as winning and will be elected in a landslide.   Biden is scared to go out of his bubble.
    50,000 deaths from this is magical thinking. We haven’t gotten to the point of the greatest danger. All of those states with relatively few cases and deaths are just beginning to see this disease spread. They are weeks behind New York. My daughter lives in Texas, and says that things are closing down fast, even thought the governor was very slow to acknowledge the problem. Cases are now soaring. We are going to see that a lot.
    NY/NJ much worse due to population density that allowed the virus to spread before Cuoma shut state down.   CA is doing much better - 351 deaths vs. 4758.   I don’t think you can extrapolate New York’s numbers country wide.  Most counties in Texas don’t have any cases let alone deaths so it’s probably still early.   Hopefully they lock down now.   Their peak will be atleast a month after NY.   Florida isn’t expected to or peak for another month. 
  • Reply 39 of 114
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member
    melgross said:
    k2kw said:

    Rayz2016 said:
    ElCapitan said:
    If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market.
    20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)

    Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.

    Right, so you didn't actually watch the video or read the article; fair enough, I know clicking through is tricky for some people.

    As well as the procurement of masks, Cook also mentioned that Apple design engineers have created a new mask that is faster to manufacture, is easier to ship in bulk, and can be assembled in minutes. That was actually clearly stated in the article.

    The rest of your post is made up of the usual 'maybes' and 'probablys' so you clearly don't have the information on how Apple is procuring the masks. 

    One thing that these companies can do better than hospitals, individual trusts and one or two governments run by incompetent nincompoops who claim to be top-notch wheeler-dealers, is negotiate better prices when buying by the million, which health trusts cannot do, and the companies that run hospitals would rather not do. Because believe it or not, the prices on these vital items have rocketed since the virus broke. That's what happens when the market is allowed to run free; you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
    What America needs to do is mandate that these medicines, medical equipment and PPE are manufactured in the US or atleast impose 400% Tariffs.   Trump is right on the need to roll back globalism which is why the globalist billionaire controlled Democrats fight him and are wrong.   Likewise Similar tariffs should be Applied to electronics like the iPhones.   China can not be trusted to operate fairly or transparently.
    You are 100% wrong. Trump was told a couple of years ago when he was proposing his ridiculous tariffs, that he shouldn’t imposed them on medical equip0ment, but he did anyway. As a result, there have been shortages even before Covid-19. He was than told to remove the tariffs in the November security meeting where he was a briefed on this disease, before the general public knew of it in China. He again refusals, and in December disbanded they group that helps prepare the nation for epidemics, because “they weren’t doing that much”. Well, of course. They watch and then advise.

    even with Thais disaster, Trump is the biggest disaster this country is seeing. His stupidity and venality is unmatched.
    The pandemic response team was disbanded over a year ago under NSC director Bolton.
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    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member
    Fatman said:
    Do NOT use Zoom for conference calls for any reason (the CEO is Chinese and ‘borrowed’ the technology from his days working at WebEx). Zoom routes traffic through Chinese state owned servers, scans for technical content and steals it. Their marketing states that Zoom connects with end to end encryption - an outright lie. The software client skirts the protected install process to compromise the host computer. ZOOM is giving away the service for free, taking advantage of the COVID epidemic, so they can access data from key universities and companies. China will become a stronger nation because of Zoom, the CEO a national hero. Please spread the word!
    Just like we shouldn’t use Hauwei for G5.  China steals our Technologies and gives us CoronaVirus in Return.   Time to outlaw manufacturing in China.
    tmay
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