With Touch ID on my 10.5" iPad Pro and Face ID on my iPhone XS, both in use many times a day, I've found Face ID to be quicker and more reliable. I wouldn't want to go back.
Same here (although XR rather than XS), the experience with Face ID on the phone is so much more fluid and fast than the iPad. It’s especially noticeable when authenticating within apps or for unlocking passwords in safari etc, on the phone it just happens as part of the flow of using the device, whereas on the iPad it always means stopping and repositioning your thumb.
Face ID is also much more reliable. Touch ID is much more prone to failure due to poor positioning of the finger, surface debris or liquids, changes to skin condition etc etc.. Face ID just works every time.
If there’s a way to have both, great, that’ll keep everyone happy I guess - but losing Face ID for a return to Touch ID would be a totally backwards step in my opinion. Even if under-screen Touch ID is the only way to have a completely uninterrupted display, I’d much rather keep Face ID with the notch.
With Touch ID on my 10.5" iPad Pro and Face ID on my iPhone XS, both in use many times a day, I've found Face ID to be quicker and more reliable. I wouldn't want to go back.
I have not tried this yet, but you can set up a secondary Face ID profile. Wonder if it would work for a mask?
Yep.
From Apple:
To set up an additional appearance for Face ID to recognize, go to Settings > Face ID & Passcode > Set Up an Alternate Appearance, then follow the onscreen instructions.
Alas, doesn't work. I got a "Face obstructed" error message.
How about having phone unlocked by Apple Watch, as it does for the Mac? Especially if the proximity could be tweaked so it has to be close. Of course the phone unlocks the watch now, so that would need to be changed, but you only do this when you put your watch on in the morning. Afterwards, it serves as your id.
obviously, this would be just a backup option, but very convenient now.
i love Face ID, although it only works when I have my glasses on. Maybe I can tweak that, or use the second face scan.
How about having phone unlocked by Apple Watch, as it does for the Mac? Especially if the proximity could be tweaked so it has to be close. Of course the phone unlocks the watch now, so that would need to be changed, but you only do this when you put your watch on in the morning. Afterwards, it serves as your id.
obviously, this would be just a backup option, but very convenient now.
i love Face ID, although it only works when I have my glasses on. Maybe I can tweak that, or use the second face scan.
Yep. easy to add a second face scan. I set mine up without my glasses and then never had a problem when I wear my glasses.
With Touch ID on my 10.5" iPad Pro and Face ID on my iPhone XS, both in use many times a day, I've found Face ID to be quicker and more reliable. I wouldn't want to go back.
I have not tried this yet, but you can set up a secondary Face ID profile. Wonder if it would work for a mask?
Not going back but having both. Face ID for Apple Pay sucks when the POS is far away. I wish I had both for the cafe at work.
Not true. You can unlock the phone with your face and then move the phone near the POS. You have plenty of time to complete the transaction
I think the current pandemic shows the value of having both. Touch ID for when you are using a mask and Face ID when you are using gloves. As for when you are using both, maybe retina ID?
While this is a serious deal, IMO it is not necessary to change the way phones work in anticipation of needing both mask and gloves. Most people don't need gloves anyway, just wash you hands before doing anything.
Once we have a vaccine we will build up herd immunity again.
With Touch ID on my 10.5" iPad Pro and Face ID on my iPhone XS, both in use many times a day, I've found Face ID to be quicker and more reliable. I wouldn't want to go back.
I have not tried this yet, but you can set up a secondary Face ID profile. Wonder if it would work for a mask?
Not going back but having both. Face ID for Apple Pay sucks when the POS is far away. I wish I had both for the cafe at work.
Not true. You can unlock the phone with your face and then move the phone near the POS. You have plenty of time to complete the transaction
Yup. People complaining about FaceID and POS terminals likely don't know how FaceID works. You can double-click the side button while removing the phone from pocket, raise it enough to casually look at it while lifting it toward the POS, get authenticated mid-air, and then wave it near the POS terminal. It's effortless and can be done in the briefest of moments, at the drive-thru, wherever.
I think the current pandemic shows the value of having both. Touch ID for when you are using a mask and Face ID when you are using gloves. As for when you are using both, maybe retina ID?
Yeah, while I prefer Touch ID (if I have to choose), there are good use-case points to be made by both camps. Having both would be nice.
I generally find TouchID better in many situations, but FaceID does have the virtue that I rarely have to think about it. It's just annoying when I have my sunglasses on.
Also, using Apple Pay for apps and other online purchases from my phone is awkward, because, as a left-hander, my thumb doesn't conveniently line up with the lock button to double click it.
Anyway, my ideal situation is to be able to use the more convenient option for most things, and for some specific actions to require both (or one and the PIN). Admittedly the latter may require some complicated reset procedures or it will wind up being basically useless, but it's achievable.
I generally find TouchID better in many situations, but FaceID does have the virtue that I rarely have to think about it. It's just annoying when I have my sunglasses on.
Also, using Apple Pay for apps and other online purchases from my phone is awkward, because, as a left-hander, my thumb doesn't conveniently line up with the lock button to double click it.
For your sunglasses, you can try turning off Require Attention for Face ID — it may or may not fix the problem by overlooking your eyeballs.
As for being left handed, I don't get it — holding it in my left hand, I double-tap the lock button with my forefinger. Holding it with my right hand, I use my thumb. Both are equally easy.
YAS PLEASE! And while you are at it, lose the NOTCH!!! Hello, Apple, 2016 called they want their notch back. Talk about an old F'd out design/tech or lack there-of.. its that. Sad.
YAS PLEASE! And while you are at it, lose the NOTCH!!! Hello, Apple, 2016 called they want their notch back. Talk about an old F'd out design/tech or lack there-of.. its that. Sad.
Sorry I have to disagree with you. Keep deaf people who cannot pronounce correctly in your mind. Most deaf don’t speak, they turn their voice off unless if they’re “angry” and try to get hearing people attention. Uh, yes I’m deaf Apple customer. Apple keep deaf people in their mind and cooperate with federal law (American with Disabilities Act of 1990).
fastasleep said: For your sunglasses, you can try turning off Require Attention for Face ID — it may or may not fix the problem by overlooking your eyeballs.
As for being left handed, I don't get it — holding it in my left hand, I double-tap the lock button with my forefinger. Holding it with my right hand, I use my thumb. Both are equally easy.
I wonder how much (I assume it does) turning that off, or training it for a mask, etc. impacts the level of security?
Yeah, I typically train my devices for index fingers and thumbs, so I can unlock with either hand whether holding it, or it is laying on the desk, etc.
YAS PLEASE! And while you are at it, lose the NOTCH!!!
I'd honestly rather just have a small 'forehead' with the camera and those sensors in it than a notch. And, while I don't have a lot of experience with full-screen devices, isn't it harder to grab them with no bezel area? Is the accidental touch rejection that good? I typically grab my SE by the 'chin' area.
fastasleep said: For your sunglasses, you can try turning off Require Attention for Face ID — it may or may not fix the problem by overlooking your eyeballs.
As for being left handed, I don't get it — holding it in my left hand, I double-tap the lock button with my forefinger. Holding it with my right hand, I use my thumb. Both are equally easy.
I wonder how much (I assume it does) turning that off, or training it for a mask, etc. impacts the level of security?
Yeah, I typically train my devices for index fingers and thumbs, so I can unlock with either hand whether holding it, or it is laying on the desk, etc.
You can't train it for a mask. But, it means you'd be able to unlock your iPhone even if you're looking away from the screen as Attention means eyeballs forward in this context.
YAS PLEASE! And while you are at it, lose the NOTCH!!!
I'd honestly rather just have a small 'forehead' with the camera and those sensors in it than a notch. And, while I don't have a lot of experience with full-screen devices, isn't it harder to grab them with no bezel area? Is the accidental touch rejection that good? I typically grab my SE by the 'chin' area.
Literally not an issue.
Also, the alternative to thinking of it as a 'notch' is that there are extra screen 'ears' to move the status bar stuff out of the way.
fastasleep said: You can't train it for a mask. But, it means you'd be able to unlock your iPhone even if you're looking away from the screen as Attention means eyeballs forward in this context.
Oh, I thought I read somewhere that they were going to make it trainable for masks. But, I wonder if that, or if turning off the attention aspect makes the process less secure (less markers being analyzed)?
Also, the alternative to thinking of it as a 'notch' is that there are extra screen 'ears' to move the status bar stuff out of the way.
Glad to hear the touch rejection works well. re: notch - I'd be OK with that if those areas were only used for that extra info, but my understanding is that this isn't always the case. I don't like the idea of notch or corners chopping off content.
fastasleep said: You can't train it for a mask. But, it means you'd be able to unlock your iPhone even if you're looking away from the screen as Attention means eyeballs forward in this context.
Oh, I thought I read somewhere that they were going to make it trainable for masks. But, I wonder if that, or if turning off the attention aspect makes the process less secure (less markers being analyzed)?
Also, the alternative to thinking of it as a 'notch' is that there are extra screen 'ears' to move the status bar stuff out of the way.
Glad to hear the touch rejection works well. re: notch - I'd be OK with that if those areas were only used for that extra info, but my understanding is that this isn't always the case. I don't like the idea of notch or corners chopping off content.
Yes, turning off require attention is less secure because you can unlock it without your eyes looking directly at your phone, like I said.
As far as the other thing, I don't think it's touch rejection so much as touching the screen is just not an issue that you notice in everyday use. I don't, and I've had an X since they launched and now 11 Pro and have never given it any thought.
The notch doesn't "cut off content" unless you're, like, zooming in on some kind of content full screen, like say enlarging a photo to see detail or whatever. It's not a problem in everyday normal use.
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Face ID is also much more reliable. Touch ID is much more prone to failure due to poor positioning of the finger, surface debris or liquids, changes to skin condition etc etc.. Face ID just works every time.
If there’s a way to have both, great, that’ll keep everyone happy I guess - but losing Face ID for a return to Touch ID would be a totally backwards step
in my opinion. Even if under-screen Touch ID is the only way to have a completely uninterrupted display, I’d much rather keep Face ID with the notch.
Especially if the proximity could be tweaked so it has to be close.
Of course the phone unlocks the watch now, so that would need to be changed, but you only do this when you put your watch on in the morning. Afterwards, it serves as your id.
obviously, this would be just a backup option, but very convenient now.
i love Face ID, although it only works when I have my glasses on. Maybe I can tweak that, or use the second face scan.
Once we have a vaccine we will build up herd immunity again.
Also, using Apple Pay for apps and other online purchases from my phone is awkward, because, as a left-hander, my thumb doesn't conveniently line up with the lock button to double click it.
Anyway, my ideal situation is to be able to use the more convenient option for most things, and for some specific actions to require both (or one and the PIN). Admittedly the latter may require some complicated reset procedures or it will wind up being basically useless, but it's achievable.
As for being left handed, I don't get it — holding it in my left hand, I double-tap the lock button with my forefinger. Holding it with my right hand, I use my thumb. Both are equally easy.
Yeah, I typically train my devices for index fingers and thumbs, so I can unlock with either hand whether holding it, or it is laying on the desk, etc.
I'd honestly rather just have a small 'forehead' with the camera and those sensors in it than a notch. And, while I don't have a lot of experience with full-screen devices, isn't it harder to grab them with no bezel area? Is the accidental touch rejection that good? I typically grab my SE by the 'chin' area.
Literally not an issue.
Also, the alternative to thinking of it as a 'notch' is that there are extra screen 'ears' to move the status bar stuff out of the way.
But, I wonder if that, or if turning off the attention aspect makes the process less secure (less markers being analyzed)?
Glad to hear the touch rejection works well.
re: notch - I'd be OK with that if those areas were only used for that extra info, but my understanding is that this isn't always the case. I don't like the idea of notch or corners chopping off content.
As far as the other thing, I don't think it's touch rejection so much as touching the screen is just not an issue that you notice in everyday use. I don't, and I've had an X since they launched and now 11 Pro and have never given it any thought.
The notch doesn't "cut off content" unless you're, like, zooming in on some kind of content full screen, like say enlarging a photo to see detail or whatever. It's not a problem in everyday normal use.