I will not miss this guy. He reminds me of my "There is no God" "I am a socialist" college professors of olden days. You have seen these kinds of folks. They always lose their hair in a bad way. They live in a liberal utopian la la land. They Hate and I repeat Hate anyone who takes a position that is considered the "right" thing to do in a moral context. Remember secular humanist socialist bald bitter old liberals do not believe in morality. Of course these types say Free Tibet. But that is just symbolic as in fact they HATE for any one person or group to take the high moral ground. These types think all roads are good roads.
Saddam has people cut up in 100 pieces and sent to the family. That is just as acceptable as any other lifestyle. Saddam has women raped and people shot. No big deal.
What on earth gave you the impression that I think we're 'losing' the war?
The Coalition will eventually win the war involving big bangs, gunfire, smoke and bodycounts. Thats a given. How can you lose it when you fire your biggest weapons from places the adversary cannot engage you...namely 1000 miles away on ships in the Mediterranean, or from 7 miles up in the atmosphere?
It's the next battle thats going to be the real tough, and lengthy one: regaining the good will that the rest of the world showed to America post 9-11. Most of the planet despises us right now...that is so fvcking sad.
Give me a break. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe we are actually losing the war. You link to an article in The New Yorker? Please.
Your opinion is 100%, completely unjustified. Jesus H. Christ, someone prints something in the NYT or LAT and you believe it. But I forgot...it's SDW who cannot think for himself, right?
Fran, I didn't know Arnett wasn't a US citizen. He's a punk without a job nonetheless.
Now we see what SDW's strategy is for staying "right-wing." Discount anything, no matter how factual, that doesn't jive with his imaginary 'stance.' Or maybe the real world is just too complicated for little SDW. There's nothing right or left about realizing that Rumsfeld has been making mistakes. I'm sure there are plenty of right-wing republicans that are pissed at him, too. Hell, I'd be surprised if most of the sources for that article weren't republican. But for Joe "SDW" Six-Pack, that's would make life a little too complicated. Hopefully your circuits won't fry too much when you finally realize that your black and white world-view doesn't fly even with the people you pretend to identify with.
OK, but what about his quote? Is he wrong for speaking the truth?
His opinions are fine IMO. The stupid thing was being a tool for Iraqi propoganda. Duh, what a dumb thing to do; he should have the foresight to think about who he's giving his opinion to. If he said this on MSNBC [edit: or even Al Jazeera], it would not have been a big deal given of course that some people will invariably get bent out of shape because it differs from their opinions.
Wow, so a journalist isn't even allowed to have an opinion any more. This nonsense about aiding the propaganda machine is just nuts, wow, this is the first time I've been impressed by the very narrow focus of some people posting here. Propaganda machine? If you think about that for just one second, Oi, do you realize what you're saying? ANything could aid the propaganda machine, unless this guy took money to make an infomercial, there's no sane metric you can apple that leads you to the conclusion that a journalist engaging in a debate and voicing an opinion or two are somehow treasonous, especially since he in no way revealed any sort of sensitive information, they were dealing strictly in opinion and common knowledge. Patriots, get a grip already.
And you, Mr iBook Church. WTF do secular humanists have to do with anything? If you're just trying to get a rise out of SJO, hey, that's pretty funny, OK. But humanists are hardly the problem in your cosmological framework. All humanists are implicitly religious whether they wish to acknowledge it or not, the catechism might use different terms, but it's exactly like religion otherwise.
Are you upset with post moderns? These then become a problem, but as always not for any of the reasons of which you're cognizant. hmmm...
Wow is this muddled, SJO's worried about post war good will, iBook believes Bush is God's own vassal, SDW thinks journalistic opinion rises to the level of treason, funny how the extreme left and right tend to agree on a whole lot. The Soviets and the Chinese used to (and do) think that very same thing. HAHA...
Wow, so many people thinking without thinking.
Am I the only person that's for protecting the Kurds, and controlling the proliferation of nuclear weapons, or that remembers what the Arabs were up to before 1948 (regarding those pesky Jews?). If I cared, it might actually be hard not to get mired in the ridiculousness of opinions on AI. Leftists, rightists, and paranoiacs. You people need to slow down and consider things more carefully. War is not right or wrong for any of the reasons kicking around this place.
...you guys shouldn't be surprise by Peter Arnett's behavior - he has done this kind of screw-up before. He was once a great reporter for CNN until the Tailwind controversy (does any of you remember this?).
I think it should be pointed out that it was FOX NEWS that was running this story ALL NIGHT! They were even asking their own reporters in the field about it and they were defending him! The anchors were arguing with these reporters in the field that were defending him, and they were trying to demonize Arnette.
I think Fox was just trying to undermine MSNBC, a major competitor, by portraying their reporter as biased. I saw the interview many times. Fox News anchors were twisting what he said to make it appear worse.
When I was watching it, I was very offended that they were assuming their viewers were that stupid. But then I realized, right as I was typing appleinsider.com into my browser, that someone here would buy into this. I guess they really haven't underestimated their viewers; they are that stupid.
Has Fox even reported yet that their own reporter, GERLADO, was booted by the US MILITARY for giving away TROOP MOVEMENTS?!?! I sure don't see it on their website.
Allow me to chime in that Geraldo is also an idiot. I saw his report to Sean and Alan on Friday's "Hannity & Colmes" and I was AMAZED that the first thing out of Geraldo's mouth, after Hannity welcomed him to the show was this:
"Thanks, Sean. First, let me tell you where we are. We're about 122 miles sou..."
Idiot. Current OR future locations/movements are NOT the things these "embedded" goons should be saying. About the ONLY thing The Moustache That Ate Cleveland should say in regards to their location is "we're somewhere in Iraq" and leave it at that.
I hope he gets fired just on grounds of grandstanding and stupidity. It's always about him, isn't it? What HE'S eating, what HE'S wearing, how HE'S dealing with the elements, etc.
Pinhead. I can't stand Rivera. Today has been a good day for some of us: that asshole Arnett gets fired and Geraldo gets his silly ass booted.
Allow me to chime in that Geraldo is also an idiot. I saw his report to Sean and Alan on Friday's "Hannity & Colmes" and I was AMAZED that the first thing out of Geraldo's mouth, after Hannity welcomed him to the show was this:
"Thanks, Sean. First, let me tell you where we are. We're about 122 miles sou..."
Idiot. Current OR future locations/movements are NOT the things these "embedded" goons should be saying. About the ONLY thing The Moustache That Ate Cleveland should say in regards to their location is "we're somewhere in Iraq" and leave it at that.
I hope he gets fired just on grounds of grandstanding and stupidity. It's always about him, isn't it? What HE'S eating, what HE'S wearing, how HE'S dealing with the elements, etc.
Pinhead. I can't stand Rivera. Today has been a good day for some of us: that asshole Arnett gets fired and Geraldo gets his silly ass booted.
Am I dreaming?
I never really liked the guy either. I heard that one of CNN's reporters did the same thing. Does anyone know anything about that?
...you guys shouldn't be surprise by Peter Arnett's behavior - he has done this kind of screw-up before. He was once a great reporter for CNN until the Tailwind controversy (does any of you remember this?).
I certainly don't know about the great reporter part, but I do remember the Tailwind controversy. My father's unit was among those accused of dropping the nerve agents. Since they had no equipment whatsoever for properly handling any of the materials that they were accused of dropping, the story is either completely false, or my father is dead. (Here's a hint, dad's not dead.)
As a broadcasting student, I can assure you that had any of my classmates tried to pull something like that, they would've received an F at the least, and been expelled for academic dishonesty at the worst.
In the days of journalistic integrity he never would've worked in mass communications again, but ratings rule all now and he managed to scrape together a second or third chance.
I can only hope that this is the final nail in the coffin of his career, leaving the broadcasting world a little cleaner, and a little more credible.
Is he? Well, this means that he can be charged with treason. Even though I'm quite happy with the impression that his career is over, I don't think this qualifies as treason. It's not as if he's posing with an Iraqi anti-aircraft crew or giving notes to Iraqi guards that had been entrusted to him by our POWs to take home. Now THAT would be treason.
(Bonus points for the first person to figure out who I'm talking about as an example of truly treasonous behaviour.)
Oh man. You know in these times I think the actions of that woman are beyond reproach. She should be tried for treason. There's no time limitation on that, right?
This is, really, war. It's not a turkey-shoot. It's not some misadventure. And we're not at the two week mark yet.
Can we stop the postmortems already? Peter Arnett is already declaring this thing a failure on Iraqi television. And that's a damn shame, because I live my life in constant need of approval from Peter Arnett...
Arnett is a fool and he deserves to be unemployed. MSNBC put him in front of a camera and he used that opportunity to run his mouth about that which he has absolutely no knowledge. I hate it when people climb up on a perfectly good soapbox and then waste my time.
Arnett is a fool and he deserves to be unemployed. MSNBC put him in front of a camera and he used that opportunity to run his mouth about that which he has absolutely no knowledge. I hate it when people climb up on a perfectly good soapbox and then waste my time.
he might be a fool, he is also a pullitzer prize winner. For another "liberation" he covered. Remeber that quote about having to "bomb the whole village to liberate it"?
he might be a fool, he is also a pullitzer prize winner. For another "liberation" he covered. Remeber that quote about having to "bomb the whole village to liberate it"?
So? Comparing his Vietnam work to this latest controversy only invites the suspicion that even then he was simply presenting a personal, biased perspective. It may have served him well then (even a blind squirrel finds some nuts) but it has led him astray since. And it's NOT journalism.
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Saddam has people cut up in 100 pieces and sent to the family. That is just as acceptable as any other lifestyle. Saddam has women raped and people shot. No big deal.
I ignore these nutjobs who ignore all of reality.
Fellowship
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
They always lose their hair in a bad way.
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Remember secular humanist socialist bald bitter old liberals do not believe in morality.
I'd never heard that one before - are liberals and atheists really more likely to be bald?
Originally posted by bunge
What on earth gave you the impression that I think we're 'losing' the war?
The Coalition will eventually win the war involving big bangs, gunfire, smoke and bodycounts. Thats a given. How can you lose it when you fire your biggest weapons from places the adversary cannot engage you...namely 1000 miles away on ships in the Mediterranean, or from 7 miles up in the atmosphere?
It's the next battle thats going to be the real tough, and lengthy one: regaining the good will that the rest of the world showed to America post 9-11. Most of the planet despises us right now...that is so fvcking sad.
Originally posted by SDW2001
bunge,
Give me a break. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe we are actually losing the war. You link to an article in The New Yorker? Please.
Your opinion is 100%, completely unjustified. Jesus H. Christ, someone prints something in the NYT or LAT and you believe it. But I forgot...it's SDW who cannot think for himself, right?
Fran, I didn't know Arnett wasn't a US citizen. He's a punk without a job nonetheless.
Now we see what SDW's strategy is for staying "right-wing." Discount anything, no matter how factual, that doesn't jive with his imaginary 'stance.' Or maybe the real world is just too complicated for little SDW. There's nothing right or left about realizing that Rumsfeld has been making mistakes. I'm sure there are plenty of right-wing republicans that are pissed at him, too. Hell, I'd be surprised if most of the sources for that article weren't republican. But for Joe "SDW" Six-Pack, that's would make life a little too complicated. Hopefully your circuits won't fry too much when you finally realize that your black and white world-view doesn't fly even with the people you pretend to identify with.
Originally posted by bunge
OK, but what about his quote? Is he wrong for speaking the truth?
His opinions are fine IMO. The stupid thing was being a tool for Iraqi propoganda. Duh, what a dumb thing to do; he should have the foresight to think about who he's giving his opinion to. If he said this on MSNBC [edit: or even Al Jazeera], it would not have been a big deal given of course that some people will invariably get bent out of shape because it differs from their opinions.
And you, Mr iBook Church. WTF do secular humanists have to do with anything? If you're just trying to get a rise out of SJO, hey, that's pretty funny, OK. But humanists are hardly the problem in your cosmological framework. All humanists are implicitly religious whether they wish to acknowledge it or not, the catechism might use different terms, but it's exactly like religion otherwise.
Are you upset with post moderns? These then become a problem, but as always not for any of the reasons of which you're cognizant. hmmm...
Wow is this muddled, SJO's worried about post war good will, iBook believes Bush is God's own vassal, SDW thinks journalistic opinion rises to the level of treason, funny how the extreme left and right tend to agree on a whole lot. The Soviets and the Chinese used to (and do) think that very same thing. HAHA...
Wow, so many people thinking without thinking.
Am I the only person that's for protecting the Kurds, and controlling the proliferation of nuclear weapons, or that remembers what the Arabs were up to before 1948 (regarding those pesky Jews?). If I cared, it might actually be hard not to get mired in the ridiculousness of opinions on AI. Leftists, rightists, and paranoiacs. You people need to slow down and consider things more carefully. War is not right or wrong for any of the reasons kicking around this place.
I think Fox was just trying to undermine MSNBC, a major competitor, by portraying their reporter as biased. I saw the interview many times. Fox News anchors were twisting what he said to make it appear worse.
When I was watching it, I was very offended that they were assuming their viewers were that stupid. But then I realized, right as I was typing appleinsider.com into my browser, that someone here would buy into this. I guess they really haven't underestimated their viewers; they are that stupid.
Has Fox even reported yet that their own reporter, GERLADO, was booted by the US MILITARY for giving away TROOP MOVEMENTS?!?! I sure don't see it on their website.
Fair and balanced.
Originally posted by Matsu
Am I the only person (...) that remembers what the Arabs were up to before 1948 (regarding those pesky Jews?).
Remind me again, what were they up to?
"Thanks, Sean. First, let me tell you where we are. We're about 122 miles sou..."
Idiot. Current OR future locations/movements are NOT the things these "embedded" goons should be saying. About the ONLY thing The Moustache That Ate Cleveland should say in regards to their location is "we're somewhere in Iraq" and leave it at that.
I hope he gets fired just on grounds of grandstanding and stupidity. It's always about him, isn't it? What HE'S eating, what HE'S wearing, how HE'S dealing with the elements, etc.
Pinhead. I can't stand Rivera. Today has been a good day for some of us: that asshole Arnett gets fired and Geraldo gets his silly ass booted.
Am I dreaming?
Originally posted by pscates
Allow me to chime in that Geraldo is also an idiot. I saw his report to Sean and Alan on Friday's "Hannity & Colmes" and I was AMAZED that the first thing out of Geraldo's mouth, after Hannity welcomed him to the show was this:
"Thanks, Sean. First, let me tell you where we are. We're about 122 miles sou..."
Idiot. Current OR future locations/movements are NOT the things these "embedded" goons should be saying. About the ONLY thing The Moustache That Ate Cleveland should say in regards to their location is "we're somewhere in Iraq" and leave it at that.
I hope he gets fired just on grounds of grandstanding and stupidity. It's always about him, isn't it? What HE'S eating, what HE'S wearing, how HE'S dealing with the elements, etc.
Pinhead. I can't stand Rivera. Today has been a good day for some of us: that asshole Arnett gets fired and Geraldo gets his silly ass booted.
Am I dreaming?
I never really liked the guy either. I heard that one of CNN's reporters did the same thing. Does anyone know anything about that?
{edit: forgot a word}
Originally posted by /mandolux/
...you guys shouldn't be surprise by Peter Arnett's behavior - he has done this kind of screw-up before. He was once a great reporter for CNN until the Tailwind controversy (does any of you remember this?).
I certainly don't know about the great reporter part, but I do remember the Tailwind controversy. My father's unit was among those accused of dropping the nerve agents. Since they had no equipment whatsoever for properly handling any of the materials that they were accused of dropping, the story is either completely false, or my father is dead. (Here's a hint, dad's not dead.)
As a broadcasting student, I can assure you that had any of my classmates tried to pull something like that, they would've received an F at the least, and been expelled for academic dishonesty at the worst.
In the days of journalistic integrity he never would've worked in mass communications again, but ratings rule all now and he managed to scrape together a second or third chance.
I can only hope that this is the final nail in the coffin of his career, leaving the broadcasting world a little cleaner, and a little more credible.
Now... Geraldo... well that's 2 down.
Originally posted by Scott
News flash y'all ... Arnett is a US citizen.
cool, put him on trial and loose your last remaining decency...
Originally posted by Scott
News flash y'all ... Arnett is a US citizen.
Is he? Well, this means that he can be charged with treason. Even though I'm quite happy with the impression that his career is over, I don't think this qualifies as treason. It's not as if he's posing with an Iraqi anti-aircraft crew or giving notes to Iraqi guards that had been entrusted to him by our POWs to take home. Now THAT would be treason.
(Bonus points for the first person to figure out who I'm talking about as an example of truly treasonous behaviour.)
This is, really, war. It's not a turkey-shoot. It's not some misadventure. And we're not at the two week mark yet.
Can we stop the postmortems already? Peter Arnett is already declaring this thing a failure on Iraqi television. And that's a damn shame, because I live my life in constant need of approval from Peter Arnett...
Arnett is a fool and he deserves to be unemployed. MSNBC put him in front of a camera and he used that opportunity to run his mouth about that which he has absolutely no knowledge. I hate it when people climb up on a perfectly good soapbox and then waste my time.
Originally posted by zaphod_beeblebrox
This marine says it best:
Arnett is a fool and he deserves to be unemployed. MSNBC put him in front of a camera and he used that opportunity to run his mouth about that which he has absolutely no knowledge. I hate it when people climb up on a perfectly good soapbox and then waste my time.
he might be a fool, he is also a pullitzer prize winner. For another "liberation" he covered. Remeber that quote about having to "bomb the whole village to liberate it"?
Originally posted by New
he might be a fool, he is also a pullitzer prize winner. For another "liberation" he covered. Remeber that quote about having to "bomb the whole village to liberate it"?
So? Comparing his Vietnam work to this latest controversy only invites the suspicion that even then he was simply presenting a personal, biased perspective. It may have served him well then (even a blind squirrel finds some nuts) but it has led him astray since. And it's NOT journalism.