Apple turns macOS up to 11 - or to 10.16

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in General Discussion edited June 2020
The new macOS Big Sur was unexpectedly shown in Apple's keynote as being version 11.0, but the version developers are getting is still being called 10.16.

Craig Federighi showed us how About This Mac says macOS Big Sur is version 11.0
Craig Federighi showed us how About This Mac says macOS Big Sur is version 11.0


It's only a version number, but it's a significant one -- and unusually confusing. Where there was much speculation over what Apple's new macOS would be named, there was none about the number. It was going to be macOS 10.16, until it wasn't. And then until it might be again.
Shown on screen during the WWDC 2020 keynote, macOS Big Sur was clearly identified as being macOS 11.0. While it wasn't remarked upon during the presentation, it was noticeable because it signifies Apple's first break from the numbering it has used since March 2001.

That was when what was then called Mac OS X was released as version 10.0, replacing the old Mac OS 9. It was a line drawn under the old, classic Mac as it had fundamentally been since the machine's first release in 1984. It was a line that marked the start of the new, modern OS X.

Fifteen versions of this followed, with Apple sticking to the version 10 number even as it passed version 10.9, Mavericks, in 2013. So Big Sur's move to version 11 is big, and perhaps fitting of such a major release which comes alongside the start of the move to Apple Silicon.

Which is it for macOS Big Sur, Apple? On stage, the About window said macOS 11, but when I went to download it, it's macOS 10.16. pic.twitter.com/u1BmhF1Fcr

-- Jeremy Horwitz (@horwitz)


However, developers who have now received the first beta version of macOS Big Sur to test, report that it identifies itself as macOS 10.16.

There is speculation that version 11 represents the edition of macOS Big Sur that has been produced for the new Apple Silicon system. That would fit with how its number was shown on screen during Craig Federighi's presentation about Apple Silicon.

"I'm just going to open up 'About This Mac'," he said during the demonstration, "and what you see here is that we are running on our Apple Development Platform... Now, I have a confession to make. This isn't the first time you've seen Mac OS running here."

"In fact," he continued, "this is the same Mac that Beth [Dakin, Safari Software Engineer] and I used to demo all the new Big Sur features earlier."

State of the platform

Adding further fuel to the discussion fire, at the State of the Platform presentation after the keynote, Apple engineers explicitly referred to MacOS Big Sur as "macOS 11."

Comments

  • Reply 2 of 13
    It’s been confirmed in the State of the Union that it will be version 11.
    jony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 13
    kennmsrkennmsr Posts: 100member
    It might be MacOS 11.0 because it’s running on a A12Z Bionic Computer not on a standard Intel system which would then be MacOS 10.16
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 13
    rcfarcfa Posts: 1,124member
    macOS 11 is pretty useless. Eleven? that’s a tiny step not a giant leap, and it correlates to nothing.

    If they had wanted to get rid of the 10.x Scheme, they could just have called it macOS 16, but retained logical continuity.

    Or they could have called it macOS 20, in line with the Darwin kernel and emphasize the leap forward by multiplying 10 by 2.

    Or macOS 14 to sync up to iOS etc.

    But now it looks like the outdated inferior version of iOS, sort of a little better than watchOS...
  • Reply 5 of 13
    kpomkpom Posts: 660member
    My guess is that it was either a last-minute change, or more likely, Apple didn’t want stats of browsers running “macOS 11” before the keynote, so had the initial builds labeled as 10.16.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 13
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,733member
    If the OS goes to 11 that’s one bigger bigger than 10.  
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 13
    XedXed Posts: 2,823member
    rcfa said:
    macOS 11 is pretty useless. Eleven? that’s a tiny step not a giant leap, and it correlates to nothing.

    If they had wanted to get rid of the 10.x Scheme, they could just have called it macOS 16, but retained logical continuity.

    Or they could have called it macOS 20, in line with the Darwin kernel and emphasize the leap forward by multiplying 10 by 2.

    Or macOS 14 to sync up to iOS etc.

    But now it looks like the outdated inferior version of iOS, sort of a little better than watchOS…
    Moving from a cardinal number they've been using for 2 decades to another cardinal number is a big move. Will you be complaining about Apple's market cap being no big deal when they move from $1 trillion to $2 trillion because it's only one number higher?
    superklotonfahlmanjony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 13
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,452member
    rcfa said:
    macOS 11 is pretty useless. Eleven? that’s a tiny step not a giant leap, and it correlates to nothing.

    If they had wanted to get rid of the 10.x Scheme, they could just have called it macOS 16, but retained logical continuity.

    Or they could have called it macOS 20, in line with the Darwin kernel and emphasize the leap forward by multiplying 10 by 2.

    Or macOS 14 to sync up to iOS etc.

    But now it looks like the outdated inferior version of iOS, sort of a little better than watchOS...
    Imagine getting this worked up over a number. It makes perfect sense to me, and none of your suggestions do. 
    lamboaudi4superklotonjony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 13
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,449member
    If they do spilt intel build as 10.16 and Apple Silicon build as 11.0 then I wonder if over the 2 year transition 10.17 or 10.18 might not be feature aligned to the AS builds?

    Would make sense the 11 builds are going to have hardware support the 10 builds can't rely on.
    Plus it then makes platform specific code a version number check for the complier.
    edited June 2020 watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 13
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Xed said:
    rcfa said:
    macOS 11 is pretty useless. Eleven? that’s a tiny step not a giant leap, and it correlates to nothing.

    If they had wanted to get rid of the 10.x Scheme, they could just have called it macOS 16, but retained logical continuity.

    Or they could have called it macOS 20, in line with the Darwin kernel and emphasize the leap forward by multiplying 10 by 2.

    Or macOS 14 to sync up to iOS etc.

    But now it looks like the outdated inferior version of iOS, sort of a little better than watchOS…
    Moving from a cardinal number they've been using for 2 decades to another cardinal number is a big move. Will you be complaining about Apple's market cap being no big deal when they move from $1 trillion to $2 trillion because it's only one number higher?
    Fist bump. 
    jony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 13
    jabohnjabohn Posts: 587member
    It's going to be macOS 11. The first beta just had a placeholder. It happens almost every year - even last year some parts of the first Catalina beta still said Mojave because the name was not shown to anyone until the presentation. Ditto this year for the version number.
    fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 13
    doozydozendoozydozen Posts: 539member
    eriamjh said:
    If the OS goes to 11 that’s one bigger bigger than 10.  
    “But why not just make 10 louder?”
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 13
    fahlmanfahlman Posts: 740member
    rcfa said:
    If they had wanted to get rid of the 10.x Scheme, they could just have called it macOS 16, but retained logical continuity.
    What is logical about going from 10.15.5 to 16.0.0?
    fastasleepwatto_cobra
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