People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
1. "People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed." Not even close to being true. 85% of the commenters here agree with everything Apple does. A big chunk of those have an irrational seething hatred against anyone and everyone who can be construed as a competitor or looks out for their own interests instead of kowtowing to Apple's every demand no matter how unreasonable or hypocritical such as Apple's various creative ways to try to wiggle around issues with other companies' IP when they enforce their own IP against everyone else with an ironclad fist.
2. "if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+." Which did not exist at the time. In fact at that time Apple hadn't made a final decision on launching TV+ at all. It was one of the reasons why TV+ launched with so little content. (There were others but recounting that winding road would be very long and not relevant to the main discussion.)
3. "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!" No, that is very illegal. Granted, I know what you likely meant but that is still illegal.
4. "People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work." Hmmm ... even were that true, no more - and no different - from the sound and fury that you direct at each and every Apple competitor, in many cases for doing the very same things that Apple does all the time (for example, appropriating ideas from competitors). But no. This is what is actually going on.
A) Developers - most of them independent/small/struggling - are looking for more ways to make money on the iOS and iPadOS platforms that are critical for their survival. Many of them find the callousness of Apple advocates to their plight - when it was said developers' clear preference for iOS over Android and Windows Mobile that gave Apple such a massive advantage over the other platforms (one that Google was only able to barely and eventually overcome with massive market share and Microsoft couldn't overcome at all even after buying Nokia) to be appalling. From their perspective, Apple used them to go from being a moderate-sized tech company to the most profitable company in US (and one of the most profitable ones in global) history in less than 10 years, in the process created a new tech landscape dominated by them where there are no real alternatives (this longtime Apple developer points out that Tim Cook's claim that prior to the app store buying CDs from retail stores was the primary way to distribute software is 100% false and he is totally right as the App Store wasn't even the first widely used app store!) and now couldn't be bothered with them now that they aren't needed anymore because of their dominant revenue position. His argument is that the current way that Apple runs the app store heavily favors the large companies and big players. Before you say "of course that is the way it should be" ... remember that it was the trendy apps from smaller independent developers that made the iPhone and iPad "water cooler conversation cool" and gave it the key edge that it needed over Microsoft and Google to begin with. Developers would brag about how great it was not having to make software for Windows anymore and how they would never port their apps to Android no matter how much money it cost them because they hated Android and the people who bought their devices. Now the very people - as a class/group, not individuals - who played a huge role in the iPhone/iPad's rise to begin with by making them the cool and hip option to Microsoft's squareness and Android's seediness - are having real problems that there are no answers for.
The political mood on the left is that tech companies have gotten too big, powerful and profitable. The problem is that tech companies have for the most part studied antitrust law i.e the mistakes of the likes of Standard Oil, AT&T and Microsoft and come up with ways to get so massive and powerful without breaking existing antitrust laws. So right now the search is on for ways to justify "breaking up big tech" so they can pass laws down the line to get it done. Truthfully, their real target isn't Apple. Their real targets are A) Facebook and Google because they blame them for how the 2016 election turned out, reasoning that the answer is to make sure that no single company has that type of power in the first place and Amazon because of their effect on unions. However, were they to target those 3 while leaving the biggest tech company in the world totally exempt would make them look transparent. So the whole argument against Apple was "made up" as an attempt to avoid accusations of playing favorites. (Note that pretty much none of the rants against "big tech" that you see in the lefty online sites mention Apple. The reason is that those rants are being written on MacBook Airs and iPad Pros. None of them use Android or ChromeOS products, all the "cool kids" like them left Facebook ages ago and they believe that everyone left on Facebook are 50 year old right wingers from Texas and Kansas in their opinion, and Amazon just replaced Wal-Mart as the preferred target of the labor movement.) And note that Microsoft - more profitable than influential than Google actually is, a much bigger market share than Apple has and is best positioned to take advantage of any action against Google or Amazon - isn't being mentioned at all! So seriously, if there is a way to just "get Google and Facebook" because Hillary Clinton lost and "get Amazon" on behalf of unions everyone would be fine with that. Apple is not the real target. These people love Apple, their culture and especially their products. It is just that they had to throw in Apple too because if they hadn't that would have been Google/Amazon/Facebook's first line of defense ... "what about Apple they are bigger than all of us combined!?!?"
Because of this all Apple has to do is to avoid playing into their critics' hands. Unfortunately that is precisely of what they are doing right now, which is why even a number of sites that are just as pro-Apple as this one state that Apple needs to change their argument and strategy and fast.
Isn't lying to Congress a crime? If Cook is saying they treat everyone the same then that seems to be a pretty egregious lie.
Treat everyone the same means same rule apply to everyone, which means if your application has as many audiences as Amazon Prime has, your app would be treated the same as Amazon Prime.
Yep. They don't treat everyone the same. They just have everyone follow the same rules that treat different people differently based on their situation. I'm ok with that since that is the way the world always works... It would be nice if they admitted it, embraced it, and tried harder to make everyone happy as possible despite this.
It would have been nice if congress would have let Tim explain himself when asked this instead of just wanting a yes/no answer and cutting him off mid-response. There was most likely more the story but they didn't want to hear it. They just wanted yes or no which doesn't necessarily answer the question.
So any restaurant wants to do a special for the local Fire Department or Teachers need to check with Democrats now because they are not selling burgers at the same price? The customers can chose to walk away from restaurant or App store if they don’t like the policies but don’t try to regulate free market!
Anyone watching the Democrat congressman interrogating Amazon and Apple
CEOs? Democrats are hilarious , how about you idiots stop your people from looting , rioting and burning court houses first before you worry about the great companies like @Apple and @Amazon? Which are 1000 times better run then these politicians
Isn't lying to Congress a crime? If Cook is saying they treat everyone the same then that seems to be a pretty egregious lie.
Treat everyone the same means same rule apply to everyone, which means if your application has as many audiences as Amazon Prime has, your app would be treated the same as Amazon Prime.
Yep. They don't treat everyone the same. They just have everyone follow the same rules that treat different people differently based on their situation. I'm ok with that since that is the way the world always works... It would be nice if they admitted it, embraced it, and tried harder to make everyone happy as possible despite this.
The issue with that is...you're never gonna make everyone happy. There will always be a bunch of developers who thinks another developer or set of developers are being favored for one reason or another.
Developers also need to realize Apple runs these stores on multi-billion data centers which are free by any means to not only setup, but also maintain on a daily basis. Most of the apps are little to no charge on the app store so Apple gets very little in the end. Now we don't know this for sure, but I doubt Apple is making significant amounts of money off the app store as a whole after you factor in operation costs of running the store. Does this mean Apple should rip off developers? No, but at the same time lets not make it look like Apple is massively profiting from this either.
People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
1. "People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed." Not even close to being true. 85% of the commenters here agree with everything Apple does. A big chunk of those have an irrational seething hatred against anyone and everyone who can be construed as a competitor or looks out for their own interests instead of kowtowing to Apple's every demand no matter how unreasonable or hypocritical such as Apple's various creative ways to try to wiggle around issues with other companies' IP when they enforce their own IP against everyone else with an ironclad fist.
2. "if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+." Which did not exist at the time. In fact at that time Apple hadn't made a final decision on launching TV+ at all. It was one of the reasons why TV+ launched with so little content. (There were others but recounting that winding road would be very long and not relevant to the main discussion.)
3. "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!" No, that is very illegal. Granted, I know what you likely meant but that is still illegal.
4. "People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work." Hmmm ... even were that true, no more - and no different - from the sound and fury that you direct at each and every Apple competitor, in many cases for doing the very same things that Apple does all the time (for example, appropriating ideas from competitors). But no. This is what is actually going on.
A) Developers - most of them independent/small/struggling - are looking for more ways to make money on the iOS and iPadOS platforms that are critical for their survival. Many of them find the callousness of Apple advocates to their plight - when it was said developers' clear preference for iOS over Android and Windows Mobile that gave Apple such a massive advantage over the other platforms (one that Google was only able to barely and eventually overcome with massive market share and Microsoft couldn't overcome at all even after buying Nokia) to be appalling. From their perspective, Apple used them to go from being a moderate-sized tech company to the most profitable company in US (and one of the most profitable ones in global) history in less than 10 years, in the process created a new tech landscape dominated by them where there are no real alternatives (this longtime Apple developer points out that Tim Cook's claim that prior to the app store buying CDs from retail stores was the primary way to distribute software is 100% false and he is totally right as the App Store wasn't even the first widely used app store!) and now couldn't be bothered with them now that they aren't needed anymore because of their dominant revenue position. His argument is that the current way that Apple runs the app store heavily favors the large companies and big players. Before you say "of course that is the way it should be" ... remember that it was the trendy apps from smaller independent developers that made the iPhone and iPad "water cooler conversation cool" and gave it the key edge that it needed over Microsoft and Google to begin with. Developers would brag about how great it was not having to make software for Windows anymore and how they would never port their apps to Android no matter how much money it cost them because they hated Android and the people who bought their devices. Now the very people - as a class/group, not individuals - who played a huge role in the iPhone/iPad's rise to begin with by making them the cool and hip option to Microsoft's squareness and Android's seediness - are having real problems that there are no answers for.
The political mood on the left is that tech companies have gotten too big, powerful and profitable. The problem is that tech companies have for the most part studied antitrust law i.e the mistakes of the likes of Standard Oil, AT&T and Microsoft and come up with ways to get so massive and powerful without breaking existing antitrust laws. So right now the search is on for ways to justify "breaking up big tech" so they can pass laws down the line to get it done. Truthfully, their real target isn't Apple. Their real targets are A) Facebook and Google because they blame them for how the 2016 election turned out, reasoning that the answer is to make sure that no single company has that type of power in the first place and Amazon because of their effect on unions. However, were they to target those 3 while leaving the biggest tech company in the world totally exempt would make them look transparent. So the whole argument against Apple was "made up" as an attempt to avoid accusations of playing favorites. (Note that pretty much none of the rants against "big tech" that you see in the lefty online sites mention Apple. The reason is that those rants are being written on MacBook Airs and iPad Pros. None of them use Android or ChromeOS products, all the "cool kids" like them left Facebook ages ago and they believe that everyone left on Facebook are 50 year old right wingers from Texas and Kansas in their opinion, and Amazon just replaced Wal-Mart as the preferred target of the labor movement.) And note that Microsoft - more profitable than influential than Google actually is, a much bigger market share than Apple has and is best positioned to take advantage of any action against Google or Amazon - isn't being mentioned at all! So seriously, if there is a way to just "get Google and Facebook" because Hillary Clinton lost and "get Amazon" on behalf of unions everyone would be fine with that. Apple is not the real target. These people love Apple, their culture and especially their products. It is just that they had to throw in Apple too because if they hadn't that would have been Google/Amazon/Facebook's first line of defense ... "what about Apple they are bigger than all of us combined!?!?"
Because of this all Apple has to do is to avoid playing into their critics' hands. Unfortunately that is precisely of what they are doing right now, which is why even a number of sites that are just as pro-Apple as this one state that Apple needs to change their argument and strategy and fast.
Holy shit you write a lot without ever saying anything. You know you can sum all that up in 2 sentences, right?
Amazon is hardly 'a developer' for cripes sake, they are the largest online store in the world I would imagine. Not to mention Apple allowed their streaming service which competes with Apple's and that is good.
People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
You really can't see the problem? That potential conflict?
Apple can do what it wants. Of course.
But someone could come along and say 'this is abusive or harming competition' and depending on who says that, Apple won't be able to do what it wants.
I didn't say the government wouldn't stick their nose where it doesn't belong. The government WAS NOT made to regulate businesses. This is what's hurting America today.
I SAID: "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!"
Which I 100% stand by. You're just looking for excuses to advance Huaweis crappy knockoffs.
People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
[A load of pro-knockoff, anti-Apple nonsense]
You're the guy who thinks the media works for Apple. I also destroyed you in the Samsung thread. Plenty other posters have destroyed you by using facts and logic. Try elsewhere you lost on this forum.
People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
1. "People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed." Not even close to being true. 85% of the commenters here agree with everything Apple does. A big chunk of those have an irrational seething hatred against anyone and everyone who can be construed as a competitor or looks out for their own interests instead of kowtowing to Apple's every demand no matter how unreasonable or hypocritical such as Apple's various creative ways to try to wiggle around issues with other companies' IP when they enforce their own IP against everyone else with an ironclad fist.
2. "if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+." Which did not exist at the time. In fact at that time Apple hadn't made a final decision on launching TV+ at all. It was one of the reasons why TV+ launched with so little content. (There were others but recounting that winding road would be very long and not relevant to the main discussion.)
3. "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!" No, that is very illegal. Granted, I know what you likely meant but that is still illegal.
4. "People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work." Hmmm ... even were that true, no more - and no different - from the sound and fury that you direct at each and every Apple competitor, in many cases for doing the very same things that Apple does all the time (for example, appropriating ideas from competitors). But no. This is what is actually going on.
A) Developers - most of them independent/small/struggling - are looking for more ways to make money on the iOS and iPadOS platforms that are critical for their survival. Many of them find the callousness of Apple advocates to their plight - when it was said developers' clear preference for iOS over Android and Windows Mobile that gave Apple such a massive advantage over the other platforms (one that Google was only able to barely and eventually overcome with massive market share and Microsoft couldn't overcome at all even after buying Nokia) to be appalling. From their perspective, Apple used them to go from being a moderate-sized tech company to the most profitable company in US (and one of the most profitable ones in global) history in less than 10 years, in the process created a new tech landscape dominated by them where there are no real alternatives (this longtime Apple developer points out that Tim Cook's claim that prior to the app store buying CDs from retail stores was the primary way to distribute software is 100% false and he is totally right as the App Store wasn't even the first widely used app store!) and now couldn't be bothered with them now that they aren't needed anymore because of their dominant revenue position. His argument is that the current way that Apple runs the app store heavily favors the large companies and big players. Before you say "of course that is the way it should be" ... remember that it was the trendy apps from smaller independent developers that made the iPhone and iPad "water cooler conversation cool" and gave it the key edge that it needed over Microsoft and Google to begin with. Developers would brag about how great it was not having to make software for Windows anymore and how they would never port their apps to Android no matter how much money it cost them because they hated Android and the people who bought their devices. Now the very people - as a class/group, not individuals - who played a huge role in the iPhone/iPad's rise to begin with by making them the cool and hip option to Microsoft's squareness and Android's seediness - are having real problems that there are no answers for.
The political mood on the left is that tech companies have gotten too big, powerful and profitable. The problem is that tech companies have for the most part studied antitrust law i.e the mistakes of the likes of Standard Oil, AT&T and Microsoft and come up with ways to get so massive and powerful without breaking existing antitrust laws. So right now the search is on for ways to justify "breaking up big tech" so they can pass laws down the line to get it done. Truthfully, their real target isn't Apple. Their real targets are A) Facebook and Google because they blame them for how the 2016 election turned out, reasoning that the answer is to make sure that no single company has that type of power in the first place and Amazon because of their effect on unions. However, were they to target those 3 while leaving the biggest tech company in the world totally exempt would make them look transparent. So the whole argument against Apple was "made up" as an attempt to avoid accusations of playing favorites. (Note that pretty much none of the rants against "big tech" that you see in the lefty online sites mention Apple. The reason is that those rants are being written on MacBook Airs and iPad Pros. None of them use Android or ChromeOS products, all the "cool kids" like them left Facebook ages ago and they believe that everyone left on Facebook are 50 year old right wingers from Texas and Kansas in their opinion, and Amazon just replaced Wal-Mart as the preferred target of the labor movement.) And note that Microsoft - more profitable than influential than Google actually is, a much bigger market share than Apple has and is best positioned to take advantage of any action against Google or Amazon - isn't being mentioned at all! So seriously, if there is a way to just "get Google and Facebook" because Hillary Clinton lost and "get Amazon" on behalf of unions everyone would be fine with that. Apple is not the real target. These people love Apple, their culture and especially their products. It is just that they had to throw in Apple too because if they hadn't that would have been Google/Amazon/Facebook's first line of defense ... "what about Apple they are bigger than all of us combined!?!?"
Because of this all Apple has to do is to avoid playing into their critics' hands. Unfortunately that is precisely of what they are doing right now, which is why even a number of sites that are just as pro-Apple as this one state that Apple needs to change their argument and strategy and fast.
Holy shit you write a lot without ever saying anything. You know you can sum all that up in 2 sentences, right?
He's gained that reputation. He actually BELIEVES the media has a pro-Apple bias lol.
I just wanna clarify my first comment because I admit it is confusing:
I think(my moral opinion) Apple SHOULD treat everyone fairly. MY opinion and my morals. But Apple SHOULD without interference and hatred from their own damn country, do what it wants WITH their own company. With that said, Apple has absolutely no obligation to help me, you, or any little or big guy if it chooses not too. If Apple wants to charge me 50% for whatever reason on THEIR store and Amazon 1%, that's THEIR damn decision and store to decide not mine and shouldn't be the governments either.
The government needs to stay out of businesses. They're hurting America.
Here’s a thought: let’s imagine other stores able to officially offer iOS apps where - Apple offers a “meta App Store front end” similar to Apple TV searching through Netflix er al. So that there is one front end for all stores for a consumer. - third party stores have to adhere to some standards such as ensuring App Store rules of Apple are adhered to, server uptime, update process, app description etc. all as in original Apple App Store.
the third party stores can take any cut they wish. However, Apple charges for the “meta App Store” and potential support for the third party ones.
People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
You really can't see the problem? That potential conflict?
Apple can do what it wants. Of course.
But someone could come along and say 'this is abusive or harming competition' and depending on who says that, Apple won't be able to do what it wants.
I didn't say the government wouldn't stick their nose where it doesn't belong. The government WAS NOT made to regulate businesses. This is what's hurting America today.
I SAID: "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!"
Which I 100% stand by. You're just looking for excuses to advance Huaweis crappy knockoffs.
But Apple can't do that, can it? No store can.
Government oversight is there from start to finish. What if App Store policies suddenly infringed on consumer protection laws? There are limits.
Government absolutely was made to regulate business. Its an essential part of government. From employee rights, environmental concerns, accountability, taxes, consumer protections etc.
'THEIR' store has to operate within the law and if someone takes a closer look and rules it is not operating in line with current legislation or is anti competitive, things may change down the line.
And you avoided replying to the question I posed. Can't you see a potential conflict in what has been detailed?
People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
You really can't see the problem? That potential conflict?
Apple can do what it wants. Of course.
But someone could come along and say 'this is abusive or harming competition' and depending on who says that, Apple won't be able to do what it wants.
I didn't say the government wouldn't stick their nose where it doesn't belong. The government WAS NOT made to regulate businesses. This is what's hurting America today.
I SAID: "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!"
Which I 100% stand by. You're just looking for excuses to advance Huaweis crappy knockoffs.
But Apple can't do that, can it? No store can.
Government oversight is there from start to finish. What if App Store policies suddenly infringed on consumer protection laws? There are limits.
Government absolutely was made to regulate business. Its an essential part of government. From employee rights, environmental concerns, accountability, taxes, consumer protections etc.
'THEIR' store has to operate within the law and if someone takes a closer look and rules it is not operating in line with current legislation or is anti competitive, things may change down the line.
And you avoided replying to the question I posed. Can't you see a potential conflict in what has been detailed?
This too can change if we get government out of business. Plenty of people want this. Nothing is forever and my point still stands that you should be able to do what you want with your inventions.
"Government absolutely was made to regulate business."
Nope. It's a new concept.
"Government oversight is there from start to finish."You forgot Apple invented the App Store. This is all new including these new stupid laws they wanna pass.
Government wasn't there to stop the onslaught of cheap knockoffs that undercut Apple yet they want Apple to take a loss on their OWN store?!! There's a clear agenda and interests. Why aren't our IP laws working for us?
"From employee rights" Which has made us poorer and cause us millions of lost jobs.
"Can't you see a potential conflict in what has been detailed? " Yes, it may get companies upset. Again THAT is Apple's CHOICE. Who are you to dictate what Apple does? When Apple invented the iPhone they didn't think "Motorola might get mad so let's scrap the project!" When Huawei decided to make knockoff Apple products did they think "Oh no, Apple may get mad!" AGAIN, people only praise capitalism if it hurts Apple, yet Apple is the most moral tech company of the bunch.
Imagine the craziness if the government(who has no business in business) told Wal-Mart they were making too much money and had to stock items for free or take a smaller cut from profits. Yet because this is Apple and Apple has the most haters in America, you rationalize some ridiculous reason why their hard work should not pay off, even though it affects you NONE. Does Apple tap your boss on the shoulder and ask him to cut your wages?
Again, you're finding excuses for Apple to fail so some knockoff Chinese manufacturers can destroy American inventors. Had Huawei invented the App Store.....
People here like to talk about "capitalism" only if it means Apple gets screwed. I would have said "fu** off" if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+.
What's the problem? Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store! People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work.
You really can't see the problem? That potential conflict?
Apple can do what it wants. Of course.
But someone could come along and say 'this is abusive or harming competition' and depending on who says that, Apple won't be able to do what it wants.
I didn't say the government wouldn't stick their nose where it doesn't belong. The government WAS NOT made to regulate businesses. This is what's hurting America today.
I SAID: "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!"
Which I 100% stand by. You're just looking for excuses to advance Huaweis crappy knockoffs.
But Apple can't do that, can it? No store can.
Government oversight is there from start to finish. What if App Store policies suddenly infringed on consumer protection laws? There are limits.
Government absolutely was made to regulate business. Its an essential part of government. From employee rights, environmental concerns, accountability, taxes, consumer protections etc.
'THEIR' store has to operate within the law and if someone takes a closer look and rules it is not operating in line with current legislation or is anti competitive, things may change down the line.
And you avoided replying to the question I posed. Can't you see a potential conflict in what has been detailed?
This too can change if we get government out of business. Plenty of people want this. Nothing is forever and my point still stands that you should be able to do what you want with your inventions.
"Government absolutely was made to regulate business."
Nope. It's a new concept.
"Government oversight is there from start to finish."You forgot Apple invented the App Store. This is all new including these new stupid laws they wanna pass.
Government wasn't there to stop the onslaught of cheap knockoffs that undercut Apple yet they want Apple to take a loss on their OWN store?!! There's a clear agenda and interests. Why aren't our IP laws working for us?
"From employee rights" Which has made us poorer and cause us millions of lost jobs.
"Can't you see a potential conflict in what has been detailed? " Yes, it may get companies upset. Again THAT is Apple's CHOICE. Who are you to dictate what Apple does? When Apple invented the iPhone they didn't think "Motorola might get mad so let's scrap the project!" When Huawei decided to make knockoff Apple products did they think "Oh no, Apple may get mad!" AGAIN, people only praise capitalism if it hurts Apple, yet Apple is the most moral tech company of the bunch.
Imagine the craziness if the government(who has no business in business) told Wal-Mart they were making too much money and had to stock items for free or take a smaller cut from profits. Yet because this is Apple and Apple has the most haters in America, you rationalize some ridiculous reason why their hard work should not pay off, even though it affects you NONE. Does Apple tap your boss on the shoulder and ask him to cut your wages?
Again, you're finding excuses for Apple to fail so some knockoff Chinese manufacturers can destroy American inventors. Had Huawei invented the App Store.....
You realise that only a couple of months ago governments around the world were on the verge of forcing companies to produce the necessary equipment for COVID-19 responses. Some companies actually were required to do so.
Government intervention is not new in any shape or form. It is not a new concept. Are you aware of how many civilian privately owned ships were required to serve governments during war times?
Yes, government intervention capabilities change over time to adapt to new situations, just like the issues being put on the table here.
You are free to have your own opinion but that doesn't lend it any weight.
Here’s a thought: let’s imagine other stores able to officially offer iOS apps where - Apple offers a “meta App Store front end” similar to Apple TV searching through Netflix er al. So that there is one front end for all stores for a consumer. - third party stores have to adhere to some standards such as ensuring App Store rules of Apple are adhered to, server uptime, update process, app description etc. all as in original Apple App Store.
the third party stores can take any cut they wish. However, Apple charges for the “meta App Store” and potential support for the third party ones.
Yes? No? Maybe?
There’s something there, but it potentially doesn’t solve the issue if Apple charges 30% for the “meta store” You potentially only make it worse if all third party store owners operate under Apple’s rules. And who would curate content on these stores? Who would be accepted as a store owner and who would set the rules?
With an Apple API for third parties to run their own stores (the “meta store”) Apple would at least have to force each third party store to host all their content on their own servers and only charge for the API calls at cost price + reasonable profit, or optionally use Apple’s services for additional cost.
The dilemma here is that:
- Apple has created a considerable safer ecosystem / App Store through curation, being the sole gatekeeper. - Apple has become so big that they have a monopoly; it’s not just a company anymore but a gatekeeper of mobile content for the vast majority of the planet.
Consumers benefit of the model while developers suffer a LOT.
- If Apple was small, they would have been the perfect example of the free market economy principle and a healthy example of capitalism. - Now Apple has become a giant, they actually go against the free market economy principle because they have become a “government” body on their own, having control over many variables that make up supply and demand.
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2. "if they didn't wanna join my platform and double down on TV+." Which did not exist at the time. In fact at that time Apple hadn't made a final decision on launching TV+ at all. It was one of the reasons why TV+ launched with so little content. (There were others but recounting that winding road would be very long and not relevant to the main discussion.)
3. "Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!" No, that is very illegal. Granted, I know what you likely meant but that is still illegal.
4. "People are just mad Apple is making money from their hard earned work." Hmmm ... even were that true, no more - and no different - from the sound and fury that you direct at each and every Apple competitor, in many cases for doing the very same things that Apple does all the time (for example, appropriating ideas from competitors). But no. This is what is actually going on.
A) Developers - most of them independent/small/struggling - are looking for more ways to make money on the iOS and iPadOS platforms that are critical for their survival. Many of them find the callousness of Apple advocates to their plight - when it was said developers' clear preference for iOS over Android and Windows Mobile that gave Apple such a massive advantage over the other platforms (one that Google was only able to barely and eventually overcome with massive market share and Microsoft couldn't overcome at all even after buying Nokia) to be appalling. From their perspective, Apple used them to go from being a moderate-sized tech company to the most profitable company in US (and one of the most profitable ones in global) history in less than 10 years, in the process created a new tech landscape dominated by them where there are no real alternatives (this longtime Apple developer points out that Tim Cook's claim that prior to the app store buying CDs from retail stores was the primary way to distribute software is 100% false and he is totally right as the App Store wasn't even the first widely used app store!) and now couldn't be bothered with them now that they aren't needed anymore because of their dominant revenue position. His argument is that the current way that Apple runs the app store heavily favors the large companies and big players. Before you say "of course that is the way it should be" ... remember that it was the trendy apps from smaller independent developers that made the iPhone and iPad "water cooler conversation cool" and gave it the key edge that it needed over Microsoft and Google to begin with. Developers would brag about how great it was not having to make software for Windows anymore and how they would never port their apps to Android no matter how much money it cost them because they hated Android and the people who bought their devices. Now the very people - as a class/group, not individuals - who played a huge role in the iPhone/iPad's rise to begin with by making them the cool and hip option to Microsoft's squareness and Android's seediness - are having real problems that there are no answers for.
Because of this all Apple has to do is to avoid playing into their critics' hands. Unfortunately that is precisely of what they are doing right now, which is why even a number of sites that are just as pro-Apple as this one state that Apple needs to change their argument and strategy and fast.
I didn't say the government wouldn't stick their nose where it doesn't belong. The government WAS NOT made to regulate businesses. This is what's hurting America today.
I SAID:
"Apple should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR store!"
Which I 100% stand by. You're just looking for excuses to advance Huaweis crappy knockoffs.
You're the guy who thinks the media works for Apple. I also destroyed you in the Samsung thread. Plenty other posters have destroyed you by using facts and logic. Try elsewhere you lost on this forum.
He's gained that reputation. He actually BELIEVES the media has a pro-Apple bias lol.
That picture compares equal privilege to equal opportunity. In your case, Amazon is the tall guy.
There's a great Ted Talk where the presenter explains the graphic in detail. I cannot find it.
2.) So every app returns a benefit to Apple the same as Amazon??
I think(my moral opinion) Apple SHOULD treat everyone fairly. MY opinion and my morals.
But
Apple SHOULD without interference and hatred from their own damn country, do what it wants WITH their own company. With that said, Apple has absolutely no obligation to help me, you, or any little or big guy if it chooses not too. If Apple wants to charge me 50% for whatever reason on THEIR store and Amazon 1%, that's THEIR damn decision and store to decide not mine and shouldn't be the governments either.
The government needs to stay out of businesses. They're hurting America.
- Apple offers a “meta App Store front end” similar to Apple TV searching through Netflix er al. So that there is one front end for all stores for a consumer.
- third party stores have to adhere to some standards such as ensuring App Store rules of Apple are adhered to, server uptime, update process, app description etc. all as in original Apple App Store.
the third party stores can take any cut they wish. However, Apple charges for the “meta App Store” and potential support for the third party ones.
Government oversight is there from start to finish. What if App Store policies suddenly infringed on consumer protection laws? There are limits.
Government absolutely was made to regulate business. Its an essential part of government. From employee rights, environmental concerns, accountability, taxes, consumer protections etc.
'THEIR' store has to operate within the law and if someone takes a closer look and rules it is not operating in line with current legislation or is anti competitive, things may change down the line.
And you avoided replying to the question I posed. Can't you see a potential conflict in what has been detailed?
This too can change if we get government out of business. Plenty of people want this. Nothing is forever and my point still stands that you should be able to do what you want with your inventions.
"Government absolutely was made to regulate business."
Nope. It's a new concept.
"Government oversight is there from start to finish."You forgot Apple invented the App Store. This is all new including these new stupid laws they wanna pass.
Government wasn't there to stop the onslaught of cheap knockoffs that undercut Apple yet they want Apple to take a loss on their OWN store?!! There's a clear agenda and interests. Why aren't our IP laws working for us?
"From employee rights"
Which has made us poorer and cause us millions of lost jobs.
"Can't you see a potential conflict in what has been detailed? "
Yes, it may get companies upset. Again THAT is Apple's CHOICE. Who are you to dictate what Apple does? When Apple invented the iPhone they didn't think "Motorola might get mad so let's scrap the project!" When Huawei decided to make knockoff Apple products did they think "Oh no, Apple may get mad!" AGAIN, people only praise capitalism if it hurts Apple, yet Apple is the most moral tech company of the bunch.
Imagine the craziness if the government(who has no business in business) told Wal-Mart they were making too much money and had to stock items for free or take a smaller cut from profits. Yet because this is Apple and Apple has the most haters in America, you rationalize some ridiculous reason why their hard work should not pay off, even though it affects you NONE. Does Apple tap your boss on the shoulder and ask him to cut your wages?
Again, you're finding excuses for Apple to fail so some knockoff Chinese manufacturers can destroy American inventors. Had Huawei invented the App Store.....
Government intervention is not new in any shape or form. It is not a new concept. Are you aware of how many civilian privately owned ships were required to serve governments during war times?
Yes, government intervention capabilities change over time to adapt to new situations, just like the issues being put on the table here.
You are free to have your own opinion but that doesn't lend it any weight.
You potentially only make it worse if all third party store owners operate under Apple’s rules. And who would curate content on these stores? Who would be accepted as a store owner and who would set the rules?
The dilemma here is that:
- Apple has created a considerable safer ecosystem / App Store through curation, being the sole gatekeeper.
- Apple has become so big that they have a monopoly; it’s not just a company anymore but a gatekeeper of mobile content for the vast majority of the planet.
Consumers benefit of the model while developers suffer a LOT.
- Now Apple has become a giant, they actually go against the free market economy principle because they have become a “government” body on their own, having control over many variables that make up supply and demand.
There is no easy solution to this.